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18:00
@IͶΔ yeah, that's definitely a good start for both the 'easily searchable' and 'gah, just look it up in a reference book!' sorts of questions.
we already have the medical close reason, we just need to extend that a little...
and finally draft a meta post about the guidance
<nod> the main reason for the medical close is avoiding legal problems, right?
@Brian It's the "general reference" close reason on language sites. "GO LOOK IN THE FRIGGING DICTIONARY YOU #$%^&*%#"
AH. "GR" = 'general reference'. Got it.
So if we do want a "GO LOOK UP THE FRIGGING GOLDBOOK/GOOGLE/LOONG" then it might have a similar wording.
18:02
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A: How should we approach questions asking for chemical hygiene or safety/medical advice?

AesinI'd go with sticking to hypotheticals with an understood disclaimer that nothing here should ever be regarded as medical advice - linking to and extrapolating from existing safety information seems reasonable but possibly off-topic in some cases. Getting specific and individual about personal dos...

that is the part where the medical reasoning comes from.
Should we try to lump the following two categories into one close reason?

1) 'easily googleable' and/or 'GO LOOK IT UP'
2) 'do my work for me'
it is a form of protecting us from giving bad advice
On the one hand: economy of close reasons = good.
On the other, the two seem pretty different
@Brian The latter is HW, the former is the GR we want to come up with.
@Martin-マーチン <nod>. Medical, controlled substances, and safety questions all seem to fall under this sort of umbrella
18:04
I think @IͶΔ and I were converging to Homework/exercise + Gen Ref + Med
Yep, I'd be good with those, I think. I really would like to include 'controlled substances' and 'safety' in with 'med', though
Some Qs in all of those categories give me the willies when contemplating answering
We need a close reason: "No. ಠ_ಠ"
And, rather than adding a 'migrate to Health.SE' option, a "if your question is medical in nature you might consider asking it on Health.SE" bit in the close text might be feasible?
Yeah.
Also the migrate paths are not coming.
Probably never.
@Martin-マーチン Not if we want them, but it seems we don't want them.
18:08
It's just no use. We have to few questions to migrate, it would make more work checking the migrations after they have been performed than before...
@IͶΔ We simply have not enough data to justify migration paths.
and I am uncertain if that will ever change
Somebody, I think it was @Martin-マーチン explained well why migration paths should be rarely used... only really good questions that are completely off topic are suitable for migration. If a question won't be kept open on the destination site, it's not a good candidate for migration.
@Brian Shog9?
Was I the one that showed you a link?
Deja Vu
Yeah, could've been. It was a while ago. 's hard for me to keep straight discussions in comments, they don't have the character of chat.
(Why have I not come in here sooner........??!?)
@Martin-マーチン I'm on board with these three custom closes.
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Q: When should we consider adding a default migration path?

Jon EricsonWhen users vote or flag to close a question that should be migrated to another site on the network, they usually can only choose to migrate to meta: Occasionally we get requests to add a new migration path, which can only be done by employees. Typically we reject such requests because migratio...

18:12
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Q: Enable migration paths to Physics and Biology

ringoAccording to an answer to this question, now that Chemistry.SE is out of beta, it is eligible to have migration paths to other sites. I think paths to Physics.SE and Biology.SE would be very helpful now that this is possible. Is this already in the works or is there somewhere we have to go to ask?

