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Secret
Secret
00:26
A very strange ligand from last night dream
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The structure is like a Cl bridge bond or a H bridge bond in electron deficient compounds, such that the upper and lower angles are > 90 (close to 140 deg) and the remaining two angles of the qudrilaterial are > 90
 
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Pritt Balagopal
Pritt Balagopal
02:53
@Secret You dream about ligands?
@Secret Have you heard about August Kekule? He had a dream about benzene and that made him discover it's structure. Maybe if you dream again, you'll get the complete picture!
Here's a mind-blowing quote by Kekule, "LET US LEARN TO DREAM, GENTLEMEN, THEN PERHAPS WE SHALL
DISCOVER THE TRUTH; BUT LET US BEWARE OF PUBLISHING
OUR DREAMS ABROAD BEFORE THEY HAVE BEEN SCRUTINIZED
BY OUR VIGILANT INTELLECT ... LET US ALWAYS ALLOW
THE FRUIT TO HANG UNTIL IT IS RIPE. UNRIPE FRUIT
BRINGS EVEN THE GROWER BUT LITTLE PROFIT; IT DAMAGES
THE HEALTH OF THOSE WHO CONSUME IT; IT ENDANGERS
PARTICULARLY THE YOUTH WHO CANNOT YET DISTINGUISH
BETWEEN RIPE AND UNRIPE FRUIT." Sorry for the all caps.
Secret
Secret
03:53
http://chat.stackexchange.com/search?q=dream&user=134719&room=3229

Kekule style dreams for me are roughly 1 dream per month
Most of the compounds however are found to be not energetically stable though
For some compounds, analogues of them can be found in the literature
pubs.rsc.org/en/Content/ArticleHtml/2015/RA/c5ra07594g
Melanie Shebel
Melanie Shebel
04:33
Hey @Loong, I see that you're lurking.
Opinion:
1,3-feeds
1,3-feeds
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Q: Temporary Suspension of the Homework Close Reason

Martin - マーチンWe have been struggling for a long time with the homework close reason. There are shortcomings to all approaches we have tried so far to change it. I believe one of the problems with this is that actually enacting a different strategy comes with the worry that it'll drastically change the dynamic...

discussion homework close-reasons
Melanie Shebel
Melanie Shebel
0
A: Prevention of unnecessary edits of old posts.

Melanie ShebelTL;DR: Google may understand the difference between sulfur and sulphur, but give better ranking to a page with better spelling, grammar, and mechanics. Also, it's easier to read a post with beter spelling and grammar. I have been doing copious editing. However, I do not typically edit for Americ...

Hello @Martin-マーチン I'm having trouble with the homework close intricacies.
How do questions like, "Help me balance this equation," with no attempt to solve or share fit within the homework policy?
Hi @pH13-YetanotherPhilipp It's been awhile!
Loong
Loong
@MelanieShebel hi
Martin - マーチン
Martin - マーチン
hi! I don't really understand your question, @Melanie.
Melanie Shebel
Melanie Shebel
If I see a question where someone just posts a homework question and wants an answer withoutgiving any thought to it, for example:
Which of these has 4 valence electrons: A, B, C, or D
Do I mark to close it because it doesn't have any thought process to it? Or do I just downvote?
Martin - マーチン
Martin - マーチン
04:43
Well, if it's just copy & paste then close it. You can also downvote it. Whatever you prefer.
Melanie Shebel
Melanie Shebel
Okay, good to know.
Martin - マーチン
Martin - マーチン
Ideally you'd leave a comment explaining the decision, that's what the experiment will kind of force you to do
Melanie Shebel
Melanie Shebel
No worries. Haha, I'm getting the ummm
Martin - マーチン
Martin - マーチン
I would advocate for more voting in general, but i had a look at the statistics, and it's currently looking quite good obn the voting front
Melanie Shebel
Melanie Shebel
idea that people don't really like my edits, haha.
How are we on stats?
I get this a lot: chemistry.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/3732/…
Martin - マーチン
Martin - マーチン
04:46
We are approaching before graduation levels again. If I find the time i'll write a state of the union address this week
Loong
Loong
@MelanieShebel I like your edits.
Melanie Shebel
Melanie Shebel
Haha
Is that why the site has been so popular lately?
Martin - マーチン
Martin - マーチン
I find them good as well
Melanie Shebel
Melanie Shebel
Okay, I hope they are good. I just tend to be a picky person so I have to keep that in check, haha.
Martin - マーチン
Martin - マーチン
I am tempted to close this as a duplicate of Editing gone wild. — Martin - マーチン ♦ 51 mins ago
We had talked about this before, but there really isn't a problem here
the homepage is not a good place to keep track of new content, it's simply not designed for that purpose
Melanie Shebel
Melanie Shebel
04:55
If that were the case, nothing would get answered on stackoverflow
Martin - マーチン
Martin - マーチン
@MelanieShebel If you need another search term, you can always fight the buzzwordy titles, and you can change any and all occurrences of "number of moles" to amount of substance. You have my complete, and unconditioned support on that. @Melanie
haha, double tag...
Melanie Shebel
Melanie Shebel
Haha
Will do. I was thinking of making a meta post asking for commonly misspelled chemistry words and such.
Don't like "number of moles"?
Martin - マーチン
Martin - マーチン
define:number of moles
doesn't work
Melanie Shebel
Melanie Shebel
Okay, here is one I see a lot. This is a new one, but I get this a lot:
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Q: How do I write a chemical equation for the reaction between a fertiliser like Maxfeed Miracle-Gro and a plant?

