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user228700
05:57
Hi everyone :-)
user228700
06:43
Anybody here? :/
09:46
@Kaumudi just ask your question and i would have answered it now
@pH13-YetanotherPhilipp where are they?
@DHMO take a look at the question
user228700
10:01
@DHMO I forgot my question lol :-P
user228700
I asked a question (a very small one) at the MSE Chat. Can u please help me with that?
@pH13-YetanotherPhilipp maybe you would want to order them by energy?
@DHMO afaik, orbitals don’t have energies in a CAS calculation
@Kaumudi answered
@pH13-YetanotherPhilipp Was ist CAS?
@DHMO !!wiki/Multi-configurational_self-consistent_field#Complete_active_space_SCF
10:11
Multi-configurational self-consistent field (MCSCF) is a method in quantum chemistry used to generate qualitatively correct reference states of molecules in cases where Hartree–Fock and density functional theory are not adequate (e.g., for molecular ground states which are quasi-degenerate with low-lying excited states or in bond breaking situations). It uses a linear combination of configuration state functions (CSF) or configuration determinants to approximate the exact electronic wavefunction of an atom or molecule. In an MCSCF calculation, the set of coefficients of both the CSFs or determinants...
user228700
Uh, replied(?) :-P
10:59
What will happen if the current periodic table is found to be true and a new periodic table comes into play.
How will people who have already understood concepts based on the old periodic table understand the new one???
heloo??
11:21
@Vedant this periodic table cannot be wrong... what does a new one even mean?
11:44
@Vedant incorrect, you mean
And welcome to our chat.
@Vedant this periodic table cannot wrong, or right. Why? Because it's a classification. Perhaps, although really unlikely, we'll need another classification in the future, but that would be only to organize things in a more convenient and informative way.
Neither this one nor the other classification will be wrong.
'cause assigning the label 'wrong' and 'right' is wrong.
But if you mean the principles behind governing the table might turn out wrong, that will not happen.
A lot of newer scientists have debunked the theories of the older ones, but that doesn't mean they destroyed every basis of chemistry to prove one minor previous theory wrong.
12:10
hi @DHMO remember me?
Hi @DHMO remember me?
what i am saying is if a new discovery of some other dimension causes us to realise us of a few different properties of element(if they are elements even then) and then we have to reclassify them or even worse change the periodic table as a whole
@Vedant So?
Just putting forward a hypothetical situation and gathering thoughts
Well, again, if a new classification becomes necessary, they'll do it.
12:13
@Rubisco then would the fundamentals change.
And scientists will get used to it on the second day.
lol
@Vedant The fundamentals will never change. We might add more, but we're not going to erase anything.
for eg: we use atomic mass for various aspects in chem. if the new property over powers them?
The only partial problem will be that the stupid educational systems around the world will keep up with not keeping up with modern science, and stick to the old-fashioned version.
12:15
thats true
@Rubisco not necessarily. when 0 was not invented, there was no 10,100 etc. The fundamentals have to change
i dot think the fundamentals will ever remain constant
@Vedant That was before the modern era of science.
You're getting too historic.
in an infinite universe how can we have stagnant laws??
@Rubisco yup i am
@Vedant You have to accept that some things can't be wrong.
No matter how hard they try.
They might be a simplified version of reality, but they're not wrong.
@Rubisco i actually dont understand much about chem,but this thing speaks to me
Well, it should stop speaking then.
I used to wonder the same thing too.
But once you get to know what chemistry and its education looks like, you're gonna even try to dodge assigning 'right' and 'wrong' labels to things.
12:19
@rubisco i am in high school so ur probablty right
@Vedant Tell you what, I'm in high school as well.
@Vedant yes
@Rubisco yes
@DHMO yay ╭( ・ㅂ・)و
@Rubisco You're a high-schooler? What the heck -_-
Anyone mind an Inorganic chem query?
@AaronAbraham Why?
12:35
Which question are you answering?
I may be a high-schooler, but deep inside, I will always be a . . . um, you tell me.
@AaronAbraham Why the what the heck?
Never mind. Would anyone happen to know why hexapositive Mo and W ions are more stable than hexapositive Cr ions (my textbook says so ._. )
They're in the same group, right?
I guess that'd be because they have more electrons and protons than Cr, to be very very very very very very very very simply put
12:38
?????
