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@gannex Hey. I believe some air, some stone, and some more air
!!flip/@Martin-マーチン
(╯°ਊ°)╯︵@Wɐɹʇᴉu-マーチン
@M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ
Teehee, couldn't flip Japanese
@Martin-マーチン ಠ_ಠ. Also hi
06:27
o/
Boooring academy awards this year...
@skullpetrol Boring academy awards every year
...I think I'm going to stop watching them.
Even Trump Bash™ wouldn't have lightened up the mood
06:42
Sheesh, seven subsequent closures. Now I need to hear something good
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Q: Hydrogen bond in H²O

user40151How many hydrogen bonds are possible H2O? 4 or 2 As Oxygen has 2 lone pair of electrons. And why HF has 1 hydrogen bonding? as HF has three lone pair of electrons.

LOL "H²O"
06:54
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A: What does teflon give on decomposition?

Khizir SiddiquiTeflon is a mono polymer. The monomer is Tetrafluoroethylene - C2F2 Pyrolysis of PTFE is detectable at 200 °C (392 °F), and it evolves several fluorocarbon gases and a sublimate. An animal study conducted in 1955 concluded that it is unlikely that these products would be generated in amounts...

Wow, correct citation
07:39
> The monomer is Tetrafluoroethylene - C2F2
Oh wait, hehe
@Martin-マーチン two is the new four
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I read it ''Teflon is a mono polymer. The monomer is tetrafluoroethylene - C2F2'' and I thought ''hey, something about this doesn't sound right''
But I decided I need some tea.
Tea is the new coffee.
Or beer for you Germans.
!!/beer
07:43
@skullpetrol You keep confusing Chemobot with Smokey
wow.... you didn't even MathJax that... !!flip/@M.A.R.
(∿°○°)∿@W˙Ɐ˙ᴚ˙
!!image/beer
@skullpetrol !!beer
07:45
@Martin-マーチン Meh, the font squishes the numbers for them to look like subscripts already
Thanks @Martin-マーチン
And my shift is broken. So.
np
@M.A.R. USE CAPSLOCK THEN
@Martin-マーチン I CAN'T USE CAPS LOCK TO TYPE A DOLLAR SIGN
@M.A.R. omg....
07:49
!!flip/$
(づ๑ʖ๑)┛︵$
!!flip/$\@M.A.R.$
( つ•̀ω•́)つ$\@W˙Ɐ˙ᴚ˙$
@Martin-マーチン I'm warning you, my flipped version says WAR
!!flip/Chembot
07:50
(╯°ਊ°)╯︵Ɔɥǝɯqoʇ
Hey, it inverts when it flips?
!!invert/Chembot
@M.A.R. You are warning me?
@Martin-マーチン I'm warming you
With this nice blanket O' great Martin
!!flip/warning
07:55
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@skullpetrol yes, it basically just maps the upside-down chars to whatever you input
i guess this was easiest for Hippalectryon to program...
(no need to ping)
I see.
okeee... need to restart pc, hopefully see y'all soon again ;)
 
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09:09
!!flip/@Mart
(づ๑ʖ๑)┛︵@Wɐɹʇ
@M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ
@Martin-マーチン ಠ_ಠ. Also hi
Also Deja Vu
3 hours ago, by M.A.R.
@Martin-マーチン ಠ_ಠ. Also hi
09:22
what else is going on?
09:40
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Q: Why is Aluminum oxide an amphoteric substance? Why aluminum oxide can not be an amphiprotic substance?

Howard  HuangWhat is the chemical reaction of aluminum oxide when it is an acid and when it is a base?( Thanks for helping me)

O.o
@Martin-マーチン Academy Awards 2017
The Salesman won an Oscar \o/
um... key.... somehow I am not interested in the oscars...
me neither...any more
@Martin-マーチン Well, are you interested in Trump?
He's prolly gonna mess up again on Wednesday
Whenever did the POTUS position turn into a clown we wait to see a gag from?
I am not interested in Trump... I am deeply troubled about him... I follow stuff only to see my death coming...
why "your" death?
09:47
@Martin-マーチン Wut
Well... okay then... our death
as in the end of the world
if anything he's digging his own grave
nuclear winter
that dude's going out with a bang
possibly
10:33
Looks like you people enjoying
 
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14:36
@Khizir Welcome to our chat
14:51
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A: Does benzene structure stand for a single resonance form or the whole molecule?

