The Periodic Table

JM97

01:10

.

CowperKettle

03:30

@Brian I've read that paper, at least tried to. It's all too complex for me.

CowperKettle

04:04

> The straw coloured solution formed changes colour very rapidly on standing to a deep reddish brown.

Is the meaning of "on standing" = "if you just leave the tube standing in the air"?

I mean, exposed to the air.

user116211

08:04

@Jan :(( ;_;

user116211

08:15

@Brian You can't do much with such gibberish trolls....

user116211

@PhMgBr Often we deal with such posts at Physics and my way....

user116211

1. Post

user116211

> Your CAPS LOCK is on!!

user116211

2. Explain why it is frowned at; and as to first read the guidelines and make a proper tour of the site (most newbies don't do that; they don't pay heed to the guidelines given ;( )

user116211

3. After editing (seldomn), advise them either to use bold or italics to highlight the concerned text and not use unnecessary CAPS.

Martin - マーチン

09:10

in The Biosphere, 10 mins ago, by WYSIWYG

People, I wish to remind you again to not raise a VLQ flag for an inaccurate/unreferenced answer. VLQ is for really pathetic content.

user116211

@Martin-マーチン There has been a confusion between LQ and not an answer for long..... is it what you are trying to point at?

Martin - マーチン

Nope... I just liked the statement.

user116211

!!flip/@mart

Chemobot

( つ•̀ω•́)つ@ɯɐɹʇ

Martin - マーチン

VLQ and NAA are treated quite the same way, it does not make much of a difference what you choose...

wrong answers should be downvoted, not flagged...

if there are unreferenced statements that could be harmful, we can give them a post notice

but apart from that only answers that do not attempt to answer should be flagged...

user116211

09:26

The "very low quality" flag is for answers which are complete nonsense, such as

incoherent gibberish
anything not parseable as English text
answers posted in another language (although if you can edit in a translation, you're encouraged to do so instead of flagging)

user116211

The "not an answer" flag is for anything posted as an answer which does not constitute so much as an attempt to answer that question, such as

answers to completely different questions
followup questions, including requests for clarification

user116211

@Martin-マーチン: they are indeed different ^^^

user116211

plagiarised from David's post meta PSE ;P

Martin - マーチン

09:46

@MAFIA36790 I know, they are still handled in a similar way...

user116211

i ceee...

user116211

@Chemobot are you a fan of John Cena ?

user116211

@DavidZ: o/

user116211

10:34

> The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool.

skill patrol

\o @MAFIA36790

user116211

o//

PhMgBr

@MAFIA36790 No, gibberish is now flagged as 'rude or abusive'.

David Z

Yeah, Shog9 did say that at some point - but it doesn't make much sense to me.

user116211

1 hour ago, by MAFIA36790

plagiarised from David's post meta PSE ;P

user116211

10:47

But I don't think so.... it can't be offensive if you post an answer in different language....

PhMgBr

@DavidZ It does once we realize gibberish affects the spam catching filter.

David Z

That's precisely one of the reasons it doesn't make sense. Gibberish isn't spam.

PhMgBr

The post is inappropriate for respectful discourse.

David Z

Well, it could be spam too, but not necessarily.

user116211

Moreover, gibberish is nor all times offensive.

PhMgBr

10:48

@DavidZ Why are we equating reason 1 and 2?

@MAFIA36790 The second option is 'rude or abusive'

David Z

What are reasons 1 and 2?

PhMgBr

Not just rude.

@MAFIA36790 Do you want me to quote meta, because I think it's proven that I'm good at it?

@DavidZ I meant the first and second flagging reasons.

user116211

flip/@PhMgBr

PhMgBr

!!gun

Chemobot

(ง⌐□ل͜□)︻̷┻̿═━一

user116211

10:49

It was a warning....

user116211

and now....

David Z

@PhMgBr remind me, which are those? I don't remember the order of the list

user116211

!!doubleflip

Chemobot

(ノ＞o＜)ノ ┫:･’.::

PhMgBr

@MAFIA36790 Incorrect ellipsisses.

user116211

10:50

the worst nitpicking ever....

user116211

@PhMgBr: seriously, you can quote....

