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03:47
@Hexacoordinate-C I need to develop a website like that!
 
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06:24
@gannex I can ask doubts related to fluid mechanics
@gannex you may have an idea
06:34
> The slide is aged using a salt solution usually consisting of 2X SSC (salt, sodium citrate).
What is the meaning of 2X?
07:40
@pH13-YetanotherPhilipp \o
Welcome back Phillipp
Well... Hail Hydra! — Paweł ♦ 1 hour ago
@M.A.R. kthxbai
:P ... how are you?
Great
No existential crises
@pH13-YetanotherPhilipp How'bout you?
Why were you away?
07:59
@M.A.R. at first, we did move in november to a new flat and it took me some time to connect my pc to the internet/power supply, as I had quite a lot else to do :D and then I had the last 2 months a little stress with my family, so there was no time to be online a lot.
but so far everything is fine over here
Yay, probably
08:57
@Martin-マーチン Oh dear! A duplicate. I thought, I searched well enough. Should I delete meta.chemistry.stackexchange.com/q/3586/24052 or should I keep it as a "short" Q&A and refer to the longer one at the end of the answer?
@mhchem Can't hurt to have it there, increases the chance to find the information.
@mhchem Nah, 'tis good
\o
Iirc we thought about rewriting the MahtJax thing completely, but that'll come a long way...
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Q: When should I write a symbol in italic type, when upright?

mhchemI sometimes get confused with scientific notation. Sometimes things are in italic font, sometimes in upright font. I know that it is $\ce{H2O}$, not $H_2O$. But is it $e$ or $\mathrm{e}$? Is it $pK_a$ or $\mathrm{pK_a}$ or something mixed?

 
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12:46
That's biomolecules, but does that applies to other reagents as well. The implication is rather big
Ok, it's actually a more specific report: leucine-rich proteoglycans
13:31
@DHMO how do I know BCL3 reacts only with 3 moles of water? ie, BCl3 + 3H2O → boric acid
@Fawad try to write an equation for reacting with more moles of water
So it is trial and error method in order to know how many moles of water it react?
@DHMO ^
@Fawad no, we do experiments to determine
I'm used to translating all Russian words mass into English words weight when doing a translation - and suddenly I discovered that genome size is determined as a mass of genome in English. Go figure.
!!IMG/3H2O
13:33
No result found.
!!IMG/3 moles of water
No result found.
@Fawad stop it
it's pointless
What we call for 3 moles of water btw ?@DHMO
"3 moles of water"
13:38
OK, BCl3 reacts with water to give boric acid , Bcl3 + 3H2O → H3BO3 + 3HCl , we call it boric acid because HCl is produced? @DHMO
no
we call H3BO3 boric acid because it gives off hydrogen ions
@Fawad I already said no
Hey @DHMO ! Are u there?
What will happen if you do hydrolysis of nitriles
@satyatech it gives carboxylic acid
Can you tell me the mechanism
13:46
Thank u @DHMO
google is your friend
14:18
@DHMO how to know in CO_3^2- carbon atom has sp2 hybridization?
No result found.
@Fawad count the number of electron densities
!!img/carbonate
@DHMO how you came up with name?
@Fawad we remember it
14:22
@DHMO in outer shell it has 8 e- now
yes
So?Why not sp3 ?
4 mins ago, by DHMO
@Fawad count the number of electron densities
1 min ago, by Fawad
@DHMO in outer shell it has 8 e- now
i mean, number of electron-dense regions
14:25
@DHMO for carbon? Then at double bond with O
Oh,there is one double bond! It is sp2 :D
Hey @DHMO it doesn't work,for example take graphite,it don't have double bond but it is sp2 hubrid
!!Img/graphite
@Fawad I said number of electron-dense regions
which is 3 for both
!!Img/graphene
No result found.
!!Img/triangulene
14:29
No result found.
!!Img/triangulene
@Martin-マーチン hey,^ some aren't shown :( example:graphene
14:31
We need to think more about surgery at the molecular level
@pentavalentcarbon what does he had to do with the lack of graphene in chembot?
He wrote Chemobot.
I see
@pentavalentcarbon chemobot takes data from chemspider.com
So in reality there probably isn't a good hit for that name.
2 mins ago, by pentavalentcarbon
Blame him: http://math.stackexchange.com/users/150347/hippalectryon
14:34
It does seem kind of odd, but if you think about it, graphene isn't a "molecule".
!!img//C60
No result found.
you can !!wiki/graphene
Graphene (/ˈɡræf.iːn/) is an allotrope of carbon in the form of a two-dimensional, atomic-scale, hexagonal lattice in which one atom forms each vertex. It is the basic structural element of other allotropes, including graphite, charcoal, carbon nanotubes and fullerenes. It can be considered as an indefinitely large aromatic molecule, the ultimate case of the family of flat polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons. Graphene has many unusual properties. It is about 200 times stronger than the strongest steel. It efficiently conducts heat and electricity and is nearly transparent. Graphene shows a large...
14:35
!!img/C60
@Secret too many //
!!Img/glucose
I wonder what the little arrows on the triangulane picture mean
!!img/C60
14:35
please test here:
@pentavalentcarbon Those are unpaired electrons. It's a biradical of some sort that live for 10 seconds