LoongI approach this question from the opposite direction. Benzene is commonly drawn as a ‘cyclohexatriene’ corresponding to the Kekulé structure, i.e. with three single bonds and three double bonds, despite the fact that the six bonds of benzene are actually indistinguishable from each other. Thi...

@MaxW Certainly, the shorthand form shown on page 380 which indicates all resonance forms of benzene by a circle is acceptable, especially to show the equivalence of the six bonds. However, the preferred style is the ‘cyclohexatriene’ structure diagram (see almost all other structure diagrams of benzene rings in that document, and “Conventionally, benzene is commonly drawn with three single bonds and three double bonds, (…)” on page 379). Anyway, the question is not about how to draw benzene; it is about how to interpret a given ‘cyclohexatriene’ structure diagram. — Loong ♦ Apr 23 '16 at 16:43
I remember when I was presenting some research in a group meeting last summer, I drew a benzene with a circle inside it.
Turned round to look at PI, who said: "We're grown-ups here, don't use the circle"...
As long as you don't draw naphthalene with circles. ;-)
> It is generally not acceptable to use curves in two adjacent fused rings, since such diagrams are at best ambiguous in terms of the character of the shared fusion bond between the two rings. If it is known that there is delocalization over only one ring in a fused ring system, a curve should be used for that ring only.
Hmm, I have used that as shorthand while taking lecture notes...
I hope that is forgivable. :)
No, it's not
Vitamin C? Om nom nom.
Jan
Jan
Nothing is acceptable! D=
Jan
Jan
@orthocresol I feel encircled …
15:52
@orth
@orth
@orthocresol : And now the question, how many \pi-electrons are present?
Altogether with the electrons contributed by Zn ...
Hey @Button! Welcome to our humble chat
For @Jan this picture ...
Even if the date does not match the current carnival ...
But regarding the "toilet bowl"-rings (quoting one of my chem proferssors) why still drawing them? I thought it were something of the 1960s ...
I always knew Ortho was from the 1960s.
Jan
Jan
15:56
I spent the afternoon watching the Rosenmontagszug of Mainz via livestream :D
But ortho/meta/para is still valid;
Jan
Jan
Another question is: do zinc’s electrons participate in resonance or not?
Good question.
Even further: is there evidence for back-donation?
Because it is not tooo far away from phthalocynanine dyes.
15:58
@M.A
I always thought that there was backdonation in porphyrin rings.
Never read, but I assumed so, simply from its structure.
My incertainty emerges from Zn 2+ being so special, in regards of a transition metal
If I remember correctly, with a complete d-shell.
Mhm
I may be wrong, as I did not read about back-donation for an awful long time...
Well, me too, but it seemed real . . .
16:02
On the other hand, if Zn donates (if counting electrons is permitted again), than the complex' ligand equally may give back.
What? I didn't get you
I was not so certain again if backdonation were of general occurence .OR. limited to certain ligands, only.
wikipedia's pi-backbonding article (English version), mentiones alkynes, alkenes, but more prominently, carbonyls, phosphines, etc.
It looks like I should return to Cotton / Wilkinson, again.
The requirement is that there must be a low-lying empty orbital of the appropriate symmetry.
For carbonyls (for example) this would be the C-O π* orbital.
Seems to be more complicated for a poly-ene, than just a carbonyl.
Thank you for the clarification on this point; revision is necessary (on my side).
Bye.
Cya
17:10
Could somebody please do me a favour?
Flag this as a duplicate of this (only if you agree, of course).
@orthocresol Now you owe me a non-digital ice cream
You've gotta come over to Oxford.
You gotta come over to Tabriz
I can drop one from a plane, next time I fly over Tabriz.
When will that next time be?
I want my ice cream now. I didn't wait to VTC as dupe while flying over Oxford in a plane.
17:14
!!icecream
Boooo
!!flip/icecream
(∿°○°)∿ᴉɔǝɔɹǝɐɯ
!!img/4-Hydroxy-3-methoxybenzaldehyde
17:18
You can make some of that and use it to flavour your ice cream.
18:10
@orthocresol Dupehammer in action ;)
18:21
@Mithoron When I search for "pyridine", I find numerous questions asking the same thing. So... ;D
 