Okay, I'm going to bed now.
!!greet/@IͶΔ with a !!gun
@Brian Because you have a real life.
( メ▼Д▼)┏☆====(((_◇_)======⊃
Welcome to The Periodic Table @IͶΔ%20with%20a%20!!gun! Here are our chat guidelines and it's recommended that you read them. If you want to turn Mathjax on, make a bookmark of the link in this answer. Happy chatting!
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that was unexpected ;)
@pentavalentcarbon ಠ_ಠ !!table
(╯°□°)╯︵ (\ . 0 .)(/ ̄(エ) ̄)/ ⌒ ○┼<
18:17
!!untable
@Martin-マーチン おやすみなさい
what is even going on
Nothing
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@Martin-マーチン Finally! Good night!
オヤスミィィィィィィ
18:18
Shoots a sleeping dart at @Mart
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@Ramanewbie: Can you translate?
@MAFIA36790 That japanese up there ?
A translate option would be handy but unnecessary.
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@Ramanewbie Yep!
Unless I want to know what's going on in G-block.
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18:19
@IͶΔ Hahahah!
@MAFIA36790 Oyasumyi !!
Is it ? That's what Google Translate says.
I can't speek Japanese
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@Ramanewbie Damn!
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@Ramanewbie Write correct English words!
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But it was sweet!
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@IͶΔ: Let you speak in Persian.
18:21
Oh, sorry: yeah, oyasuminasai. Just means "good night".
Romanized Persian, or Persian Persian?
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@IͶΔ Whatever.
Mart's was oyasumiiii......
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@Brian Google translated Japanese to Japanese?
Why are so many dots necessary? (ノ^◡^)ノ︵ ┻━┻
@MAFIA36790 Is that a surprise to you?
18:22
@MAFIA36790 It translated Japanese sinograms to English kind of transcript.
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@Ramanewbie: Kinda smarter than Chemobot
@MAFIA36790 Not sure what happened. JP-->EN worked fine on it when I tried it.
@MAFIA36790 Might be...
@Brian hey, this is something that you might have been waiting for
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Q: Explaining Stack Overflow: Experimenting with About Pages

Jon ChanTL;DR We’re launching a series of tests designed to help us better educate new community members about Q&A and all the new products we’re launching. Many of you already know about all the new projects we’re building to serve programmers even better. We have a lot going on: Jobs has already shipp...

THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS.

THIS.
18:25
THHHHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS‌​SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
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@IͶΔ I knew it.....
TTTHHHHHHIIISSSSSSS won't end well.
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.........................
@IͶΔ Ahhhh... now that I read it, it's focused pretty tightly on the 'newbie user' side of things. My frustrations were more with learning the more subtle ropes of the site, after I'd gotten used to the basics of the model.
So, what I'm really interested is somewhat different than that.
Oh
Hmm, your only chance is asking veteraner users I believe.
Like me. :P
18:33
If that's the SE-model-approved way, then it might be helpful if it were noted somewhere.
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@IͶΔ Epic sarcasm
It's not noted anywhere.
I'm not sure how it would objectively be noted.
People don't stay interested like me.
They become more meh after being on meta.SE a lot.
<nod>
And meh people don't write boring FAQs.
They don't even write interesting FAQs.
!!greet/@JWise
Welcome to The Periodic Table @JWise! Here are our chat guidelines and it's recommended that you read them. If you want to turn Mathjax on, make a bookmark of the link in this answer. Happy chatting!
18:35
Honestly, the only meta.SE regular I see that is not in meh mode other than me is ShadowWizard.
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Good grief, that's a beefy profile
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Can anyone tell me what these blue lines are?
They look like they're marking crystallographic planes?
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I'm reading about Miller indices.
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18:37
@Brian Why are the orientations of these blue lines different in each plane?
@Brian It's pretty easy to get upvotes on bigger lands.
@MAFIA36790 Why are they different in each subfigure, you mean?
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@Brian yep
Good evening, @IͶΔ
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@CowperKettle: o/
18:38
Hi, @MAFIA36790!
Since when do pickles emit light?
They're illustrating where the planes fall for a given crystallographic orientation
I've got a small question.
Will dehydrogenation of a branched alkane always go in the position as in the picture?
@CowperKettle Evening
0
Q: Can vegetables give light?

NaenaePickles can give light when adding energy to it because of the Sodium-ions in it. What other vegetables have this characteristic? And what if I put random vegetables in salty solutions (like Strontium etc.), will they glow as well? Thank you in advance!

