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5:09 AM
@Jan It's not listed I think: kuicr.kyoto-u.ac.jp/sites/news/?nc=e
 
5:23 AM
@Jan Why is everybody getting so worked up about that?
 
What is difference between hydroxides and metal oxides?
> alkali metals when react with water gives hydroxides
So aren't they same as metal oxides?
 
5:51 AM
@Ramanujan no they aren't the same
 
What is difference?
 
one has O^2- anions and one has OH^- anions
 
Alkali metal + water ⇌ metal oxides (or) hydroxides?
 
you just said hydroxide
 
OK,so when we get metal oxides?
Nvm
 
5:56 AM
you get metal oxides by burning the metal
!!img/d-hexanolactone
 
!!img/4-hexenoic acid
 
@orthocresol @Jan how can I synthesize the bottom from the top?
 
!!img/titin
 
6:04 AM
No result found.
 
6:32 AM
@DHMO your target is an ester.. how do you make esters? acid + alcohol. your starting material has one of the two functional groups, introduce the second, and then intramolecular esterification.
 
@getafix you reversed the target and the starting reactant...
 
okay then do it in reverse, ester hydrolysis then dehydration
 
I know these are the two steps required
I would consult a standard textbook if all I want is "ester hydrolysis then dehydration"
 
umm? so what do you want?
 
the specifics
 
6:37 AM
H+, H2O, heat
 
and the second step?
 
secondary alcohols will dehydrate in acid + heat
 
interesting
why did you choose acid hydrolysis instead of alkali hydrolysis?
 
@Jan well I don't know much about where to find jobs listings, but if you are interested in Nagoya uni, i know some post docs here, I can put you in touch with them..(if they are okay with it, that is..they should be they are nice people)..you can ask about the group etc.
 
@getafix which acid in particular?
 
6:57 AM
@Loong Because we care how many programmers program Haskell on weekends.
ಠ_ಠ
 
@M.A.R. can you help me?
 
Nah sorry.
Busy
Just replying to pings
@Jan plus 46, minus 70
@DHMO I might be available after breakfast, i.e. in almost an hour
 
@M.A.R. ping me if you're available
 
7:19 AM
@paracresol o/
 
@Secret I've set up a bounty for your (my) question
 
yup I saw
Meanwhile, my question is being closed for too broad:
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Q: Are there reactions (physical or chemical) such that the product remains stable even after it is depressurised?

SecretIn transition state theory, the kinetics and thermodynamics of most reactions are controlled by the height of the transition state barrier and the difference in energy level between the reactants and the products. Some reactions have very high energy barriers such that extreme conditions are nee...

 
@DHMO sulfuric acid, phosphoric acid etc the conjugate base must not be strongly nucleophilic
 
@getafix I see
I have a question: I thought lactonization is catalyzed by acid
 
7:28 AM
read the link i sent you, it has more details than I can give in chat
 
Not sure how to fix it, but the major motive of asking this question is to find some high pressure formed compounds that can remain stable when you depressurise back to 1atm, given how the pressure route seemed to produce a lot of crazy looking compounds
 
esterification is an equilibrium..it is reversible
 
and it will be so sad if nearly all of these crazy compounds can only survive at high pressure
 
@getafix I mean, lactonization (intramolecular esterification) is favoured
 
To overcome an activation energy only by increasing pressure is nonsense. At high pressure, the activation energy can however be smaller, the kinetics can be different, etc. But why do complicated, dangerous pressure experiments, when very often a rather small temperature increase does the trick? — Karl Jan 30 at 10:15
 
7:30 AM
acid + alcohol <=> ester + water (in catalytic acid) so an excess of water will shift the equilibrium to the left
 
@Secret well, @getafix is one of the 5 people who closed it
 
So as it seems, pressure change mainly the geometry of the potential energy surface, not the energy the reactant can process
 
@getafix it isn't acid + alcohol but i get what you mean
 
i meant carboxylic acid + alcohol ..in this case both functional groups are on the same molecule
 
intramolecular esterification has quite different kinetics though
 
7:32 AM
yes it does
 
I guess a better way to phrase my question is I am trying to find a pressure analogy of the following: You know when you stretch a rubber band too far, it will get fatigue and cannot snap back any more
So I want some starting materials, which after compress them they form some crazy looking compound, but said compound is actually more thermodynamicaly stable, thus you can depressurise it back to 1 atm and it still survive
 
but mechanistically its the same process..
your reaction arrows move the same way
@Secret yes that is possible, ever hear of diamonds? haha
 
@getafix you're right
 
but diamonds are not thermodynamically stable (At least not at T > 0)
 
diamond is metastable
 
7:35 AM
so diamonds are narrowly off as an example
 
oh i see, so you want something that is thermodynamically stable at regular T, p?
 
but is produced at high pressure (because high pressure tend to report crazy looking compounds)
 
in the strictest sense, a metastable compound wont do
 
In a sense, the reaction is irreversible under pressure, instead of heat
 
@getafix do you have the eqm constant for any lactonization?
 
