thanks a lot!

@Binary hullo!

dont mention it :)

@kram1032 Hullo!

@MARamezani Hi!

@Binary it feels good to mess with the identicon, doesn't it?

Sure does @MARamezani

Gimme a minute, I wanna read the transcripts @MARamezani

Now if only this data set would be JUST the ratios :D - Anyway, this should help a lot

hi @MARamezani

@BinaryGeek Good luck with that!

@kram1032 If this is your first time in chat? If so, welcome!

Leave while you can...

@kram1032 i went through a few , i think the maximum ratio i saw was ~2

@MARamezani I was in a couple other SE chats. I think it's my first time in chemistry

(Also I'm actually about to change location and thus leave lol)

(cu a little later, maybe)

@kram1032 Welcome to the chemistry chat, then!

@MARamezani I just gave up. Just too much of it

@BinaryGeek Mwahahahhaha! I've revived the place.

With trivial help from @santiago, @adg, @gotham, and finally, emperor @ron and @Martin.

Definitely

TRIVIAL.

And this might be coming a bit late, but congratulations on being room owner!

Tanks!

@MARamezani Gotta go. TTYL

Later!

this place has become so lively for everyone to come daily and interact.

@ADG Hullo!

chemistry.stackexchange.com/questions/29627/… , chemistry.stackexchange.com/questions/29326/…, chemistry.stackexchange.com/questions/29508/…

same question 3 users O.o

@Gowtham Nice catch!

same question 3 users O.o

We sometimes need these kinda alerts.

Tavern has it the right way!

I remembered the question only after i edited it lol, waste of editing ~_~

@Gowtham Don't worry. I'll make sure we delete that question and get that 2 rep outta your mouth.

nooooo , my precious reputation !!

Your life depends on them!

@Martin Thanks @Martin!

Ah, it feels nice to @Martin-ify comments.

Hullo @santiago.

hi @MARamezani!

I just saw that I am close to 1k

Oh no!

lol

Only 8 rep!

Let me downvote you there.

ha ha ha ha

@Gowtham ah thanks, 2 is definitely a lot lower than 20. I'll go through all of them but I would really be surprised if any of them were even remotely close to 20

ah already the second on the list has 4:1

@santiago Have fun editing! Just +1'd one of the few answers you got that I hadn't already.

lol - woohoo!

hmmm tags...

@santiago It took me a quarter to find out which answer I didn't upvote...

lol, thank you muchly!

Anytime! (That I haven't upvoted)

hmm not all of those even have ratios. Though I hope there aren't too crazy outliers out there. 4:1 already seems pretty crazy

@kram1032 Hmm, hullo! What was your original question? Coordination-chem?

@MARamezani I need to know a reasonable upper bound for the ratio of the shortest to the longest unit cell vector for naturally existing crystals

Like, Bravais lattices?

thus far in the list @Gowtham found for me, the largest one was 4.46:1

yeah

I'm gonna study them after I got to a reasonable level of understanding of organochem.

learning for a test? :)

No. Learning cuz I like learning.

(I'm studying Physics, by the way, and as such I know barely anything about Chemistry. Though I do need this for the project I'm currently assigned to)

(Basically I roughly know school-level physics plus a bit more about orbitals since that was covered in Physics too :D )

My uncle studies the same thing for his project too. He's an Iranian though.

ah yeah, learning for learning's sake. That's always nice

@kram1032 Trivia: Why are s,p,d and f orbitals called that way?

If I recall correctly, sharp, something something, fuzzy

the way the corresponding orbitals show up in spectral lines

I forgot p and d

diffuse

what was p

Principle.

principle? What kind of line-appearance is "principle"? lol

Oh, misspelling!

honestly I feel like "diffuse" and "fuzzy" already are kinda redundant

I meant principal.

@kram1032 All of them are.

Principal because those looked very much like Hydrogen's spectral lines.

I mean the pattern.

ah I see

makes sense

so that one's actually not named by its, uh, shape

the line's shape I mean

Yes.

I've learned all this way back but when we learned about the names of the orbitals in relationship to the spectral lines they cause, we didn't get, like, a picture showing off what's meant by those corresponding names

though I did some optics experiments which involved looking at spectra, so I probably have seen at least a few of those lines already. For instance, the light of a sodium lamp

@kram1032 RESEARCH! Or I'll vote to close!

lol

Well, I'm too young for all of this experiment jazz.

16 ya know.

heh

well it's not exactly research yet. It was just a couple mandatory practica with very well-understood experiments. Especially those optics experiments could almost certainly be done in any reasonably equipped school. (Some of the other experiments involved rather expensive equipment you'll probably not find everywhere)

nor coloration

@kram1032 A lot of discoveries have been made when conducting well-known experiments!

Example is, PTFE.

@MARamezani yeah. Not the way most of us (including me) did those experiments though lol. I mean, they were technically interesting, but often the execution was boring as heck. Many of them would probably be done today using a computer. (In some cases we actually did use a computer and sensors to collect and interpret data, but not in all the cases where that would have been both feasible and welcome)

Yeah...Computers suck! They lack the color...

huh

not all the experiments were optical in nature

and I welcomed it when we could use computers

Color in some senses mean variation.

It's a language sense!

ah

Not nerdy sense.

Well technically color is purely psychological / neurological. The nerdy version would probably be energy-, frequency- or wavelength-spectrum or something like that. (And there were a few experiments involving spectra beyond the visible light in which case computers were the only way to go)

Sheesh!

And then I call other people in ELL's chat philosophical.

another word not to spell without ratio: Exploration

Hmm, are you a native English speaker?

ELL? Is that, like, English Language Learning or something?

nope German

you?

@kram1032 Try ell.stackexchange.com.

@kram1032 Iranian, just as the profile says.

LearnERS. Close enough

@kram1032 ANOTHER GERMAN!

ah, like your uncle then

I thought Chem.SE is flooded with Indians...

Austrian, really, though my native language is thus German

@kram1032 Oh, so not German German?

yeah, lol. Though for the most part it's the same language. Roughly like American and British English or something

wow, Clairite apparently has a ratio of 1:5.75. I guess it can happen with such complicated molecules

Oh god no. What. Sterlinghillite has an insane ratio of 694.65:1. Not helpful, nature. No. Bad nature.

Haha!

I'm watching The great times by Charlie Chaplin