@Rubisco How has that anything to do with stability?
Think about it. An atom with 24 electrons loses 6. Another with 54 loses 6 as well. Whose loss is worse?
I mean, if they were in the same group.
I'm just throwing numbers here.
Hmm...your logic strikes a chord...
ding
The real reason is Zeff.
And how it's calculated.
Which isn't as simple and linear as we simplify it to, but you get the idea.
12:40
Wait...
I'm not a very patient enzyme
╭( ・ㅂ・)و
Where'd you learn ASCII
?
(๑˃̵ᴗ˂̵)و
@AaronAbraham I didn't. I just have a list of these.
12:42
(giggles)
Picked from that japaneseemoji or whatever site
Could I have a copy too?
Oh, there's the link. japaneseemoticons.me
I have a feeling you talk to Martin a lot ;)
We used to, yeah.
He started being always on vacation some six month ago or what.
Before that, he and I were the only active chatters here. Good times good times.
12:44
This one's hilarious
XD
1 message moved to Trash
@Rubisco Thank you.
Also good times don't last ;)
Someone might not be taking hilarity and jokes as they should be, so I moved that to trash.
I don't feel like having a chat drama lately.
Ah, danke oh far-sighted enzyme (reverence)
ʕ ⊃・ ◡ ・ ʔ⊃︵┻━┻
@AaronAbraham For the sake of convenience, we also have flip and untable commands for chemobot.
12:47
ლ(ಠ益ಠლ
@AaronAbraham You can click on them. They'd be copied to the clipboard.
At least it was like that last time I checked.
I've already bookmarked it ^_^
@AaronAbraham has anyone seen a hexapositive ion?
@DHMO Has anyone seen a water molecule?
@AaronAbraham yes
12:49
(you don't count)
@AaronAbraham Define 'seen'
@AaronAbraham The second most useful site on the internet
@Rubisco Define define
The first is Chem, and the third is Google
;P
?
Second's ?
@AaronAbraham Defining is the act of defining a definition with things we have defined to define things with
12:51
I doubt that ( @Martin-マーチン )
@Rubisco auf wiedersehen
@Rubisco 1+1=2!
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1 min ago, by Aaron Abraham
I doubt that ( @Martin-マーチン )
all our math kinda depends on that O.o
@Martin-マーチン in some maths 1+1=0
12:53
Well @Rubisco good-bye. @Martin-マーチン I know you just came here, but auf wiedersehen too ^_&
@AaronAbraham o/
@DHMO space maths?
In mathematics, a finite field or Galois field (so-named in honor of Évariste Galois) is a field that contains a finite number of elements. As with any field, a finite field is a set on which the operations of multiplication, addition, subtraction and division are defined and satisfy certain basic rules. The most common examples of finite fields are given by the integers mod p when p is a prime number. The number of elements of a finite field is called its order. A finite field of order q exists if and only if the order q is a prime power pk (where p is a prime number and k is a positive integer...
@DHMO you are in high school aswell????
@Vedant yes
the final year
Would you look at that. @Mart I think you can successfully establish a kindergarten now.
What? Nah. Don't thinks so...
Oh wait. We already have one.
It's called meta.
@DHMO final year as in, changes across the word you know!
@Vedant what does that mean?
13:01
which grade??? @DHMO
@Vedant of high school
final year of high school
@DHMO ohhh
@Vedant where is quod erat demonstrantum
13:04
which is what had to be shown @DHMO
@Vedant Terrible, eye-jarring coloring
@Rubisco true!
@Vedant the literal translation isn't the point
I've got what it takes to take what you have got!
lets get punny
@Vedant where is e pluribus unum
13:09
@DHMO i dont even know latin
but found that interesing @DHMO
quid pro quo literally means "this for that" but this is not how it is used
Are you latin
yes, and I'm also 2000 years old
can people even be latin ?
lol @DHMO
what ???? @DHMO
latin is a dead language
there's only a few native latin speaker due to their parents forcing them to speak latin from birth
13:12
But like people can be English can you be latin
moreover can people speak latin
or is it just a written language
it was spoken 2000 years ago
and it is spoken in catholic churches
no, Latin is not a country
The Romans spoke Latin 2000 years ago
Lorem ipsum sit dollar am it.