PhMgBr

@DavidZ 1. Spam 2. Rude or Abusive 3. NAA 4. VLQ

David Z

OK then. Actually, we're not equating reasons 1 and 2. At least, I'm not - I'm maintaining a distinction between them.

Martin - マーチン

Because science!

BAHEast - Robert Gooding-Townsend - Social Lubricant Intelligence Hypothesis

►

user116211

@DavidZ Spam is a commercial blunder of abrupt promotion.... it's not abusive anyway....agreed

PhMgBr

10:56

19

A: Is a post such like 'assdddsssafffwq' spam?

Note that this represents my opinion on the matter. It isn't an official stance, and shouldn't be taken as such. These are abusive, and should be flagged as such (rude/offensive). Those flags should be marked helpful (as should 'spam', 'very low quality', and 'not an answer'. They all apply)...

Martin - マーチン

i always have to decline spam flags on gibberish posts...

PhMgBr

Not spam.

I agree spam flags on what's not spam should be declined.

Martin - マーチン

not should, must.

Brian

@CowperKettle Give it time. It would've been too much for me, too, before I really dove into quantum chem a couple of years ago.

PhMgBr

@Martin-マーチン (ﾉ＾◡＾)ﾉ︵ ┻━┻

David Z

10:58

@PhMgBr yeah... I'm going to harp on the "not an official stance" part of that answer and say I disagree.

Martin - マーチン

@PhMgBr ┬─┬ ノ( ^_^ノ)

Brian

@Martin-マーチン Agree, spam is for coherent, shameless plugs, off-topic or not.

PhMgBr

Well, take a look at it this way. 6 people flag, and a post that shouldn't be on the site gets removed without bothering a mod much.

There's also a meta.SE post from Shog that explains that you shouldn't look for rules for flagging, you should flag with your intuition: Which flag will help the site better?

@David @Mart @Mafia people on SO have been flagging gibberish as abusive for at least 3 months.

I have 40 helpful flags on SO that were gibberish flagged as abusive.

Martin - マーチン

for what it's worth ... you flag spam as spam and the rest as whatever you like...

PhMgBr

@MAFIA36790 I said abusive, not spam, dammit

Abusive is not spam people.

Should I yell?

Martin - マーチン

11:02

are you even listening?

PhMgBr

Yes.

user116211

@PhMgBr ;_;

PhMgBr

I agree that nonspam flagged as spam must be declined.

user116211

@Martin-マーチン seeing.

PhMgBr

And I'm saying that gibberish should be flagged as abusive.

What is the correlation?

Martin - マーチン

11:03

@PhMgBr that's fine

i often put a rude flag on it myself

PhMgBr

Also @David @MAFIA @Mart there are a couple of meta.SE post that say VLQ is a placeholder flag.

If something is crap but you can't find any other reason to flag it with, flag it as VLQ.

Martin - マーチン

to kill that stuff with extreme prejudice

user116211

@PhMgBr placeholder? hmm....

PhMgBr

@Martin-マーチン I sometimes flag gibberish as VLQ though because I'm afraid mods might decline my 'abusive' flag.

Just for science, I'll flag gibberish as abusive from now on.

Martin - マーチン

well i can only speak for myself... i won't reject that...

PhMgBr

11:06

\o/ !!hug/@Mart

Martin - マーチン

and afair jonsca is quite permissive to putting a helpful on them

PhMgBr

Unsurprising. Jon is one of the meta.SE legends.

And Manish is well, even legender.

So there.

I just noticed again how cool our mods are.

No wonder how well we kick a**.

user116211

@PhMgBr Everyone loves @Mart ;P

2

pentavalentcarbon

ugh !!coffee

Chemobot

PhMgBr

11:16

!!flip/@Andras

Chemobot

(づಥਊಥ)づ︵@ɐupɹɐs

user116211

@pentavalentcarbon what happened?

user116211

@PhMgBr o.O

pentavalentcarbon

@MAFIA36790 A bit early in the morning for me (7 AM EST) after a late night.

user116211

@pentavalentcarbon hmm.... you've to sleep for atleast 5hrs to avert the threats of heart attack... hmmm.... no one takes my words seriously ;_;

PhMgBr

11:18

!!untable

Chemobot

┣ﾍ(≧∇≦ﾍ)… (≧∇≦)/┳━┳

(۶ૈ‡▼益▼)۶@ɐupɹɐs

┣ﾍ(≧∇≦ﾍ)… (≧∇≦)/┳━┳

pentavalentcarbon

@MAFIA36790 I usually get 8.

