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03:01
well, there's like 25 hnqs on the front page
some of them have earned onion on the respective sites
the common factor seems to be low post scores
fair enough.
additionally, Onion Knight refers to a term where Onion describes something being poor/weak and a knight the opposite, so a contradiction, you could say
or it's related to being on the front page and the total number of question views..
right.
good guess, I'd say. did you get the bulb already?
a bathtub, and no
4 mins ago, by Quill - HAT MANIAC
no mods have confirmed it, or even come to the tavern in a while
03:03
@Quill-HATMANIAC Not really. The PPCG scored quite high.
that could've been after it became a hnq though
True.
also, the only secret hats I have stumbled upon are the hairboat, odinson, onion knight, sun wukong (or whatever it was), and 007. has nothing else been spotted?
@Quill-HATMANIAC shame. hope you get one for that.
lol @ bathtub.
lol, yeah
Absolutely perfect for an inverted hat
:D
(that's literally what it was intended to be, though...)
03:06
I think it started as a bathtub - you know, Archimedes and all...
right.
Aha! I caught you @BalarkaSen :P
@Doorknob冰 doorknob -> bath tap
I bet there is a secret hat for using all of your CVs in a day..
03:07
@Quill-HATMANIAC hahaha
perfect
@JoshCrozier yeah, salty bastard hat
Nah, that's the "only downvoting" in a day hat.
03:08
I got Speedy Delivery :D Total of 17 now
I have 14.
Me too.
i want one upvote for a do-it-yourself, but can't seem to get one.
@Hosch250 high fives
Still pending gold code-golf on PPCG though, for the gold badge hat... only 7 answers away!
03:09
in Sugarcube Corner on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, 18 hours ago, by Quill
Also if you want to verify secret hats, you can go to http://winterbash2015.stackexchange.com/hat-name
I can't get that one in time, unless I go on an absolute editing spree.
in Sugarcube Corner on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, 18 hours ago, by Quill
and it'll 404 if that hat doesn't exist
I'm four votes off reversal, which would net me the gold badge and subsequent hat
I really wish i could get 007 somewheres
Cool!
I doubt I will get a gold
@NᴏᴠɪᴄᴇIɴDɪsɢᴜɪsᴇ bond, james bond.
thanks for the vote, @anonymousperson.
yeah, el dorado is kind of impossible
03:10
@David Exactly, Spectre
in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, 9 secs ago, by Quill - HAT MANIAC
SO just got the everyone gets a hat hat
I saw that 5 minutes ago
Should have said something i guess
Approaching 50k network wide hats?
Wow!
it gets much bigger every year.
@Quill seems like you can get to 1st position if you work a bit harder.
yeah, I need a few more
I don't have the skill for onion
@NᴏᴠɪᴄᴇIɴDɪsɢᴜɪsᴇ I'll catch you...
007 should be arrangeable
@David ok :D
my best bet to get to first is to get this post to 10 votes
03:15
Already voted :/
wonder why I am not getting the do it yourself yet. do you want +3 on both qn and answer? exactly exactly +3?
3 or more
You have to post both within WB
yeah, I did that
03:17
I posted both answer and question at the same time
Did you do that?
qns on 5 and ans on 3. no idea what happened.
@BalarkaSen link?
@NᴏᴠɪᴄᴇIɴDɪsɢᴜɪsᴇ wut? that's impossible.
No
You can choose to add an answer at the same time
testing a chat bug...
nope, don't think I did that. oh well!
You may have to do it that way for it to work :/
03:26
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odd
gee I wonder what comes next
oh
03:27
1
2
3
4
5
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A
B
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etc . . .
test
foo