NaisyI need to work out how to put the chemical fertilisers into chemical equations to find out what happens when they are used with plants and potting soil? For example MaxFeed Miracle-Gro that contains nitrogen, phosphorus, potassium, sulphur, calcium, magnesium, iron, boron, copper, manganese, moly...

chemical-biology
see this a lot*
Martin - マーチン
Martin - マーチン
Welcome to Chemistry.SE! Take the tour to get familiar with this site. Mathematical expressions and equations can be formatted using $\LaTeX$ syntax. Please note that the proper term for "number of moles" is amount of substance. The former would be the same as referring to the mass as "number of kilograms". — Martin - マーチン ♦ 2 hours ago
Melanie Shebel
Melanie Shebel
04:58
Hehe
I might just rip that right off of you
Martin - マーチン
Martin - マーチン
@MelanieShebel Please, please, please, PLEASE ...
... do that
Melanie Shebel
Melanie Shebel
Haha
Martin - マーチン
Martin - マーチン
@MelanieShebel If I was a normal user, I would immediately throw an unclear VTC on that one.
as a mod, I don't want to make the unilateral decision
Secret
Secret
What ligand is typically the most unreactive (i.e. poor sigma donor, poor pi donor, poor pi acceptor, non sterically bulky, spectator, etc.) for metal complexes

I have a computational calculation involve a tetrahedral complex and I want to just change one ligand while keeping the other 3 constant. But which ligand is the closest I can get that basically act like a test object and thus its presence does not perturb the energetics of the complex significantly (e.g. not more than 50 kcalmol-1)?
I thought CO and phosphines will be simple enough but both are a good pi acceptors, thus it will not work
and I am worried halo ligands will introduce electrostatic effects
Martin - マーチン
Martin - マーチン
@Secret hang on, what?
Secret
Secret
05:05
I want a ligand such that when they are introduced to the metal, it does not do much to the resulting metal complex as if behaving like spectators, cause in a computational study I am planning to use a tetrahedral complex with 4 of these ligands as the zero baseline compound for comparing trends as I vary one of the ligands
F- will seem like a good choice because it is poor in coordinating, but M-F bonds are quite polar thus it might possibly introduce significant electrostatics
H2O might also seemed good but it can introduce intramolecular hydrogen bonding for certain ligand combinations
Martin - マーチン
Martin - マーチン
well, i'd say you should stay as close to the experimental data you have available
chlorine is usually a good choice for many things, limited backbonding, small, and it pretty much bonds with everything
Secret
Secret
Ah I see, thanks
Martin - マーチン
Martin - マーチン
05:42
chemistry.stackexchange.com/q/70088/4945 <-- needs downvotes
pH13 - Yet another Philipp
pH13 - Yet another Philipp
06:41
@MelanieShebel it’s always a while with me :D ... just ping me, if you want to talk :)
Berry Holmes
Berry Holmes
07:02
Hello everyone, can you please help me out with the comments on my answer, there's a bit of confusion going on there
chemistry.stackexchange.com/a/73881/43942 the confusion is regarding to muons (are they positive or negative)
 
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Pritt Balagopal
Pritt Balagopal
08:47
All this time, I though orthocresol's profile pic was a polar bear. It's a seal?
1,3-feeds
1,3-feeds
09:04
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Q: How do I draw chemical compounds and chemical reaction mechanisms and add it to my questions?