7:38 AM
To sum up, recall that there are many examples of chemical reactions that produces more thermodynamically stable products after heating. I want a pressure analogue of this so that the stuff that forms will stay there after the extreme conditions are removed.
However Karl's statement suggest that is impossible, because it seems pressure only affect the barrier height
 
@dhmo no, but google is your friend
anyway i must go now
also @Secret if you want your question be reopened, try to narrow it down a bit include more details...and then make a request
 
Well, I think I am still missing some details on how pressure works in chemical reactions, thus I think I need to search harder before I can find the relevant details to fix the question
 
7:52 AM
Ok I have edited the question, does this sounds narrow enough?
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Q: Are there reactions (physical or chemical) such that the product remains stable even after it is depressurised?

SecretHigh pressure chemistry tend to return compounds with very interesting and unusual bonding structures, such as $\ce{NaCl7}$ and $\ce{Na2He}$ However, for most of these, the resulting product is only at best metastable (e.g. diamond) when returning to ambient conditions, and does not survive when...

 
@Secret I thought adding pressure does not change the kinetic energy
 
To overcome an activation energy only by increasing pressure is nonsense. At high pressure, the activation energy can however be smaller, the kinetics can be different, etc. But why do complicated, dangerous pressure experiments, when very often a rather small temperature increase does the trick? — Karl Jan 30 at 10:15
Well Karl's account suggest it does somehow change the potential energy surface by lowering the barrier
 
I don't actually understand how adding pressure creates different pathways
 
But high pressure chemistry is rarely covered in undergrad courses, thus I don't know the details
 
anyhow, wtf is NaCl7?
 
7:56 AM
Well, for starters, you literally squeeze some atoms so they are spatially close together, thus the orbitals will distort or overlap in ways previously impossible
NaCl7 is one of the high pressure variant of NaCl
 
@Secret har?
 
But I really don't understand further details beyond that. Like I said, nearly nothing has been taught about solid state high pressure chemsitry in my undergrad
 
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Q: Why is NaCl3 possible?

M.A.R.There. And there. Almost a year ago, a group of scientists claimed to have reached compounds of $\ce{Na}$ and $\ce{Cl}$ with weird stochiometries ($\ce{NaCl3, Na3Cl, NaCl7, Na3Cl2}$ and $\ce{Na2Cl}$). What one of the articles says: These compounds are thermodynamically stable and, once made,...

 
@Secret would $\ce{2H2 + O2 -> 2H2O}$ fit your requirements?
 
Not sure, I need to check the kinetics of this reaction at ambient conditions. I recall it is quite quick due to it being essentially a combustion reaction
 
8:01 AM
but it does not occur in s.t.p.
 
Hmm, I suppose that's an example question edited again to narrow it down very far
It is good to be reminded about typical reactions that don't go under room temperature, should pay more attention to these
 
now, how the hell am i supposed to name Na2He?
@Ramanujan s.a.
 
Hi @DHMO
Why oxidation of state of K in $KO_2 $ not equal to 4?
 
that is potassium superoxide
 
@DHMO what you mean to say by s.a ?
 
8:11 AM
the two oxygens are bonded together
!!img/superoxide
 
@Ramanujan salaam alaykom
!!img/potassium superoxide
 
it is literally a transfer of electron from K to O2
the charge on each oxygen is -0.5
 
So like taking O.S of K as x then x + 2(-2)=0 then x=4 does not work?
 
8:13 AM
no it doesn't work
 
How should I know it will not work?
 
by experience
you'll recognize the superoxide anion
 
Every alkali attached to $\ce{O_2 }$ will have O.S = 1?
 
@Ramanujan It's almost impossible for alkali metals to form any other OS than +1. But it's really common for O to be something other than -2.
 
8:15 AM
@Ramanujan you can say so
@M.A.R. I don't think it's that common...
 
@DHMO Nah, it's common
 
alright
 
So taking x as unknown O.S and solving works mostly/only for transition elements?
 
I wouldn't generalize it that way
 
9:15 AM
Why this is not true? 2Na + O2→ 2NaO
 
@Ramanujan try drawing the electron structure of NaO
 
!!img/NaO
 
@DHMO ^
 
very funny
@Ramanujan oxide ion has a -2 charge
NaO implies Na+ and O-, and O- only has 7 electrons in its outermost shell
it takes an electron from another Na rapidly to form O^2-
 
9:19 AM
So 2NaO then O has still 7 e?
 
yes... doubling the coefficient changes nothing
 
@Ramanujan That was not the NAO you were looking for
 
2NaO is just a shorthand for NaO + NaO
 
@M.A.R. yes,I know it is structure of anthracene picrate
 
Thank you for knowing
 
9:22 AM
@DHMO so in Na2O2 O will have 8e ?
 