 Chemobot

Development discussion and testing of Chemobot. Possibly also ...
Ah, that's what I thought, but I wasn't sure if Chemspider was nice enough to show that sort of thing
The biradical was recently made by physicists using a AFM tip
It does seems the future of chemistry will be atomic precision surgery
(along with bioreactors an lab on a chip)
14:38
lab on a chip stuff is neat
cheap detection, etc.
and a lot less liquid waste
@Secret However, you would need about 6E23 AFM tips to make one mole of that compound. ;-)
yeah, unless the machinary is nanoscale such as one molecule devices
ಠ_ಠ
they planned to turn it into spintronics circuitry because the two unpaired electrons points with the same spin
But I am guessing, they will need a more stable analogue that live for more than 10 seconds in order to achieve that goal
14:42
is it switchable to a singlet? (I forget the word, looking it up now...)
Not sure, they have not said much about the electronics of this biradical (at least not in the sciencedaily version)
Ah, ok
The topic I was thinking of was this:
Spin Crossover (SCO), sometimes referred to as spin transition or spin equilibrium behavior, is a phenomenon that occurs in some metal complexes wherein the spin state of the complex changes due to external stimuli such as a variation of temperature, pressure, light irradiation or an influence of a magnetic field. With regard to a ligand field and ligand field theory, the change in spin state is a transition from a low spin (LS) ground state electron configuration to a high spin (HS) ground state electron configuration of the metal’s d atomic orbitals (AOs), or vice versa. The magnitude of the...
And the word I was thinking of was hysteresis
I think that's a possibility (using light or externally applied magnetic fields to excite the two electrons to more energetic spin states), though in spintronics, you can directly pass a current through the molecules to polarise the spins to certain directions
that would certainly be more ideal than applied fields
anything with an applied field would probably make a device too large, but it's easier to make tiny electronics
And cheaper.
 