Pritt BalagopalLots of organic chemistry questions require the knowledge of chemical structures and reaction mechanisms. We even have a tag: reaction-mechanism for it. Here, I will address the following: How do I draw chemical compounds and reaction mechanisms? How do I post these on StackExchange? In this ...

support formatting new-users
orthocresol
orthocresol
Oct 27 '15 at 20:03, by Jan
Will the real seal squeal if we steal its meal?
orthocresol
orthocresol
09:23
@MelanieShebel chemistry.stackexchange.com/revisions/74406/2 "a priori" is a Latin phrase!
A priori and a posteriori
The Latin phrases a priori (lit. "from the earlier") and a posteriori (lit. "from the latter") are philosophical terms of art popularized by Immanuel Kant's Critique of Pure Reason (first published in 1781, second edition in 1787), one of the most influential works in the history of philosophy. However, in their Latin forms they appear in Latin translations of Euclid's Elements, of about 300 BCE, a work widely considered during the early European modern period as the model for precise thinking. These terms are used with respect to reasoning (epistemology) to distinguish "necessary conclusions from...
;)
 
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Pritt Balagopal
Pritt Balagopal
11:48
I posted a guide to new users about how to draw chemical reactions and mechanisms. Do check it out. chemistry.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/3736/…
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Q: How do I draw chemical compounds and chemical reaction mechanisms and add it to my questions?

Pritt BalagopalLots of organic chemistry questions require the knowledge of chemical structures and reaction mechanisms. We even have a tag: reaction-mechanism for it. Here, I will address the following: How do I draw chemical compounds and reaction mechanisms? How do I post these on StackExchange? In this ...

support formatting new-users
Martin - マーチン
Martin - マーチン
12:24
@PrittBalagopal 1,3-feeds was way faster than you: chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/37562344#37562344
Berry Holmes
Berry Holmes
12:49
@Martin-マーチン This user thinks someone else is using his account. Can we do something?
Pritt Balagopal
Pritt Balagopal
@Martin-マーチン Nice! What's this 1,3 feed anyway?
Berry Holmes
Berry Holmes
@Pritt 1,3 is meta in chemistry, so this is a good naming, anyway this feed collects the new questions that are posted on the child meta of Chem.SE
You can configure a feed like this if you're a room owner, there are message feeds (like 1,3 feeds) and then there are ticker feeds (that peek from the top of this chatroom)
orthocresol
orthocresol
13:48
@BerryHolmes can you please tell him to contact us or contact the CMs, we are not going to act on indirect communication
Berry Holmes
Berry Holmes
JasonC has asked him to do so on Baker Street, I don't think he has seen that mesage
orthocresol
orthocresol
OK.
Berry Holmes
Berry Holmes
:)
Pritt Balagopal
Pritt Balagopal
14:23
Wait what?
 
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1,3-feeds
1,3-feeds
15:51
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Q: How to render Angstrom and Pats per notations in MathJax?

Always ConfusedSummary: Angstrom, Parts per thousand, Parts per Ten-Thousand ......................................................................... Prior efforts: Searched Google and Detexify. Angstrom. (The letter), (the diacritic mark). The detexify (reference) tool successfully identified and gav...

support mathjax formatting
pentavalentcarbon
pentavalentcarbon
0
Q: I used acetone on the back of my monitor

WybremI used acetone on the back of my monitor to get rid of old stickers from led strips. However it severely damaged my monitor. Anyway to undo this or repair it? Pic: http://imgur.com/a/4Cmgv

everyday-chemistry plastics cleaning esolvents
ಠ_ಠ
one cannot facepalm enough
Hmm, that picture isn't even that bad...something something life lesson
orthocresol
orthocresol
You can get rid of the ugly bits by using more acetone.
If you use enough acetone, you won't be able to see them at all.
pentavalentcarbon
pentavalentcarbon
A good excuse to upgrade to a better monitor
 
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Melanie Shebel
Melanie Shebel
19:31
I agree that this is off topic, but it doesn't seem homework-y to me:
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Q: absorption radiation in NMR

Eric Chungwhat is the reason of resonant absorption by nuclear spin only with the correct frequency of EM radiation that is applied? why it is not possible for applying arbitrary EM radiation to excite the nuclei from alpha spin to beta spin?

nmr absorption
Should I stop editing?
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A: Prevention of unnecessary edits of old posts.