18:39
(d) looks like [100], (a) and (c) are maybe [110], and (b) appears to be [320]
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@CowperKettle so cute handwriting :)
(those are probably not exactly right)
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@Brian Yes!
@MAFIA36790 Sorry, not mine. (0:
@MAFIA36790 It's from a forum post.
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@Brian Why?
18:40
I wonder if there are some simple rules for branched alkane dehydrogenation.
@CowperKettle Of course not always, but I'm thinking of when it doesn't.
@IͶΔ If you pass enough current through one, it'll glow.
@MAFIA36790 Well, they might be [010] or [001], or [101] or something. The axes are labeled a and b, so they might be looking for a specific permutation of the Miller indices
@CowperKettle Wait, what exactly do you mean by position?
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@Brian: You are using [] not ()
18:41
@pentavalentcarbon FEAR THE INCANDESCENT PICKLE!!
@pentavalentcarbon O_O
@MAFIA36790 :-) Like I said, "probably not exactly right."
The only glowing green is radioactive goo.
@IͶΔ I mean, will the double bond appear always there, or it could appear in other positions too?
@CowperKettle Of course it could appear in other positions.
18:42
Don't do it, though, I don't think it's safe, because I think the required current might be high.
Also, don't play with your food.
@IͶΔ Thanks! I thought there were some rule, like Markovnikov Alkane Dehydrogenation Rule.
It's rude.
Yeah, a salty pickle would require a LOT of current to incandesce.
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@CowperKettle: You don't give me time to say a bye :(
@CowperKettle Depending on what you do to the poor thing, it'll lose different electrons.
@MAFIA36790 It doesn't usually qualify as leaving.
Many mechanisms will yield more than one major product.
He comes back.
He ALWAYS comes back
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18:44
@IͶΔ You remind me of The Brook by Lord Tennyson.
He has a weak internet connection
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@Brian: The Blue lines are denoting the orientation of the planes through the crystal points?
@Sᴋᴜʟʟᴘᴇᴛʀᴏʟ Who? Cowper?
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@Sᴋᴜʟʟᴘᴇᴛʀᴏʟ No; he leaves
18:46
@MAFIA36790 Yes -- the figures are drawn with you looking along the c axis, and the planes are rising straight out of the page.
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@Sᴋᴜʟʟᴘᴇᴛʀᴏʟ: Saw it?
He never remains in one chat.
Nope, he's just like that.
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@Brian: Thanks.
I see, I stand corrected :)
Oh, I just came to the sad realization that our chat figures have stopped chat figurizing.
Meaning,
we used to choose shapes.
I was a chemical.
Jan was a demon.
@Mith was a bald eagle.
18:48
@MAFIA36790 A great verse, thank you.
user116211
Here he comes
@Cowper was a kettle.
@pentavalentcarbon People have stopped being things.
@IͶΔ Well, mine is a picture of me, and I'm still me.
18:49
@pH13 was a bunch of orbitals.
Same goes for Brian...
Bon was squaric acid.
@pentavalentcarbon Whoa, you're still you?!
!!table
user116211
> For men may come and men may go,
But I go on for ever.
@IͶΔ oh ho ho ho ho ho surprise!
(ノ-_-)ノ・・・~┻┻
18:51
Oh, I have no imagination for these sorts of things. Thus my impeccably boring handle.
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@IͶΔ I was always a dog!
@MAFIA36790 Yo dawg
@Brian You're a brain I reckon?
Medical tests have confirmed irrefutably that I possess brain matter.
Confirmation of useful exploitation thereof remains pending.
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@Brian Doesn't your presence in MIT confirm that?
18:54
@Brian Fragile. Handle with care
;-( My ego, my precious, precious ego!!11!!11!!1
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@Brian: Wait, I remember a guy....wait....
In all seriousness, I do think I did and am doing good work. It's not especially groundbreaking or newsworthy, though.
I wonder when I'm going to be able to say that, if ever.
I mean... not many people really care about peroxynitrous acid, right?

http://chemistry.stackexchange.com/questions/48641/is-peroxynitrous-acid-an-isomer-of-nitric-acid/48648#48648
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A: Is peroxynitrous acid an isomer of nitric acid?

Brian Keeping aside its stability and considering only their structure and structural formula, is peroxynitrous acid an isomer of nitric acid? Yes. It seems that peroxynitrous acid is a very, very unstable compound and I hardly doubt that it has been synthesised in pure, stable form. This vide...