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15:58
@DHMO what will happen if I add i)NBS,HV ii)H20,k2co3 to a compound 4- tert-butoxy cyclohexene
Sorry @DHMO it is not butoxy it is butyl
@gannex please answer my question
@pH13-YetanotherPhilipp
@satyatech NBS is a good brominating agent!
Please don't ping everyone at once!
Sorry
!!img/tert-butylcyclohexene
it undergoes free radial bromination!
Expect the allyl radical!
You should obtain a substitution product!
16:00
But what will k2co3 do
Sorry @Chembot wrong img
!img/4-tert-butylcyclohexene
that was my fault!
2 hours ago, by DHMO
4 mins ago, by DHMO
@Fawad count the number of electron densities
!img/4-tert-butylcyclohexene
@DHMO I didn't get your way of achieving hybridization…can you explain?
(sorry for disturbing)
@Fawad there are three electron-dense regions around the carbon!
including two single bonds and one double bond!
16:02
So?
three regions => sp2!
@satyatech chemobot is not responding!
@DHMO sir what do you think k2co3 will do
@DHMO how many dense region for so and special and spd…any general way?
16:04
@satyatech I am doubting if there would be rearrangement in the first step!
@Fawad 2 => sp! 3 => sp2! 4 => sp3!
@DHMO hey,you are also a maths student,don't use !(factorial!!)
@Fawad I don't care!
@DHMO sir how will rearrange mentioned take place only tell I will understand,
@satyatech I am not sure, but if the 3-carbon becomes a radical, maybe the quarternary carbon will give a methyl group to the radical!
And then any impact of H20 and k2co3
?
Sir
16:06
@satyatech the K2CO3 should give elimination product for tertiary bromoalkene and substitution product for secondary bromoalkene if my memory is good!
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Will that tertiary group get brominated
@DHMO
@satyatech I don't think the 4-carbon can be radicalized!
Apart from double bond getting brominated through an cyclic intermediate
16:09
But I might as well be wrong!
The allyl radical should be favoured!
@DHMO how many dense regions are there for graphite? (Maybe 6 , but it isn't sp3d2 hybrid…)
@Fawad there are only three!
Oh ,correct!
16:24
I'd like to improve chemistry.stackexchange.com/help/notation (just a space, but it's important to me). How would I do this?
@mhchem which one?
This one, oh 2 spaces, actually. Spaces around the plus operator. H2O + HCl <-> H3O+ + Cl-
@mhchem oh, hi!!
Also this^ @mhchem
16:32
the god mhchem has come!
Oh hi!! @mhchem
I beg your pardon? :-)
Hi!
Did you check @mhchem above picture?
@mhchem what motivated you to create this package?
@Fawad I was referring to the spaces in the \ce command
16:36
@mhchem better now?
@Loong Perfect! Thanks!
ok
@DHMO I wanted to promote LaTeX to a chemist. But typing chemistry was really cumbersome. That's when it all started.
@mhchem interesting!
And yes, although you removed that question, I am not a chemist and I don't know much about chemistry. My chemical knowledge (except chemical typography) decreases every year. It asymptotically approaches zero. :-) [I hope, that was correct mathematical English.]
Seeing mhchem getting used here at Chemistry.SE, motivates me so much!
16:46
@mhchem how can you know about chemical typography despite having vanishing chemical knowledge?
@DHMO I read chemistry books like picture books. Then I got feature requests. Then I discovered the IUPAC green book. These days, I look at Chemistry.SE from time to time if there is a notation I do not know yet. I also downloaded SE and looked how you guys used and misused the \ce command. And, when I cannot figure things out on my own, I ask here.
@mhchem that's nice!
@mhchem without being moderator you have access to Moderators tools?
@Fawad Everybody can download the whole SE text body. (It has a CC license.) Not all the internals like edit history, but the current text body. I did that and extracted all instances of \ce
17:25
anybody with knowledge of gel electrophoresis? I'm looking for the term to describe a flat-surface thing used to measure the parameters of the gel after it was run.
> Place the gel on the surface of the gel documentation panel and measure the distance from the front of the well to the center of the enzyme band using the scale present to on the right and the left sides of the gel documentation panel.
I called it gel documentation panel but I'm unsure.
Wut
Gel electrophoresis. We've just performed it, and now need to estimate the distance.
There's this thing, which I don't know the English name of, which is used to measure this because it has "scales" (series of notches with distances) on its right and left margins.
Do you see, stranger, the word you seek, in this realm?
They usually use "gel documentation systems" (automatic) but my authors use this simple ...
hello
17:30
Jello
!!greet/@Sweeper
Yellow
@M.A.R. I've read a similar page (several) but there's nothing there about any such thingie to measure the distances.
Welcome to The Periodic Table @Sweeper! Here are our chat guidelines and it's recommended that you read them. If you want to turn Mathjax on, follow the instructions in this answer. Happy chatting!
@CowperKettle Measure what?
I want to ask,if you turn simple hydrocarbon gas into plasma with high voltage electrodes inside sealed chamber,will they recombine to their original form or will they dissociate into hydrogen and carbon? I think about Ethilene,Methane and Acetylene
17:34
@Cowp are you looking for ''band'', or ''dye front''?
I want to create something and for it to work I need to know if the Methane will fall apart and need replenishing or if it will not fall apart and no replenishing is needed
@Sweeper You mean you ionized for instance methane, and that whether the products will go back to methane or H2 and C2?
yes! or maybe if it will recombine into different hydrocarbon molecule!
keep in mind its inside sealed chamber with no other gas present at atmosferic pressure