PhMgBr

@MAFIA36790 You need to stop eating fat first to avert the threat of heart-attack

!!untable

Chemobot

┳━┳ ヽ༼ಠل͜ಠ༽ﾉ

user116211

@PhMgBr I'm veggie.... and let it off....

Jan

11:25

@MAFIA36790 Starred for truth.

user116211

@Martin-マーチン: I wonder when people'd learn to compose a good title that highlights his query ;(

Martin - マーチン

never

Jan

2 mins ago, by Martin - マーチン

never

PhMgBr

11 secs ago, by Jan

2 mins ago, by Martin - マーチン

never

user116211

11:40

2 mins ago, by PhMgBr

11 secs ago, by Jan

2 mins ago, by Martin - マーチン

never

Jan

!!tea

Martin - マーチン

@maf i was faster ;)

Chemobot

user116211

@Martin-マーチン okayish... you are Zoom ;|

Martin - マーチン

please... I'm no villain...

user116211

11:44

@Martin-マーチン Zoom has a real point to be villain....

PhMgBr

@Martin-マーチン Turns out the only people that say that are the evil masterminds behind stuff

Martin - マーチン

!!doubleflip/mwahaha

PhMgBr

Chemobot

ɐɥɐɥɐʍɯ︵╰(゜Д゜)╯︵ɯʍɐɥɐɥɐ

PhMgBr

@Mart, you're like, not twelve

Please visit here to know how to make a good title. — MAFIA36790 16 mins ago

Magisch

11:46

This is where PhMgBr is hiding

user116211

!!greet/@Magisch

PhMgBr

@MAF I have something way better you could link to

Chemobot

Welcome to The Periodic Table @Magisch! Here are our chat guidelines and it's recommended that you read them. If you want to turn Mathjax on, follow the instructions in this answer. Happy chatting!

Jan

@Magisch Where else would a Grignard feel at home?

PhMgBr

@Magisch En Garde

!!gun

Chemobot

11:46

( ͝ಠ ʖ ಠ)=ε/̵͇̿̿/’̿’̿ ̿

Magisch

!!sword

Jan

@PhMgBr Only if you lack respect for the younger xD

PhMgBr

@Magisch That doesn't work

Magisch

@PhMgBr I noticed

PhMgBr

@Jan Who does that remind me of?

user116211

11:47

@Magisch !!flip/@Magisch

Chemobot

( つ•̀ω•́)つ@ɯɐƃᴉsɔɥ

Jan

@Magisch @hippa Feature request!

user116211

@PhMgBr I'm always paying heed to your advice.....

Magisch

!!/flipMAFIA36790

PhMgBr

@Hipp is busy dodging exams so he won't be able to process FR's for now.

@MAFIA36790 Yay, here it is

user116211

11:49

@Jan hmm... don't disturb the poor guy....

Martin - マーチン

1 min ago, by PhMgBr

@Magisch That doesn't work

PhMgBr

@MAF meta.ell.stackexchange.com/questions/2630/…

Martin - マーチン

Hipp is already working on some other features...

Jan

I thought dodging exams was a great time to process feature requests xD You do have time xD

PhMgBr

It's a bit specialized for ELL, but it still is much better than no-tutorials in meta.SE.

Martin - マーチン

11:50

mainly the daily command, that seems to be a bit broken...

user116211

7

A: Main Chatroom Etiquette Guidelines

Hi there ! I'm Chemobot, the Periodic Table's bot ! I provide various commands in the chatroom. Available commands : For everyone : Meta: !!help : I will link you here Utility: !!img/molecule_identifier : I will send you a picture of the requested compound if I can find it. The iden...