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19:00
And here he is:
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Theodore John "Ted" Kaczynski (/kəˈzɪnski/; born May 22, 1942), also known as the "Unabomber", is an American anarchist, mathematical prodigy, and domestic terrorist. Between 1978 and 1995, Kaczynski engaged in a nationwide bombing campaign against people involved with modern technology, planting or mailing numerous homemade bombs, ultimately killing a total of three people and injuring 23 others. He is also known for his wide-ranging social critiques, which opposed industrialization and modern technology while advancing a nature-centered form of anarchism. Kaczynski was born and raised in Evergreen...
@IͶΔ You will. Slow, steady work is the key.
@MAFIA36790 Oh, CRAP. I need to shave my beard, PRONTO.
@Brian Or maybe studying and going to the university?
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@Brian: ^^^
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@Brian HaHaHa.
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19:01
How a prodigy turned into bomber.
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@IͶΔ: This guy is the loneliest, I suppose
Stupid.
@IͶΔ Mm, sorry -- I'd assumed that was the case already.
If I were a prodigy, I would've . . . I WOULD'VE . . . done something other than bombing some place.
@Brian I'm 17.
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@IͶΔ Like?
19:04
Like not bombing some place.
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@IͶΔ :)
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Ahimsa!
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He is a bit crackpot, I suppose.
@MAFIA36790 You only suppose?
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How could he defend his thesis if no one could understand it?
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19:05
@pentavalentcarbon Assumption is good. Speculation is better.
@MAFIA36790 Can't say I've heard that one before.
@MAFIA36790 Years Months Days of meta participation told me that it's your problem if you can't convince people, not theirs.
Not sure where you're located, @IͶΔ, but here in the States the primary and secondary education systems can be horrible for smart people. They set a pace that can be painfully slow, and use a teaching style that doesn't always work well. I can empathize if you've got something like that going on.
@Brian It's worse here. Much worse.
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@IͶΔ He just resigned from his professorship just to make bombs?
19:08
Why are you asking me?
@IͶΔ :(
@MAFIA36790 The man had serious mental problems.
:( indeed
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@Brian: Everything is great in India!
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@Brian He could use his intellect to teach others.
Could.
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19:10
@IͶΔ That's the difference.
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19:25
@Chemobot: o/
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Where did you go?
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!!table
(ノಥДಥ)ノ︵┻━┻・/
(┛◉Д◉)┛彡┻━┻
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Ha!
19:26
!!gun
( φ_<)r┬ ━━━━━━…=>
̿̿ ̿̿ ̿’̿’̵͇̿̿з=༼ ▀̿̿Ĺ̯̿̿▀̿ ̿ ༽
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@Ramanewbie: Your brother?
@MAFIA36790 What do you mean ?
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@Ramanewbie Let it off..... I thought Chemobot was your bro.
19:32
@MAFIA36790 Hippalectryon is, indeed.
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@Ramanewbie He is your Master!
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But I like bro-relationship too!
@Ramanewbie Wait, literally?
@IͶΔ about what ?
About @Hipp being your brother.
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19:34
@IͶΔ: I hate explaining him what I want to mean.
@MAFIA36790 Someone isn't the master of his brother...
@IͶΔ Yes.
O_O
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o.O
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@IͶΔ: He is trolling us.
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!!gun
19:35
(メ▼▼)┏)゚o゚)
[ノಠೃಠ]︻̷┻̿═━一
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@Chemobot: You need to be faster!
@Ramanewbie Where are you from?
@IͶΔ France.
O_O CPU Fail
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19:36
@Ramanewbie: Are you really a bot?
@MAFIA36790 As I explained, I am a bot but also a normal user.
It's just that the bot uses my account to talk, actually...
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@Ramanewbie: So also Chemobot?
D0000000000d,
I did not see this coming.
@MAFIA36790 Chemobot is a pure bot, yes.
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@Ramanewbie: Oh! I got it!
19:38
A re-welcome to The Periodic Table @Rama; sorry if we're sometimes idiots.
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The consciousness comes from real man in blood!
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And there is a bot within you!
@IͶΔ Great !
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@Ramanewbie: I agree with IͶΔ that you are cyborg.
No wonder there's a French space before your punctuation marks.
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19:39
Sorry for all those misinterpretations!