Melanie ShebelTL;DR: Google may understand the difference between sulfur and sulphur, but give better rankings to pages (and entire sites) with better spelling, grammar, and mechanics. Also, it's easier to read a post with beter spelling and grammar. I have been doing copious editing. However, I do not typica...

orthocresol
orthocresol
20:03
@MelanieShebel I don't think it's off-topic, to be honest.
however, the answer is incredibly complicated
Melanie Shebel
Melanie Shebel
I thought perhaps it was more physics-y
orthocresol
orthocresol
it could conceivably be within chemistry... there are concepts in NMR that explain this in a handwavy way (vector model).. a proper answer would certainly be physics though
i don't know, in the months since I vtc'd that question, my stance on questions has changed a lot :/
i think your editing is fine, if it was excessive then it would be a problem, but i don't think it's ever been excessive
a few questions here and there are OK, and everybody bumps questions from time to time, I don't really think twice before doing it
Mithoron
Mithoron
hullo
orthocresol
orthocresol
hi @Mithoron
@MelanieShebel that said, if it's just a bad answer, it's probably better to flag than to waste time editing it... sometimes, just taking out the rubbish is easier than sifting through it
Melanie Shebel
Melanie Shebel
20:58
Yeah
Honestly, I'm getting a lot of downvotes on older questions and answers and I think it's because some people don't really care for the editing, so I might step back from Chem.SE for a while.
But I have really enjoyed working with you @orthocresol @Loong @Martin-マーチン and others. :) Good times. :)
Mithoron
Mithoron
@MelanieShebel Huh? I can see only 4 downvotes on your rep data on profile
And whaat caring about editing has do do with this?
@Ezze o/
Ezze
Ezze
21:16
Hello?
Mithoron
Mithoron
@Ezze What's up?
Ezze
Ezze
I don't know, guess i am fine. Exploring this chat function, looking for rooms where there is any kind of activity
Mithoron
Mithoron
That's main room here, still not crowdy usually
@Ezze There are lots of rooms on other sites of network, you can talk on all that go from same server
Ezze
Ezze
Well yes, I am hanging out on the physics chat room too
Just it would be nice to see some people here on the chem one too
This seems like a fine platform for scientific discussion
Mithoron
Mithoron
21:36
@Ezze It's a shame there are rather few regulars here. We can discuss sth if you have some topic in mind
@orthocresol Was Mel serious?
orthocresol
orthocresol
@Mithoron I don't actually know.
Mithoron
Mithoron
T'was kinda strange
Ezze
Ezze
21:55
@Mithoron thanks for the offer, but I am about to sleep. I might hang around here a few times tho
Mithoron
Mithoron
@Ezze See you soon
Ezze
Ezze
I hope not. I want a good night sleep :)
no work in the morning
Mithoron
Mithoron
@Ezze Well not that soon, so maybe soonish ;)
Ezze
Ezze
Yeah, see you around
Melanie Shebel
Melanie Shebel
Having a rough time at school. :(
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Q: Student lied about project, no response from dean, what to do

masAn incident occurred in 2016 where a student kicked me out of a major project, lying to a lab instructor to do so. I showed text and facebook messages to the lab instructor and head professor. I reported it to the Dean of Science, never heard back. The head professor had no idea what to do. This...

ethics interpersonal-issues
Melanie Shebel
Melanie Shebel
23:01
Sorry link is gone, I deleted it and asked a different question because it was too long.
orthocresol
orthocresol
23:31
@MelanieShebel I'm not qualified to give you any advice, but if you feel that it's really hampering your ability to work properly, it might be worth considering the possibility of transferring
not telling you to do it, but the option has to be on the table, unless there are other real-life circumstances that prohibit it
and the usual disclaimer, as with personal medical questions, etc. etc. it's always going to be better to talk to somebody in real life than somebody on the internet, because from what you've written at least, it does feel like a pretty serious issue.
hopefully the folks over at Academia have something useful to say, though
:/
pentavalentcarbon
pentavalentcarbon
It appears that absorption has been co-opted for things other than its tag wiki...

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