@Ramanujan that's sodium peroxide... yes
!!img/sodium peroxide
 
!!Img/Na2O2
 
@DHMO how you came up with that name? there are 2 Na so wouldn't it be di sodium peroxide?
 
9:26 AM
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A: Are the bonds within bismuth pentafluoride (BiF5) covalent or ionic?

JanFor all nomenclature purposes, one should refer to the official IUPAC recommendations, which in this case are laid down in Nomenclature of Inorganic Chemistry — IUPAC Recommendations 2005, the ‘Red Book’. The relevant section for this question is section IR-5: Compositional Nomenclature, and Over...

 
@M.A.R. lol,that was google search by image :P
 
> Multiplicative prefixes need not be used in binary names if there is no ambiguity about the stoichiometry of the compound […]. The prefix ‘mono’ is, strictly speaking, superfluous and is only needed for emphasizing stoichiometry when discussing compositionally related substances […].
@Ramanujan there are no other sodium peroxide, so "di-" is superfluous
 
!!Img/disodiumperoxide
 
No result found.
 
usually for ionic compounds you don't see the multiplicative prefix
!!img/disodium peroxide
 
9:30 AM
 
!!img/disodium dioxide
 
Hehe
What can we conclude?
 
It is to be noted that the list of allowed names for a compound for chemobot is taken from here
 
Dinatriumdioxidandiid [German] [ACD/IUPAC Name]
Dioxydanediide de disodium [French] [ACD/IUPAC Name]
Disodium dioxidanediide [ACD/IUPAC Name]
Disodium dioxide
disodium peroxide
Sodium dioxide
Sodium peroxide [Wiki]
Some are IUPAC names
 
9:33 AM
despite what is claimed, the IUPAC name is "sodium peroxide".
 
 
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12:08 PM
This is really great idea @Martin-マーチン
 
Of course it is. It's Martin's idea.
 
@DHMO O wow, it seems metallic hydrogen (if it does survive the decompression, even if it theoretically should) is actually precisely the thing I want for my question
 
@Secret I was re-reminded why I hate YouTube comments and commentators
 
NB, actually the video said that, not the comments
I am not very sure of how much that detail holds
bleh, need to read the paper to find out, quora does not have enough details
 
@M.A.R. it is wrong information or because holy shit is written?
 
12:21 PM
@Ramanujan Nah, the way the comments are written is demonstration of pure ignorance
 
12:35 PM
!!flip/Bart
 
(づಥਊಥ)づ︵ᗺɐɹʇ
 
@Secret you should actually watch the video
 
1:34 PM
@DHMO I actually watched the video, this comment is noticed afterwards
the guy in the vid said similar things in regard to "theroetically it should, but it is unsure". He also mentioned how the report has a lot of controversay and the team plan to get more measurements and make more sample afterwards to test to ensure it is really metallic hydrogen
 
1:49 PM
BIG OUCH @Ortho . . . that ''weight'' to ''mass'' edit
 
2:09 PM
@M.A.R. This guy has already submitted three edits to my post.
I don't know why he is so insistent on changing RAM to R.A.M.
 
2:26 PM
!!flip/@DHMO
 
(۶ૈ‡▼益▼)۶@ᗡHWO
 
2:38 PM
@orthocresol change it to $A_\mathrm r$
 
@Loong Good idea.
 
 
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3:48 PM
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3:50 PM
@Secret You know that you can also play with Chemobot in the sandbox? chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/1/sandbox ;-)
 
ok did not knew that
Thanks for notifying
 
no problem
 
 
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5:07 PM
Can anybody how they have given the answer as B ,C and D
 
 
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6:18 PM
 
 
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7:29 PM
just learned about iboview, now I can make the shiniest pictures of structures and orbitals
 
8:09 PM
Diels–Alder products haver never been so shiny. ;-)
 
yep, first molecule I had on my desktop. but we actually use them as dienophiles in another DA reaction^^
 
8:33 PM
Heh, $\require{unicode}\unicode{x1F4A9}$ works.
Don't tell @hBy2Py
 
Hm, our new UV/VIS spectrometer runs on android and we can use emojis for filenames...
 
8:54 PM
$\require{unicode}\unicode{x1F4A9}$
...
 
$\require{unicode}\huge\unicode{x1F4A9}?$
 
!!flip/💩
 
(╯°ਊ°)╯︵💩
 
:-D
 
9:18 PM
(╯°$\unicode{xd83d}$°)╯︵💩
:-(
@DSVA The video card on my laptop isn't shiny enough to use iboView :-(
(@Loong)
 
 
1 hour later…
10:26 PM
> Ag(NH3)2F + Saturated solution KI = [on hold]
lol
I didn't mean to complete the equation...
It is not a homework question. It is for research but I am not a chemist, if you you do not know the answer to the question leave it for someone who does. — user41046 7 mins ago
Ok, I am really so sick of this.
 
10:48 PM
@orthocresol ugh, and that medical name "silver diamine fluoride"
 

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