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baz
Did that to @Quill-HATMANIAC earlier
They appear correctly for me on myself and other users.
I think it is when in image is posted in the chat.
nope, still appears correctly for me
even after a reload
Chromium 47.0.2526.73, Debian sid
03:29
yeah, if it messes up reload fixes it
ok, refresh fixed your hat size.
Does the -5 with positive score meta hat have to apply to a post made after the Bash starts?
Well, that was such a waste of energy.
@Doorknob冰 I think all hats based on things like that are post-bash-start
@Doorknob冰 I think so.
03:32
;(
my face exactly.
Does this not qualify as a bad-behavior-encouraging hat?
lol
I need +1/-1 on a meta post . . .
So annoying
It is at +4/-4 right now
PS what hat gave you your bathtub?
Hairboat's Revenge
@Doorknob冰 neat, you got that. cool.
is someone gonna get the bathtub for Onion yet or what
Did someone figure it out?
I made a good (I thought) guess, but...
@Quill-HATMANIAC I still want to find the hunger games hat. (there was a hat for all the other big movie releases.)
26 mins ago, by Quill - HAT MANIAC
in Sugarcube Corner on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, 18 hours ago, by Quill
Also if you want to verify secret hats, you can go to http://winterbash2015.stackexchange.com/hat-name
26 mins ago, by Quill - HAT MANIAC
in Sugarcube Corner on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, 18 hours ago, by Quill
and it'll 404 if that hat doesn't exist
@Quill-HATMANIAC I saw
you can type the hat links in
you could try that
If it exists, it's named something clever...
but what in the world would they call it?
archer, that kinda thing maybe
I was looking at the HTTP requests, and they give all the secret hats random IDs.. >.<
^Archimedes
They are all 6********
@JoshCrozier we know
03:40
I wish I could get 007.
I could brute force it..
@NᴏᴠɪᴄᴇIɴDɪsɢᴜɪsᴇ no, some start with 5
@JoshCrozier I already thought of that, will take 3 weeks
@Hosch250 link
Pops did say not too...
I don't want to get banned.
I think I'll try a different one.
@Hosch250 not to what?
03:42
It'll help get the 5 +5 anyway.
not to link to questions and ask for votes..
@David Set up voting rings.
@Hosch250 yah, not a good idea.
(but who says we cant ask?)
5 hours ago, by Pops
Okay, I know hats are exciting and all, but all the usual site rules still apply (re using your powers wisely, not setting up voting rings, limiting sockpuppetry, &c.)
I don't mind linking other people's posts, though, if they are truly good.
in an epic Batman voice yeah
@Quill-HATMANIAC I see what you did there :p
That doesn't mean I will link posts for anyone on demand.
I wonder if there is a secret hat for stealing an accepted answer.
03:45
maybe
@Hosch250 change a accepted to your new answer?
The other one is better.
I'm sure they would have set it up so it doesn't work for changing to your own answer, anyway.
Dishes time, see you later.
I'll post a question tomorrow.
The do-it hat arrived. After 15mins.
What a service.
well I tried 27 different hat names, nothing.
@X-27 no connection to your name
04:25
@NᴏᴠɪᴄᴇIɴDɪsɢᴜɪsᴇ how did you get the onion?
I'm not sure :/
It happened on my English.SE post
We think that it is getting a post to the first page of NHQ and under 10 votes
interesting.... sounds hard....
yeah
I got it by accident
You could get the Archimedes hat if you can figure out how-
exactly how....
not just a guess.
in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, 22 secs ago, by Quill - HAT MANIAC
How about 'The Onion Knight hat is awarded to the authors of HNQs with post scores under or equal to 15'
04:43
04:57
Secret hat totals so far:

Hairboat’s Revenge: 321
Archimedes: 3
007: 33
Odinson: 283
Sun Wukong: 10
Onion Knight: 16
so hairboat, 007, and odinson have been given out
but even though sun wukong has been verified, it hasn't been given out?
@Quill-HATMANIAC sure looks like it
05:42
Trying for 007 again with a Python answer: codereview.stackexchange.com/a/114008/34073
That is not a request for votes - just a status update.
Hey, I hope you at least read that, if the upvoter is from here.
of course I read it
You are a fast reader.
lol
you guys are making me join CR, too many of you from there, not to help.
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CR is great
upvotes and stars a plenty
sounds it.
night all.
05:46
Night.
06:03
what about in the first two hnq pages, but with less than or equal to 5 votes
06:22
@David Feel welcome :-)
@Quill-HATMANIAC Has been given out now.
I meant the archimedes for it
07:07
@Quill-HATMANIAC Hmm? Link? I was off taking a Fallout 4 break.
I was so close to getting 007 yesterday, before I even knew about this hat. The question had no comments, I got enough votes for my answer, but some dude had to comment about me answering too quickly :(
@Eran Aw.
@Pops What's so special about that game? I hear everyone in the physics chat playing that.
I dunno? I never claimed it was "so special" myself. It's a good game.
Good as in?
I'm not touching it. My productivity is too low already.
07:13
Yeah, but "know thy games".
There's a lot to do and you can play it with a bunch of different styles. But it's as glitchy as ever (on the one hand, not like I could do better, but on the other hand, it's a triple-A product from a top studio) and you're still limited by the preprogrammed dialog options. I'm kinda disappointed by the lack of weapon options, too.
07:24
Hi @Pops. Don't I deserve the Archimedes hat too? I only created the Secret Hats question on meta SE to report about Odinson being given for using the dupe hammer (which I discovered when I used the dupe-hammer power to close a question from the close votes queue, which I did in order to get the Melpomene hat). I created that question from the Android app (which got me the Field Work hat). Then my phone's battery was getting low, so I went out of bed to my laptop....@
...When I opened the door to the room where it was, my baby boy (whom you can see on my profile picture) woke up and started crying, which delayed me several minutes. Then I discovered Quill posted an answer about Odinson 15 second before I did (though he didn't add the part that the user using the gold-badge hammer also gets the hat until I commented about it).
...Well, even if I don't get the Archimedes hat, the secret hats question/answers also got me the Onion Knight, Sun Wukong, Cerro de Potosi and Do it yourself hats, so at least I got that going for me, which is nice. P.S. I wonder if I can expand this story to cover all the Winter Bash 2015 hats. There should be some hat awarded for that :)
That was you, huh? I actually wish that hadn't been posted so soon. Makes me want to give in to the "I hate Eureka/Archimedes" people next year.
But about your specific request, the wording you used in your Odinson explanation was not entirely correct.
@Pops OK, it's your call. The irony is that I was one of the "I hate Eureka/Archimedes" people last year. I think it's fun discovering the secret hats and the ways to obtain them, but I dislike hats being awarded manually. It seems somewhat arbitrary or at least lacking transparency.
It is a bit problematic. I think the lack of transparency kinda sorta worked to our advantage the first year, when people weren't banding together as much to try to "solve Winter Bash" and spoilers weren't as much of an issue. But now if we're hanging out in one chatroom and not another and then someone posts to Meta SE or somewhere else fairly public... I dunno, that hat's time may have gone.
07:46
@Pops Eureka was a bad idea from the start. It was two years ago, it was last year, is this one and probably will be the next year. Begin an hat that only some people can get, and since the criteria is pretty open to interpretation, the hat will forever be a cause of flaming and discussion between the users.
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I got it two years ago, I somehow got it last year (I never understand how was the "Who discovered the criteria for the Tardis hat" thing handled) and I don't know if I will this year. But every year that passes, I am more inclined in thinking it is a bad idea.
Already, many hat just seem to hang in front of new users (or ones on sites with very low traffic), dancing and singing "Sorry, hats are only for elite members".
Unfortunately, at this point, some people won't believe that we're retiring it, so they'll keep on trying to get it, and when they don't, they'll work on figuring out the extra trick we added ("oh, maybe you have to guess it within an hour of it showing up for the first time!") So if you don't like that hat, things are probably ruined for at least another half of a Winter Bash.
Close vote based? Yes, if we had something to close at SharePoint I would love to do that... Rep cap based? Fine, I only need to become the one that will reach it 3 times in less than a month on a site that has 36 motherboard badge awarded since its birth.
Can anyone tell me more about the Tumbleweed hat? Someone answered a question I got the Tumbleweed badge for and I accepted and he doesn't seem to be getting the hat. Does the question still have to qualify when it's answered? Or is there a time delay?
Sadly, for sites like our, some of the hat you better forget the existence.
Wait who got the Archimedes for discovering the latest two?
latest two?
The monkey one and Onion
no, posting an answer to a question qualified for the tumbleweed badge and getting accepted is enough for the weed eater
@Quill-HATMANIAC someone got the onion?
arriving hats sometimes takes time. probably that's why you don't see it?
07:59
Idk, @Derpy
@Derpy Yeah. We thought about that going in, but we figured there were many hats that were achievable by anyone, and people had been requesting more interesting triggers, so we aimed for a mix. Maybe we got our proportion wrong.
@BalarkaSen been an hour. I am not very patient ;-)
@Pops I was curious as to who was getting the archimedes hats for Onion and the Monkey one
@Pops Don't worry, Pops. It is not an --hat-- fault, the problem is with low traffic sites and rep handling. To be scaled to StackEchange, SharePoint reps scores should be multiplied by 10. Not that it would matter from a prestige viewpoint, but it would feel nice to see that 10k rep user tools.
08:02
I have made a pretty controversial answer to the MSE meta, let's see if it pans out.
@Quill-HATMANIAC So am I! Actually, rnrneverdies got credit for Sun Wukong.
how would people even guess something like Sun Wukong? this years hats are harder than the previous ones.
I know there were a bunch of guessed made about exactly how Onion Knight is triggered, (a few being mine in here), but I'm curious as to who hit the nail on the head
@Pops - I don't know if you can actually answer this one.... but...
7
Q: The Quest for the Winter Chickens of the Bash