Chemobot

PhMgBr

@Jan His problem is he's dodging exams in exams.

Martin - マーチン

@Chemobot where did that came from?

PhMgBr

!!img/phenylmagnesium bromide

user116211

11:51

@Chemobot !!!gun

Chemobot

̿’ ̿’\\̵͇̿̿\\з=(ಥДಥ)=ε/̵͇̿̿/’̿’̿

Magisch

I see

Im not a chemist

PhMgBr

@Martin-マーチン This bot is haunted

Magisch

I dropped chemistry in 10th grade

user116211

@Magisch How????????

Martin - マーチン

11:52

no worries...

Jan

!!img/pyridine

Chemobot

user116211

@PhMgBr: Do you deem it apt to link a non-meta site?

Magisch

@MAFIA36790 My school allowed me to drop either chemistry, biology or physics in 10th grade

user116211

@Magisch That's ridiculous!!

Martin - マーチン

11:53

!!img/azidine

PhMgBr

@MAFIA36790 Where?

Chemobot

PhMgBr

@Magisch Dropping Magisch's school

user116211

@PhMgBr anywhere to link someone; for reference.

Martin - マーチン

@Chemobot interesting but no

!!wiki/azidine

Chemobot

11:54

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/azidine

PhMgBr

@MAFIA36790 I mean where is it you're linking to that's not meta?

Magisch

!!img/butiric acid

Chemobot

user116211

@Magisch We have to study Physics, Chemistry, Biology, Earth Science in first two years of undergraduation....

PhMgBr

@Magisch Check your molecule's name.

user116211

11:55

@PhMgBr Meta Stack Exchange.

Magisch

10th grade is high school level in germany

PhMgBr

@MAFIA36790 How is meta.SE not a meta?

@Magisch Crap, you're from Germany too?

user116211

@PhMgBr You're not getting my words.

PhMgBr

@MAFIA36790 Then give me clear sentences.

Jan

Noooo, even more Germans D=

Magisch

11:56

@PhMgBr Indeed

Jan

(Check out German.SE ;) )

Loong

@Jan :-D

PhMgBr

@Magisch This chat is LITERALLY full of Germans.

I think one more German and it'll throw an exception or something.

Martin - マーチン

lol

Loong

@PhMgBr critical mass?

PhMgBr

11:58

Satirical mass

user116211

@PhMgBr What I'm asking is whether you deem it to link as reference posts other than meta chem and mother meta.... you linked me the English one....

PhMgBr

Why not? Meta is meta.

When I get more time I'll write a chem-specialized one.

user116211

Then I can link Physics meta post at chem se.... okay @PhMgBr

Jan

@PhMgBr But none of us is talking about Turkey or Erdogan D=

PhMgBr

@MAFIA36790 Not HW. We've got our own HW.

@Jan You're talking about chemistry.

user116211

12:02

@PhMgBr Exactly that's what I'm asserting....

Loong

@Jan that would be a satirical mess

user116211

meanwhile, I wanted to ask....

PhMgBr

@MAFIA36790 We don't have our own title FAQ.

user116211

@PhMgBr That's why I linked mother meta.

Jan

At least it seems that the affairs didn't reach Iran's headlines or Grignard's reaction would have been different ;)

user116211

12:03

@mart do you follow Flash?

PhMgBr

@MAFIA36790 I still don't understand why you think linking other meta, where suitable, might be wrong.

Jan

Let's test @Chemobot !!img/epothilon

Chemobot

Jan

Awww =C

user116211

@PhMgBr I'm not saying anything... I just wanted to know from you.

PhMgBr

12:04

Physics have changed their policy. You don't make sense if you link HW to them because ATM Chem has a different HW policy.

Martin - マーチン

@MAFIA36790 the tv series?

user116211

@Martin-マーチン yup!

PhMgBr

@Martin-マーチン The player.

Which appears on sketchy sites.

Martin - マーチン

yeah a bit...

it's becoming a bit silly for my taste

user116211

@Martin-マーチン you follow the comics?

user116211

12:05

@Martin-マーチン :((

Martin - マーチン

no not the comics...

user116211

@Martin-マーチン come at

user116211

Agents of Absence

nobody lives here anymore.

user116211

when you've time.

