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21:00
I guess you want to be targeting a specific cell, which will have proteins unique to it on it's surface
So you could potentially design the structure for it
Ideas with carbon allotropes in this case are quite bad imo
And I really like the click chemistry approach to that, where you can release a molecule upon reaction
Only plus of buckyballs nanotubes etc is their shape
@MichaelHarding yes, you can attach a antibody or some small molecule ligand to your container and target with that.
21:08
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A: Why is that n-Butyllithium is a better reagent than Propynyllithium to synthesize lithium cyclohexylamide from Cyclohexylamine?

BarbuOk, so I got it. Alkynes are sp hybridied which means electrons stay in the center and alkynes tend to be electrophilic so they are not nucleophilic at all which means they don't want to donate their electrons and grab the hydrogen off the NH3 of cyclohexlamine. Alkanes are sp3 hybridized so they...

What have you unleashed, @Jan?
electrons stay in the center?
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I don’t know. Maybe we can use para-Jan to exorcise the dæmon?
Ok, I'm just going to put my answer there and never open it again.
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Can you at least add a link to Evans’ table? xD
21:17
It's down right now, or at least I can't seem to access it.
But I certainly could :D
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You can copy the link from one of my many answers ;p
I can get the link from Google just fine. But can't access the pdf for some reason o__o
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@orthocresol
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I’ve never felt so happy just clicking Delete — no comment needed in the VLQ review queue …
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Q: Can we have oneboxed links for scientific papers in chat?

JanCertain weblinks when posted in chat will onebox, i.e. they will be displayed as a box containing part of the content of the site linked. This is especially cool for SE questions and answers but also for Wikipedia. Here at chemistry.SE, we often discuss some cool research or direct each other to...