SPArchaeologistIt is that time of the year again, winter is coming, and while all the ponies are busy hanging home-made icicles to the roofs of their houses, here we are again collecting hats and wondering about the eggs they may hide. Some of the oldest of you, my kind public, may remember an old forgotten ta...

^ care to comment?
@BalarkaSen This is a question I always had in mind. How
@Quill-HATMANIAC What I'm saying is, as far as I know, the nail's head hasn't been, uh, nailed, yet.
It's possible I just missed it but I think I read the entire transcript.
hmm
perhaps I should revise my hypotheses
@Quill-HATMANIAC what was your hypothesis?
@Derpy That's balpha's baby. I'm leaving it to him.
I made like three, but like:
The Onion is awarded to questions on Page 1 of the Hot Network Questions while under 10 points. — Quill - HAT MANIAC 6 hours ago
There we go
08:07
@Pops I guessed the Tardis one last year with a very imprecise range - something similar to "at you have to edit 5 to 10 posts at least 1 to 5 years older. The actual effective ranges were discovered later, with many test. This year, it seem that people can gues accurate ranges for hats like the Monkey King one with just one champion.
Maybe I am getting old
right.
@BalarkaSen Very close to 007 again - stackoverflow.com/questions/34283504/… - oh, the suspense
4 hours ago, by Quill - HAT MANIAC
in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, 22 secs ago, by Quill - HAT MANIAC
How about 'The Onion Knight hat is awarded to the authors of HNQs with post scores under or equal to 15'
that was my last one
I got 007 on so
@Eran there
you should be ahead of me now
@Quill-HATMANIAC Got it! Thanks :)
congrats
for 007, you need to post an answer /w no comments, 7 upvotes to a question with 0 comments, right?
08:11
parenting.stackexchange.com/questions/23361/… this has been on the HNQs since yesterday
No Onion Knight
more than 10 upvotes though
that kills the 15 theory
4
Q: Why do Heinz's Honey packets say not to give it to is children under 12 months?

KingsInnerSoulI was getting tea today and noticed those cute little honey packets made by Heinz. At the bottom of the packet it says: DO NOT FEED TO CHILDREN UNDER 12 MONTHS OLD - why?