Martin - マーチン

ohhh I like Agents of SHIELD

user116211

12:08

@Martin-マーチン I don't follow Marvel....

user116211

well except the cartoon shows....

Martin - マーチン

arrow, flash, legends... i only use that as background noise... i don't find it very interesting anymore...

constantine was great, but they killed that already...

user116211

@Martin-マーチン I hate it.... there has been a protest for the renewal but of no avail.

user116211

Oliver Queen once said....

user116211

> Constantine is in hell.

pentavalentcarbon

12:15

@PhMgBr Germans and high school students.

PhMgBr

@pentavalentcarbon Oh, how many do we got actually?

I mean, I only can count three high school students

pentavalentcarbon

only 3

PhMgBr

Yeah

3.14

pentavalentcarbon

I think that's a lot considering how many people are normally here.

Jan

Those moments when the lab scales say -0.5 mg, but the NMR turns out beautiful …

PhMgBr

12:18

@Jan . . . we use incorrect ellipsisses.

@pentavalentcarbon Counting that third person, I think up to twenty.

Jan

@PhMgBr You do, I don’t.

Martin - マーチン

@Jan why you never answer my question?

Jan

@Martin-マーチン Question? I must have missed it …

PhMgBr

@Jan O RLY, go type \ldots and see what shows up.

Martin - マーチン

Wouldn't a more accurate way of determining it be getting an NOESY? — Martin - マーチン ♦ yesterday

Jan

12:21

@PhMgBr Go type Alt-0133 on Windows or Alt Gr+. on a proper Linux with the correct keyboard layout and wazzah.

user116211

..... $\ldots$

PhMgBr

@Jan Oh I see where the problem is. You expect programmers rather than typographers know correct typography.

@MAFIA36790 !!gun

Chemobot

ヽ༼xل͜x༽ﾉ <===== ̿’ ̿’\\̵͇̿̿\\з༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ ε/̵͇̿̿/’̿’̿ =====> ヽ༼xل͜x༽ﾉ

Jan

@Martin-マーチン Oh that one. Yeah, sure, of course, but my supervisor told me to just use the 1H chemical shift (which is admittedly quicker) and so I went to research how it actually worked. (Skipped half the story here but you get the picture.)

Martin - マーチン

@Jan ahhh... a supervisor too cheap to do the actual research...

Jan

12:23

(I actually suggested NOESY when talking to him)

No, the supervisor assumed that it was common knowledge and extremely easy and I was questioning the 'easy' and 'common knowledge' part.

Martin - マーチン

as you should

Jan

Allow me to delete that message in half a minute ;)

Martin - マーチン

lol

PhMgBr

@Jan Knowing what?

Plot twist: @Jan's supervisor is @Loong

Martin - マーチン

:29138437 what a <insert bad word>!

Jan

12:25

@PhMgBr Knowing me, knowing gnu.

Loong

@PhMgBr (…)

PhMgBr

@Jan Oh, they say knowing thyself is thy key to thy success

Jan

@Loong does typography and IUPAC. He cannot be ;)

PhMgBr

@Jan He is deceiving. :P

Jan

Alright, let me put it this way: Had Loong been my supervisor, he would have fired me months ago ;)

Aaa~nd back to work I go ^^

Martin - マーチン

12:27

It's awkward when you think you imagine an earthquake and then everybody is talking about it.

user116211

!!greet/@Seanharrs

Chemobot

Welcome to The Periodic Table @Seanharrs! Here are our chat guidelines and it's recommended that you read them. If you want to turn Mathjax on, follow the instructions in this answer. Happy chatting!

PhMgBr

@Martin-マーチン I always notice earthquakes after they've ended.

"Oh, the Earth stopped moving. Abnormal"

Martin - マーチン

@PhMgBr sometimes... that might be too late

user116211

@Martin-マーチン telepathy.

PhMgBr

12:29

@Martin-マーチン Chemicals don't die.