I thought acids protonate bases like amines. I thought bases were suposed to deprotonate, not acids. — Barbu 31 secs ago
why did he give a wrong answer to his own question?
Because he's clueless, sadly.
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@DSVA Because they deserve failing their course.
Hmm, there should really be some rule forbidding animated gifs.
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21:52
Should there? D=
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22:19
0.2 krep achieved. 21st epic day counted. The voting reversal script can now reverse the upvotes, I have achieved my interim goal =3
23:06
I my English lesson module about chemistry I need to make a presentation about something people may don't know. I chose to present the separation of ortho and para water.
I found a good article about that, but I have some troubles to understand some notations.
I know that |a> refers to a state of a system
I just don't understand the numbers in subscript like here:
This is from there arxiv.org/pdf/1407.2056v1.pdf, if someone can explain me I would be glad
it's quite complicated, Ka and Kc are rotational quantum numbers
you have to refer to a spectroscopy textbook to explain where those come from and what they mean
I don't want to explain with a lot of details, this is a short presentation about five to ten minutes
I'm not confident I can even explain it in 30 minutes, to be honest.
You don't need to go into such great detail. How about starting from the spin isomers of hydrogen, those are much easier.
Only one rotational quantum number.
Whereas the rotational states of H2O have to be labelled with three.
Or four, I don't even know.
Seems like it's four: $J, K_a, K_c, M$
those kets are labelled with four numbers
$\left| J_{K_aK_c}M\right>$
Ok
And each numbers refer to each letters right ?
Yeah, they do.
So if you define an angular momentum state as $\left| l, m_l\right>$ then the ket $|1,0\rangle$ refers to the state with $l = 1$ and $m_l = 0$.
23:16
Does the J is the same (refers to) like in NMR for coupling constant ?
Not at all
This J is a rotational quantum number
K_a and K_c are projections along the molecular axes or something like that
and M is a projection along the laboratory axis
OK it becomes tricky ahah
As I said this is really complicated
because H2O is a nasty molecule
You'd think that it's simple, but in terms of rotational spectroscopy, it's very complicated because it lacks certain symmetry.
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Yeah, its poisonous if you inhale too much of it.
@Jan It is also use by a lot of chemical company
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23:18
And they just dump it into the atmosphere!
It’s scandalous!
OK I will look at that !
The ground-state energy difference between ortho and para spin isomers arises from the different rotational levels that are allowed, but yeah. You've gotta check a spectroscopy textbook for this sort of thing haha
Rotational spectroscopy is concerned with the measurement of the energies of transitions between quantized rotational states of molecules in the gas phase. The spectra of polar molecules can be measured in absorption or emission by microwave spectroscopy or by far infrared spectroscopy. The rotational spectra of non-polar molecules cannot be observed by those methods, but can be observed and measured by Raman spectroscopy. Rotational spectroscopy is sometimes referred to as pure rotational spectroscopy to distinguish it from rotational-vibrational spectroscopy where changes in rotational energy...
@Jan yes and common people made a petition against that
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Every now and again, they even discover traces of it in !!beer
Can you imagin?
23:20
I was looking to this page @orthocresol :)
@Jan
Dihydrogen monoxide:
is also known as hydroxyl acid, and is the major component of acid rain.
contributes to the "greenhouse effect".
may cause severe burns.
contributes to the erosion of our natural landscape.
accelerates corrosion and rusting of many metals.
may cause electrical failures and decreased effectiveness of automobile brakes.
has been found in excised tumors of terminal cancer patients.
Despite the danger, dihydrogen monoxide is often used:
as an industrial solvent and coolant.
@Hexacoordinate-C Even the Wikipedia page is not that great. It gives a lot of formulae without explaining how they arise, which is often not very useful. The textbook I use is Hollas: amazon.co.uk/Modern-Spectroscopy-Chemistry-Michael-Hollas/dp/… but Atkins does it decently too.
Too expensive for a presentation ^^
I will read as many things I can on the web to have an idea of what it is
Who knows exactly what is an atom ?
Speaking of which, this site needs a good canonical answer about nuclear spin isomers.
One day, one day...
I need first to ask question
What I want to know at least is, does the state $|0_{00} 0>$ refer only for one of both isomers or can it be a state of both ?
That quantum state is only accessible for one isomer.
Namely, the para isomer.
23:28
OK thanks
The ortho isomer cannot have that state as it would violate the spin-statistics theorem.
i.e. if it did, the total wavefunction would be symmetric under permutation of the hydrogen nuclei, which isn't allowed because hydrogen nuclei are fermions (I = 1/2).
I see
J refers to the spin orbital coupling ?
no, no
you know the quantum numbers for electrons?
n, l, m_l, m_s
Yep for years now
Those allow you to unambiguously label the electronic state of an electron, right?
Yeah rotational quantum numbers are just the same. They label the rotational states of a molecule.
So the lowest rotational state has J = 0, etc. etc.
With J = L + S ?
No
That's a different matter entirely
It's a sad fact about science that we have more quantities than we have symbols.
So, some symbols get reused.
So I don't understand your last sentence
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You know how some people call pressure $P$, others call power $P$? That kind of thing.
23:38
I am of them @Jan
But my power is more "round"
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It’s the same symbol used for two different purposes by different people.
Yeah spin-orbit coupling is just an entirely different matter altogether. It has nothing to do here.
And it's only coincidence that they share the same Roman letter.
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Or maybe $R$. Which is both the universal gas constant and the Rydberg constant.
So what this ******* J number represent lol
26 mins ago, by orthocresol
This J is a rotational quantum number
23:43
I saw that ^^
Well it's a number which quantify the rotation state of a molecule ?
Hum ok I see
And J values are eigenvalues ?
Indirectly, yes;
the eigenvalues are $BJ(J+1)$
$B$ is a constant specific to each molecule.
Rotation constant
This is the simplest model, which only really works for linear molecules. The moment you get anything non-linear, there are additional quantum numbers and rotational constants that go into that equation.
23:49
Ka and Kc are the other numbers for non linear molecules ?
I think so.
It depends on the exact molecule.
In this case for water
Water is what is called an asymmetric top, because its moments of inertia about the x-, y-, and z-axes are all different
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Aha, TU Braunschweig.
23:53
I don't even know, actually. Hollas doesn't even discuss these in detail.
It's crazy how complicated such simple molecules are
I think that, for certain more-symmetric molecules (specifically prolate or oblate tops), you only need 2 quantum numbers J and K.
For water, you need three.
Three constants to define the energy; the fourth number M doesn't affect the energy.
And Ka and Kc are the projection on a and c about J momentum ?
Yeah, I think so.
That's strange
Hum well no it's ok. There are "spinning" vectors
So we don't know exactly "where they are" but we can find some of their projections

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