I just realizzed I will have to write an Haiku for the Chicken post too.
Also on HNQs, less than 10 upvotes
08:14
@BalarkaSen That's right about 007.
that kills the 10 theory, @Quill-HATMANIAC.
I was hoping that the Onion Knight one would have had something to do with the number 12
thats 4th page
this guy is > 13, has onion knight
but it could be that they upvoted after getting the hat
The 10 theory might just work.
The onion knight has a stat growth of 12 in each stat, starting from level 92, which is the highest in the game.
08:18
^ it might 12 then
I think I wrote 15 somewhere
there must also be some time range constraint.
not just that, or many meta posts would have earned it
can't be meta and hnq IIRC
@Quill-HATMANIAC Why would they exclude the SE Meta site? it would be very lame for many users. There is no way I could get +12 on SharePoint....
08:21
oh
I meant individual metas not meta.se
ok, that is more realistic.
i got the heart on the wb page <3
@Quill-HATMANIAC did you do something strange?
or just waited?
just waited
08:46
is there a relatively easy way to install the stackexchange android app? it seems too much of a trouble, wondering if the 2 hats are really worth it.
yes, 2 hats.
@BalarkaSen I always wondered how the test is made. Does it just check the agent string?
which test?
How the platform recognizes that you are using the app? a different api? A cookie? A different user agent string?
08:53
how the hell would i know lol
Was more of a rhetoric question.
fair enough. i am just another person from math.se, you should ask that in meta.se or something.
And.... the konami code does nothing, like every year.
Even on the one meta pages that still support it, no hat awarded. ;_;
(btw, no offense @Pops, but with "harder hats trigger" I think many meant things like this one example above - using konami code, posting an haiku.... not just increased rep or privilege requirements. I know it is a lot harder to do, but please... consider doing something this weird for a change next year - at least for an hat or two)
maybe I can get the explorer hat from a different site
bicycles.se is perfect: gonna ask about the strategic outcomes of using a bicycle with wheels having uncountably many teeth in a mountain biking trip.
exactly my type.
09:18
@pops - asking here since you seem to be around.
Has the staff every considered giving each badge a flavor image to be displayed on the badge page?
not on the badge list, just on the badge explanation one.
^ this one, to be more precise.
Nothing too elaborate, just simple pictures to make the badges feel more like a game achievement than a colored dot.
Derpy's trying his best
Finding the hats he dreams of
Onion, you tormentor
what's the maximal number of votes one can cast per day?
40, but only if within the first 30 you vote on 10 questions
Someone correct me if I'm wrong on that strange rule with the extra votes for questions
the 250 vote hat must be easy then. not gonna try it anyway.
@Quill-HATMANIAC It is valid only if it is in Japanese.
ユニコーンは
雪にきらめく
の冬の兆候

Yunikōn wa
yuki ni kirameku
no fuyu no chōkō

The Unicorn
glittering in snows
sign of winter
09:27
136
Q: What are the limits on how I can cast, change, and retract votes?

jjnguyWhat limits are there on how I can vote? How often can I vote? How do my votes become locked/unlocked? Return to FAQ index

@BalarkaSen you need to be persistent, and get close to the cap almost every day for 7 days in a row. I wouldn't call it easy (unless you robo-down/upvote without actually reading the posts you are voting on, which would be bad).
I am trying it on Worldbuilding and that's a lot of reading and voting
just upvote previously highly voted questions.
no ethical queasiness + easily done.
i have like 7 favorite tags. i'd just grab one each day and upvote highly voted qns like mad.
not gonna do it anyway, 'cause I'm lazy. anyone who wants to might try that.
09:49
Give me a minute then @Derpy and I'll give you a proper one
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Q: Is it ok to disagree in front of the kids?

GuillaumeWe have this little discussion here: Should I let my baby play with oranges? I believe that it is always better for parents to avoid disagreeing, arguing, etc., in front of the kids, especially when they're young. I thought it was basic common sense, but it seems not everyone agrees to that stat...

First page of HNQs
Currently at 300 views, 7 vote score (no downvotes), two answers
some dv will probably be required for onion knight (as well as some later upvotes).
10:15
@Quill-HATMANIAC - seem they changed the site to no longer allow hat names checks.
not really a problem.
it looks all good to me
I just wonder if the 6 secret hats are the only ones.
10:32
I hope not. They didn't last very long.
By now, I am not believing that we have secrets hats with unlock criteria different from strange vote conditions or common privilege based actions. I fear that this is it.
 
2 hours later…
12:23
@Pops My current Onion Knight theory - You have to post a question. After the question receives a critical number of views (my current guess is 500), you need to get 5 (again, a guess) new upvotes in order to obtain the hat. This is consistent with the fact that I got many votes before getting the hat on MSE, and that others got the hat for far fewer upvotes than I did. It also explains why hot questions are likely to get the hat (they get a boost of views to bring them past the ...
...500 limit, and then some of those extra views generate the required new upvotes). My 500 guess is based on the fact that I got the hat several hours before reaching 1000 views (I checked when I got the badge for that), and I'm assuming some round number is required.
Did we ever figure out whether deleted comments prevent earning 007 or not?
no
but selfies count
now I'm waiting on Weed Eater and I'll be at 20
The person whose answer to my Tumbleweed question I accepted still doesn't have the Weed Eater hat
To add to my theory, the new votes should probably come within a short period of time (not sure how short). (as Derpy suggested)
@MartinJames, um you're getting trolled bro, or you're managing to troll yourself. — Quill - HAT MANIAC 10 secs ago
is there some weird rule on Weed Eater?

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