I should get to sleep, night y'all \o
@IͶΔ Good night then...
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@IͶΔ: You told that before me?
@MAFIA36790 What is 'cyborg' ?
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Good night.
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19:40
!!wiki/Cyborg
A cyborg (short for "cybernetic organism") is a being with both organic and biomechatronic body parts. The term was coined in 1960 by Manfred Clynes and Nathan S. Kline. The term cyborg is not the same thing as bionic, biorobot or android; it applies to an organism that has restored function or enhanced abilities due to the integration of some artificial component or technology that relies on some sort of feedback. While cyborgs are commonly thought of as mammals, including humans, they might also conceivably be any kind of organism. It is hypothesized that cyborg technology will form a part of...
A cyborg (short for "cybernetic organism") is a being with both organic and biomechatronic body parts. The term was coined in 1960 by Manfred Clynes and Nathan S. Kline. The term cyborg is not the same thing as bionic, biorobot or android; it applies to an organism that has restored function or enhanced abilities due to the integration of some artificial component or technology that relies on some sort of feedback. While cyborgs are commonly thought of as mammals, including humans, they might also conceivably be any kind of organism. It is hypothesized that cyborg technology will form a part of...
@MAFIA36790 I get it.
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@DeNiSkA: You didn't sleep?
@MAFIA36790 no, we don't sleep too early
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19:42
oh! Too early.
yup, i sleep at 3'o clock
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@DeNiSkA Oh! Too late
it has become habit!
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You wake up at?
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3?
19:43
7'o clock
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oh.
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@DeNiSkA: Take this seriously:
@MAFIA36790 what?
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You should have to take a sound sleep of at least 6hrs; don't under-estimate sleep.....
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@DeNiSkA wait... I'm not Flash ;/
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19:46
Decreasing the sleeping-duration or sleeping late at night increases the risk of heart-attack.
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Brain activity decreases gradually as the night darkens to ultimately dawn....
@MAFIA36790 but a student should have a usual of 4 to 4.5 hours of sleep not 6 hours
@DeNiSkA That's insane. No.
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@DeNiSkA Well, I don't believe...
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A student needs 6 hrs sleep; that's must.
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19:48
Or prepare for the premature death.
@DeNiSkA Minimum 7, preferably 8-9, unless your body chemistry prevents it.
it is quite tough for me to sleep for 7 hours, after 4 or 5 hours i will automatically wake !!
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@DeNiSkA okay at-least 5hrs. That's okay.
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But not less!\
@DeNiSkA If you do, that's fine. It's that it's bad to force yourself to sleep that little.
19:50
but for my stupid school i have to wake :( and my sleep time reduces to 4 hours
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@pentavalentcarbon: I automatically wake up after 6hrs of sleep.... beyond that my head cracks!
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@DeNiSkA Early morning school?
@MAFIA36790 yup :_( i hate going to school
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@DeNiSkA Well, I never relied on school, never
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Want to know my attendance?
19:52
@MAFIA36790 you don't go to school?
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Throughout the whole last year, I went for two and a half weeks to school.
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@DeNiSkA You can say that. Time-waste, purely.
WTH!!
yup school is a time waste!
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I was threatened I couldn't take exams..... but well, I've given my boards :)
@MAFIA36790 cbse?
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19:54
But my school was really cooperative with me.
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@DeNiSkA No.
@MAFIA36790 because you are intelligent
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State board in name but cbse by heart
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@DeNiSkA no!
@MAFIA36790 now-a-days cbse is also losing it's standard, our school can be best example
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19:57
@DeNiSkA That depends on teachers. Apart from the biology teacher, all the others were a total crap.... but they were really good in behaviour and saved me in practicals.... I hardly attained practical
@MAFIA36790 our school is factory of :
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@DeNiSkA Hahahaha!

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