I would like it to not change into any other form so I dont need to replenish it
Hmm, if it were methyl radicals, two of them would've combined to form ethane
what is metyl radical?
17:41
!!wiki/methyl
A methyl group is an alkyl derived from methane, containing one carbon atom bonded to three hydrogen atoms — CH3. In formulas, the group is often abbreviated Me. Such hydrocarbon groups occur in many organic compounds. It is a very stable group in most molecules. While the methyl group is usually part of a larger molecule, it can be found on its own in any of three forms: anion, cation or radical. The anion has eight valence electrons, the radical seven and the cation six. All three forms are highly reactive and rarely observed. == Methyl cation, anion, and radicalEdit == === Methyl cat...
thank you very much
so if I understand it corectly,after some period of time,the plasma from the elecrodes will turn all the methane into enthane?
Nope, it won't
If you ionize it completely, no methyl radicals will be formed I reckon
And methyl anions can only go back to methane, not to anything else
@M.A.R. The distance run by a particular band.
Band in the gel.
This is an isoenzyme analysis performed to confirm the species identity of a sample from a cell bank.
so if I put the methane gas inside plasma chamber,it can change into methyl and ethane
it can only change into
I want to know what kind of new molecules will be created in the methane plasma chamber,will it eventualy turn into every hydrocarbon molecule or is there only limited number of molecules it will change into,like methyl ion and ethane
17:56
@CowperKettle Uh, ruler?
IIRC the tool isn't really important
Measuring and analyzing data needs other, more important tools specific to electrophoresis
ah, okay.. I'm already translating further
@Sweeper Ions aren't stable, and they will always want to go back to stable molecules
In the case of hydrocarbons and related radicals and ions, octet works well
So that you can't have a carbon with more than four bonds in room temperature
you mean octet molecules are stable and dont transform to other molecules?
@M.A.R. - do you perform chemical experiments? When I was studying chemistry, I started reading the Russian chem forum's threads on setting up a home lab. Quite interesting.
@CowperKettle I used to
Really simple stuff though
I had this little little lab at home
Oh, good memories
18:01
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@Sweeper the octet rule is known to be good for simplifying tough concepts, but is usually overridden. In the case of carbon, though, except methenium, I don't recall a case where it was violated
can you explain to me the octet rule? I never heard of it before
Octa- is a prefix meaning ''eight''
@Sweeper there is so much written about it on the Internet
The octet rule says that, except hydrogen, atoms in different compounds should usually have only 8 electrons around them
Hydrogen is really small and so it can only have up to 2.
18:05
@Sweeper Here's a wonderful site to read through: chemguide.co.uk/index.html#top
I still dont understand,if I put methane into sealed plasma chamber,how many other molecules can the methane be transformer into,ethane was already mentioned,but is there anything else? Can the ethane then later be transformed to something?
"plasma chamber"?
will read that CowperKettl,thank you
sealed chamber with electrodes that is vacuum and then I put methane inside
@Sweeper No, I said it can't turn into methane, unless some amount of methyl radicals is present
And I'm not an electrochemistry expert so I don't know how much of that the high voltage will produce
so the methane can turn into ethane,but ethane cant turn back into methane?
when I said if ethane can be later transformed into something I didnt mean back to methane,I meant other more complex hydrocarbons
for example,will the methane eventualy through series of transformation inside the hot plasma turn into hexane or isobutane?
will that plasma dissociate the methane into individual carbon and hydrogen atoms and turn it into every stable hydrocarbon molecule in existance over long period of time?
18:25
@Sweeper If enough energy is provided, methane dissociates into methyl and hydrogen radicals. This requires some energy as hydrogen radical is really unstable.
What I'm not sure about is whether that energy can be applied with a voltage
Or will you get hydrogen cations and methyl anions
Worth asking a question on the main site IMO
thank you M.A.R. for your patience <3
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CowperKettl you said "yes" to me?
They are making a movie about him, The Persian Patient
@Sweeper No, to MAR - to his preceding reMARk
18:27
7
Q: Can two electron occupy the same spatial spot in a statistical way?

JamesMy friend claimed that if we have a two-electron atom in the ground state, and somehow we get the "real" electronic wavefunction $\psi(\mathbf{x_1},\mathbf{x_2})$ of the system, the statistical probability of finding two electrons (spin-up and spin-down) at the same spot $\mathbf{x_0}$ is nonzero...

18:44
@CowperKettle Now I should kick you for using a hyphen there
:–)
@M.A.R. Is this Donald Trump again?
@Loong No, can't you see there's not enough orange above his/her eyes?
Aha
 
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Q: Comprehensive quality blocks now enabled everywhere

Shog9Questions are the lifeblood of any Stack Exchange site. But asking good questions can be difficult, and while most people start off doing it poorly, some never get better. For years now, when sites reached traffic levels that made manual review and filtering of questions burdensome for the good f...

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Synchronisation :)
And yeah, the first upvote is mine ᕙ(⇀‸↼‶)ᕗ
@orthocresol thanks for edit ;)

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