WhO ARE YOU and how do you know so much>> @DHMO
I'm totally Latin now.
and of course the form of Latin spoken in churches is different from the Latin spoken 2000 years ago
@Vedant I just said I'm 2000 years old
I've witnessed how the language changed
13:14
47 days and 1k rep and top 1%
@Vedant I'm a water molecule
@DHMO So that's why you're sometimes cranky.
@Vedant Pfft, that's nothing.
@Rubisco exactly
@Rubisco yup
Getting rep is really once you've persuaded yourself to post something.
My standards are too high for me to post anything these days.
So I infect meta with my blabber instead.
13:16
chemistry.stackexchange.com/questions/61033/… check this to see how cranky he gets @Rubisco
@DHMO and why is that question put on hold
> put on hold as unclear what you're asking
what is unclear about what im asking
well, I didn't vote for it
ask @ringo or @Wildcat or @ToddMinehardt
13:17
@DHMO can you remove it with your priveleges
@Vedant I can't
@ringo hey why did you mark it as unclear @Wildcat @ToddMinehardt
I can't even vote to put it on hold
@Vedant Well, when the terminology strikes people as odd, they tend to VTC as unclear.
@Rubisco If everybody had such high standards, the site would be a better place.
13:19
@Rubisco true!MAKE STACK EXCHANGE GREAT AGAIN @tonalddrump
@Rubisco lol
@Rubisco No, it wouldn't. There's plenty of good content.
@orthocresol Lack of a will to participate would mean a community is dead.
@Rubisco That's a different thing. You not posting because you don't want to participate, or you have your own quality standards to uphold?
13:22
Well, look at my profile. I haven't posted in three billion years.
So while they're not the same thing, the result is.
Lousy posts get deleted anyway.
If people could just refrain from posting them to begin with, life would be easier.
You should start the nagging AFTER you become a mod, Ortho-san.
Sometimes I have half a mind to withdraw my nomination but I can't
How did this get four stars
in The h Bar, 23 hours ago, by DHMO
$\Huge\color{purple}{\LaTeX}$
Since it looks dorky.
@orthocresol The dark election humor aside, I'm getting ready to congratulate you and Loong :)
13:27
I dunno about that... We'll see.
194 votes.
Meow @Wild
Who do you think will win @Wild kitty?
Other than Putin, I mean
=^.^=
@Rubisco My guess is @Loong for sure, then @ortho or you.
@Wildcat There will only be two winners.
Mmmm.... Someone complaining about my close vote! :)
@Rubisco edited :D
@Wildcat Bah, should've said that after the two minutes ends
13:41
`(.•.)´
4
Q: Should zero be followed by units?

THE LONE WOLF.Today at a teachers' seminar, one of the teachers asked for fun whether should zero be followed by units (e.g. 0 metres/second or 0 metre or 0 moles). This question became a hot topic, and some teachers were saying that yes it should be while others were saying that it shouldn't be. When i came h...

40 minutes, 6 answers, 4 upvotes
14:00
@hBy2Py I will check timings when I get back from vacation
@pentavalentcarbon Vacation? Where are you?
14:48
Hey all
@NoahP hi
Given two solutions, each being concentration of 0.1moldm$^{-3}$, how could I tell the difference if one of them was sulfuric acid and the other hydrochloric?
@orthocresol I am at home bumming around for a week after a wedding I attended. I click on the site every day though, since I want the Fanatic badge...
Potentially using a phenolphthalein indicator
@NoahP hint: what are the respective hydrogen ion concentration?
14:50
As both are strong acids wouldn't they be the concentration of the solutions?
@NoahP no
@NoahP hint: one acid is diprotic
The sulfuric is, yes
therefore?
I had thought of that but wasn't sure where that might lead - different pH change?
well
the hydrogen ion concentration in the 0.1M sulfuric acid would be 0.2M
14:53
If I were to titrate the two, would the sulfuric require double the amount of alkali to neutralise?
yes
Bingo
Thanks!
welcome
For methanoic and ethanoic
Would it just be a case of measuring pH?
@NoahP (you could also just measure pH for the two acids above)
14:56
With a school pH probe, thats not too accurate...
right, they only differ by 0.3
Exactly
And part of the practical is to gather as much evidence as possible
So will measure their pH anyway
Not sure how I could tell ethanoic from methanoic apart from pH though
bad news: they only differ by ~0.5
Good news..?
so 0.3 is not ok but 0.5 is ok...