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Jan
22:46
@Hexacoordinate-C Hm. Why not just define a lone pair as a fictional atom of atomic number 0? In that way, the coordinating entity is automatically of higher priority than a non-coordinated lone pair and different coordinating atoms are treated as intended. Or am I missing something?
@Jan So why this plus/minus?
Jan
Jan
@Mithoron I actually learnt to always label the oxidation state as $\pm0$. Because all other oxidation states are signed, that one should be, too. And also, all other oxidation states are written in Roman numerals but there is no Roman numeral zero — having something that stands out makes it clearer we are dealing with an oxidation state. All of my answers that talk about an oxidation state $\pm0$ should have that sign; if not it is a mistake on my behalf and I shall correct it asap ;) — Jan 6 mins ago
You’ve probably already seen it, but chat didn’t ;)
23:14
@Hexacoordinate-C I find the reference shown by you interesting.
And on the other hand, a bit odd.
@Jan don't define fictional things :p
security.googleblog.com/2017/02/… And now sha-1 collision lol be careful if you make a website with that !
Jan
Jan
Why not? I need to define my fictional world so I know which parts are pink, which are fluffy and which are pink and fluffy =3
Perhaps it is a "local thing" and do not know how much "Systematic Nomenclature of Organic Chemistry" by Hellwinkel is known outside German speaking chemistry is known.
Because the very section about CIP mentions an extension of the CIP rules that was not cited in the chemistry world article.
Well also it looks particularly rare to have a neutral chiral nitrogen atom
But for phosphorus why not
23:17
Hellmchen cites Prelog and Helmchen, Angewandte Chemie 1982, 94, 614; or int. Ed. 1982, 21, 567.
And his examples already includes R-Ethylmethylphosphane, with a free electron pair, and the note: H > :
And in addition, what about the numerous chiral sulfoxides from Solladie-lab in Strasbourg / France.
(Guy Solladie, to be precise).
And the ongoing collaborations with Carreno, in Spain ...
I mean, they were happy to prepare and to separate R and S -enantiomers earlier than this publication, surely already used an extended CIP-system.
The note, which page ?
Oh, the address is not visible?
The adress is but there are 3 pages
EHICS, now ECPM Strasbourg, rue Becquerel, 67.... Bas-Rin
(Using sci-hub everything is visible you know)
23:22
maybe it will be a bit too large ...
Ah, I forgot your DNS problem, maybe you can't see the picture. Desole.
My DNS problem had been solved ! :D
I asked StackExchange and Google I still don't know if they did something or not
But it works !
groans
I don't see where "H>:" is written
Or maybe I misunerstood what you wanted to say
I just posted an answer to an old question, explaining that the accepted answer is not likely to be correct. Result: The question gets bumped and the accepted answer gets upvoted more.
Same thing happens with my bounty on the Hb question. I explicitly specify that the accepted answer is wrong but it still gets more upvotes.
23:26
@orthocresol It happends
Or just "google" Guy Solladie (maybe already retired), and Francoise Colobert (more likely to continue) at ECPM Strasbourg.
"H > :" in Hellwinkel's book was to indicate that the H would be of higher priority than a lonely electron pair.
Oh
My DNS has not been solved in total
In the Orthocresol answer I can't see the last picture lol
And a lonely electron pair, in some instances, already a charge
Grrrrrrrrr
@Hexacoordinate-C I have been having some issues with i.stack.imgur.com as well.
23:29
They want to destroy my heart hum :(
Usually, a forced refresh (Shift-F5, or Ctrl-Shift-R) helps, but not always.