Martin - マーチン

@MAFIA36790 nah.... it was real jma.go.jp/en/quake/20160420212343395-202119.html

user116211

@Martin-マーチン I thought telepathy is real :(

user116211

@DeNiSkA: oh! Where were you so long?

user116211

@Martin-マーチン You felt that now?

DeNiSkA

@MAFIA36790 huh.... i have dozens of exams to prepare for, so i am very busy now a days

"Haikus are awesome" what does this mean?

user116211

12:36

!!wiki/haikus

Chemobot

Haiku

Haiku (俳句, listen ) (plural haiku) is a very short form of Japanese poetry. It is typically characterised by three qualities: The essence of haiku is "cutting" (kiru). This is often represented by the juxtaposition of two images or ideas and a kireji ("cutting word") between them, a kind of verbal punctuation mark which signals the moment of separation and colors the manner in which the juxtaposed elements are related. Traditional haiku consist of 17 on (also known as morae though often loosely translated as "syllables"), in three phrases of 5, 7, and 5 on respectively. A kigo (seasonal reference...

DeNiSkA

O-O

by the way! bye @MAFIA36790
see you again :)

pentavalentcarbon

@PhMgBr Wait, you have statistics for the chat room?

PhMgBr

@pentavalentcarbon You can easily get some from room info.

There's nothing to download though unless you do it manually.

PhMgBr

13:01

Happened to me more than once in SE chat.

Martin - マーチン

hahaha!

user116211

14:03

oh, damn, today is Hitler's birthday!

user116211

@Jan Wasn't the Nazi salute supposed to be done by right hand?

Jan

@MAFIA36790 Yeah, that's why. Or are you facing the back of my monitor?

user116211

@Jan Yes, I did it in that sense.

Jan

Oooh, I always assume people looking at me ^^'

user116211

@Jan no, you didn't get it.... I've my face in front of you.... but that man saluted him facing his back to the monitor; sometimes I'm pretty weird ;(

Jan

14:12

You have a man in your back? O____O

The people in my body only populate my brain and aren't seen from the outside …

user116211

For his decisions, germans lost WW2.... nonsense!

user116211

@Jan That man who saluted... i 'm not the guy who saluted him....

skill patrol

!!img/orthocresol

Jan

There's more than one person at your place? O_____O

Chemobot

skill patrol

14:14

@orthocresol^

Jan

@Chemobot That's not @orthoseal!

user116211

@Jan no; the man with the head o is not me.... he is just an old SS.....

Jan

This is so … scary, I'll have to go and drink some !!tea

Chemobot

user116211

sometimes, it is fun to troll someone ;P

skill patrol

14:27

abstrusegoose.com/395

orthocresol

14:45

@skillpatrol strictly speaking, my username should have a hyphen in it

@Jan it used to! until i became a seal..

Jan

@orthocresol's seal of quality ;)

Loong

!!img/2-methylphenol

Chemobot

Loong

hm, different image

Jan

!!img/2-hydroxytoluene

Chemobot

14:55

Jan

!!img/ortho-hydroxytoluene

Chemobot

user116211

Damn, I forgot to accept @Jan's ans ;P

Loong

!!img/InChI=1S/C7H8O/c1-6-4-2-3-5-7(6)8/h2-5,8H,1H3

Chemobot

CowperKettle

16:26

!!img/glycine

Chemobot

user116211

@cowper o/

CowperKettle

Good evening, @MAFIA36790!

ringo

16:42

@Loong I'm not as up-to-date on my nomenclature as you

obviously...

@Loong Are you recommending I change my answer or should I leave it as is

Loong

@ringo That's not your fault. Most websites and other free sources still use the 1993 edition.

@ringo I guess, this part is not really relevant for this question. And you already have my upvote.

CowperKettle

From the "tryptophan" page at Wiki:

> It contains an α-amino group (which is in the protonated –NH3+ form under biological conditions), an α-carboxylic acid group (which is in the deprotonated –COO− form under biological conditions)

Can there be a beta-carboxylic acid group?

user116211

@ringo @Loong is the boss of IUPAC.

CowperKettle

16:58

Can we be sure that the Chlorine will connect exactly at that spot?

Agents of Absence

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