14:59
No, I meant like is there good news
Another test I could do
alright
@Vedant - I marked it unclear because it was unclear to me what you were asking. The question was vague, in my opinion, and I will also note that although the question was put on old 3 hours ago, I VTC long before that (14 hours ago) and subsequent edits were made to make the question more readable.
@NoahP I'm not sure how you would tell them apart
more importantly: why do you have to tell them apart?
Okay, thanks
It is not like their properties are very different
15:00
Basically I'm going to be given 6 beakers
And have to determine the identity of each
@NoahP Would you state the whole question?
I will have beakers of:
Ethanoic
Methanoic
Sulfuric
Hydrochloric
Sodium Hydroxide
Ethanoic mixed with sodium ethanoate
buffer!!!
Ammonia mixed with ammonium chloride
The two mixtures are buffers
The sodium hydroxide is the only non-buffer alkali
The two buffers will have very different pH's
The sulfuric and hydrochloric will have low pH's, and sulfuric will take twice the alkali to titrate
But unsure of ethanoic and methanoic
all I get to test with is hydrochloric 1molar, and sodium hydroxide 1 molar
And phenolpthalein
As well as a pH probe
I don't know how then
and I have to go
15:04
Okay, thanks for your help
bye
user228700
15:42
I was looking up LCAO and found this wtf:
user228700
user228700
16:00
Anybody here? I've a quick question; how does the bond angle depend on the size and electronegativity of the terminal atoms in a molecule?
16:34
@pentavalentcarbon Ah, ok. From what I've seen... phd students and postdocs don't get a lot of time at home.. So have a good time :)
I am a bit scared. Even as an undergrad my time at home is not very much. (To be fair, home is really far away which makes going back difficult..) And that will only get worse as I get older.
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Q: Why exactly has the question and answer received multiple downvotes?

ZOZIs cis-1,2-dimethylcyclohexane a meso compound or not? Today I had asked this question and also received an well-written answer for it by @orthocresol. I really could'nt spot any trait in either the question or answer which deserves a downvote. Can someone please point out the probable reason f...

16:51
hmmm, well, there seems to be some heuristics for assigning oxidation states
Can someone please downvote that answer one more time?
Then I can finally get the Peer Pressure badge.
i tried to downvote for you. but my vote doesn't count.
Eh.. Don't take me too seriously. I'm just kidding. You shouldn't vote based on how people tell you to vote.
:)
But this seems to be my only chance to get peer pressure, unless for some odd reason I decide to post some lousy content...
17:06
its alright, the system seems to be working correctly, detecting an invalid vote verses a real one ;)
17:21
@orthocresol I am a bad grad student and I total about 4 weeks vacation a year, but I only go home, which I'm totally fine with. Also only a 1.5 hour plane ride to go less than 600 miles.
@pentavalentcarbon 4 weeks is already so little!
I got 12 weeks at home last academic year and that was probably about right... :(
I agree that it is, but it's more than most people take/get.
12 would be amazing. My solution will be to move back.
18:27
@orthocresol - you still want that downvote on that orgo question?
@orthocresol - you still want that downvote on that orgo question?
18:51
@orthocresol - you.. oh wait...
Well... look, I can't tell you guys to downvote just because I want the badge.
If you think it's crappy, then downvote it..
It's crappy but I won't downvote it.
Nice try, badge farmer.
UGH
My plans have been foiled again!
Curse you!
Nom nom curse
@Ortho don't you get the feeling that people are tossing unclear VTC's rashly these days?
Maybe I should monitor things more closely.
!!flip/cache
( つ•̀ω•́)つɔɐɔɥǝ
19:35
The second iteration of the SE quality project. If you have anything to add, go there.
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@hBy2Py I know you do.
@Rubisco I don't know. What is clear to me might not be so clear to others
@orthocresol That's not the point.
Every person might not understand something others perfectly do.
The ones that do understand should edit so the ones that don't, do.
But if the question is granted to be clear, no one would see the need to edit.
What if people VTC as unclear then?
There's no one to save the question.
@Rubisco You assume infinite time on our part.
@orthocresol No, I'm assuming ideal conditions.
It's much easier for me to click "leave open", go about my own business, and if I come back and 5 other people closed it, then whatever.
19:45
Now you're exposed
I shall destroy your election campaign.
Jokes aside, that's how most users are.