I ever made all tutorial on the web for my problem nothing changed
If I downvote your answer you'll be more upsed :P
I'll just hire my army of sockpuppets to downvote all of your stuff.
^ @Jan You know what to do.
keyword "botnet"
@Buttonwood thanks :)
23:32
eventually, at least as many users (aka stockpuppets) as questions. yeah ...
Make @orthocresol answers great again :P
This accepted answer has a weird 1,5-hydride shift. FAKE MECHANISM!
moves hands around randomly Nobody knows the reactions of furans better than I do.
Jan
Jan
What did I miss?
A sigmatropic reaction in organic chemistry is a pericyclic reaction wherein the net result is one σ-bond is changed to another σ-bond in an uncatalyzed intramolecular process. The name sigmatropic is the result of a compounding of the long-established sigma designation from single carbon–carbon bonds and the Greek word tropos, meaning turn. In this type of rearrangement reaction, a substituent moves from one part of a π-bonded system to another part in an intramolecular reaction with simultaneous rearrangement of the π system. True sigmatropic reactions are usually uncatalyzed, although Lewis...
Jan
Jan
Hmm, if I am a sock puppet of @ortho and @para is a sock puppet of mine, does that make @para a double sock of @ortho? Would that mean I am technically @meta?
23:36
You're a meta-sock.
Actually, no, @para is a meta-sock. A sock of a sock.
@Hexacoordinate-C syncat.org is the current web page, G Solladie gone, Colobert still there. Mme Solladie and his were other Chem groups anyway.
1.7 shift looks better haha. But well Organic Chemistry now... it's not my way, I do chemical Engineering :D
@orthocresol So there will be I- and M-effect on/with sock-puppets, too?
Jan
Jan
[1,7] sigmatropic hydrogen shifts must be antarafacial.
I just love and appriciate to see how beautiful it is :d
@Buttonwood bookmarked
23:38
@Buttonwood Further investigation is needed.
And you silently hear the electrons move, clique-claque
Jan
Jan
I think that only the @parasock would show $M$ effects. But the @metasock could show $I$ effects, too.
I prefer the Alkyne zipper that's almost Art
So, the rate is increased?
Jan
Jan
@Buttonwood Resonating backwards and forwards like the pendulum of my cuckoo clock.
23:39
Because it is more sock-puppet basic (instead of Lewis basicity...)
Yeah, an if you have to face a twelve-membered ring, coockooo ...
Sounds interesting to the song of "the good, the bad, and the ugly"
OK guys (and girl) I gonna polymerise water, see you after my Nobel Prize :-)
Good night
Jan
Jan
@Hexacoordinate-C Reading that, I assume you intend to use sonification.
ok dooku
@Jan I learn one word today :)
learned*
le quel?
23:42
sonification
Never seen earlier at the dentist, or the optician?
Jan
Jan
At least I was not completely hopeless \o/
They probably spoke about sonification … oh no wait *confused*
In Spain a company uses it for defoaming beer.
I thought it was "sonication", but I've never actually used it before.
Jan
Jan
It sounds so incredibly English to defoam a beer that I never assumed it would be done anywhere else …
!!beer
23:44
Jan
Jan
@Chemobot You’re slow. Maybe do a Siemens-reset?
Just because someone told me today maybe during the WW2 german tried to do it to escape from submarin attaks but well they didn't succeed
Not the real stuff, but a demo youtube.com/watch?v=ArQ5X-9tXGk
Jan
Jan
It is indeed sonication. Just always used Ultraschall (-bad) … ^^' O:)
To acetalize glucose with acetone ... oh I remember. Worked well only with a flat-bottom beaker.
Maybe superseeded by Luche et al, and their microwave chemistry.
Or, was it Loupy?
Was likely Loupy.

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