That's how I am sometimes.
I mean, a lot of questions can be salvaged.
What that matters is that a bunch of people exist on the site at every moment that do give a shit.
Including lousy HW ones
It's just that myself, or Loong, or other people don't have the energy to salvage everything
@orthocresol After a certain point, we have to expect the asker to try and save their question
Mmhmm.
I don't get the feeling that unclear is being overused right now, but maybe I just haven't been looking at it much.
19:56
@orthocresol Well, it's not like I'm particularly stalking every question. Just what I see in CV queue.
hi @Rubisco @orthocresol
@ToddMinehardt \o
CV queue has a lot of questions that shouldn't be closed, sometimes there are stuff flagged as dupes but I don't think they should be, sometimes there is HW, etc.
and sometimes there is unclear
hot on the topic of that VTC/unclear thing
i down-voted that question in large part because a screenshot of scribble is barely legible
If I scribble my answer on a piece of paper and take a picture... Maybe I can finally get peer pressure...
20:03
i don't think i have ever down-voted an answer from @orthocresol or @Rubisco (and several others whose words i take as gospel)
my orgo knowledge is next to nothing, so i don't even bother with fact-checking answers. i'm surprised your answer was downvoted
@ToddMinehardt You don't see Rubisco answering, that's why you don't know what an idiot he is.
@ToddMinehardt Well, downvotes come and go. Who cares?
@Rubisco - true on both accounts...
I mean, people on SO rarely comment on their downvotes because of the spite downvotes or revenge after it.
Yeah, I don't care much tbh. I only really care for the stupid badge. I mean, I find it surprising that it's -2, but whatever, probably someone who doesn't like me after I asked people to downvote stuff.
But there's no excuse to comment on downvotes here.
Unless it's blatantly obvious to everyone.
20:17
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Q: Uranium Enrichment Problem

abjskeThe following problem is from Principles of General Chemistry, Silberberg, 1st edition: One way to utilize naturally occurring uranium (0.72% $\ce{^235U}$ and 99.27% $\ce{^238U}$) as a nuclear fuel is to enrich it (increase its $\ce{^235U}$ content) by allowing gaseous $\ce{UF6}$ to effuse th...

is that "answer" sufficient?
i'm tempted to flag, as it looks more comment-y - but i'm eager to hear what you think @Rubisco @orthocresol
@ToddMinehardt The problem with amirite questions. What else should they have written?
Food for thought -- While discussing the closure of amirite questions, make it policy that people post their effort as a self-answer.
And not contain it in the question.
@Rubisco - right, there's the rub. is "Yes, you're right, give me my +15" equivalent to a comment of "Yes, you're right?"
Hi everyone
@Loong Are these rules covered in 2013? Curiously they appear in 1979 but not 1993, so I'm wondering if 2013 revived the rules.
@Rubisco You need to gather all your foods for thought somewhere so that we can eat discuss them properly post-elections.
@orthocresol hi
20:32
hi @DHMO
@ToddMinehardt hi
20:55
@orthocresol @Rubisco Would it be appropriate to ask for origins of names/nouns/labels/adjectives used exclusively in chemistry?
@DHMO Sure, why not
@Rubisco because someone in the comment would say "move it to linguistics.SE"
do we have a tag?
[history-of-chemistry].
@DHMO First off, ELU, not linguistics. And second, I might need to see your question first.
@Rubisco then someone would say "move it to hsm.SE"
@Rubisco origin of ortho, meta, para
You call that specific to chemistry?
20:58
@Rubisco is it used elsewhere?
Ortho is a Greek prefix meaning “straight,” “upright,” “right,” or “correct”. Ortho may refer to: In science arene substitution patterns, two substituents that occupy adjacent positions on an aromatic ring Chlordane, an organochlorine compound that was used as a pesticide In medicine: Orthomyxovirus - family of viruses to which influenza belongs Orthodontics, a specialty of dentistry concerned with the study and treatment of malocclusions Orthopedic, the study of the musculoskeletal system Ortho-DOT, a psychedelic drug Ortho-cept and Ortho Tri-cyclen, kinds of oral contraceptive drug In theology...
adjective, Chemistry.
1.
pertaining to or occupying two adjacent positions in the benzene ring.
Compare meta2, para3.
Origin of ortho
1875-1880
1875-80; independent use of ortho-
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