The Periodic Table

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Martin

03:50

@ron If you have not done it yet, here is the original Help Vampire post and a short guideline, how the "problem" should be dealt with on meta.se.

@santiago Nice to hear that :D

4 hours later…

santiago

07:39

Physiotherapy done for the day - the prognosis is looking far better!

2 hours later…

Martin

09:28

@santiago Yay, that sound s good.

@MARamezani

We should talk about textbook-erratum

I am not so much pleased with the idea calling it just erratum

and not so convinced, that academic-erratum is a little bit too broad

I wanted to spy at physics, but the tag wiki is empty :(, but they have the same tag as we do

2 hours later…

MARamezani

12:02

@santiago Yay!

@Martin I'm all ears.

Though some parts of me have spontaneously been substituted with phenyl mouthane.

I'm available for some 8 hours.

@Martin sheesh.

I think choosing a name for this thing is very hard.

Martin

12:30

@MARamezani I don't have time today, tomorrow is a holiday here and i am going out now... see ya soon

MARamezani

@Martin Martin what about the name Misconceptions?

@Martin Bye anyways.

I'm gonna think about fancy tag names and will come to you.

Del Pate

13:19

This is not fair!!!

[insert swear word]

MARamezani

Swear word!

Hullo!

Del Pate

hello!!

MARamezani

@DelPate It's never fair.

Del Pate

Good!!

Better than last time. Atleast I am not alone on chat today!!

MARamezani

Yay!

BTW you were talking about the unfairness.

Which highly upvoted answer bothers you?

Del Pate

13:21

I am never online when @Martin @ManishEarth @ron @Gowtham @santiago @MARamezani @ADG @EroSɘnnin are online and chatting. :(

MARamezani

Haha! In your face!

Mwahhhahahahhhahahahhaha etc.

Del Pate

-_-

MARamezani

BTW I wish I was lucky like you.

Del Pate

How am I lucky? @MARamezani

MARamezani

Sometimes talking with ADG is like carrying a ton on your shoulders.

But yeah, missing a talk with @Martin is grievance.

OR @RON!

Del Pate

13:27

MARamezani

Pets Del affectionately

But wait!

There's hope.

We're chatting in the cabin:

ELL's Cabin

This is the former main chat room for English Language Learner...

You can come if you want.

Also, I can express some of my opinions freely in there.

Del Pate

Like?

MARamezani

Opinions about some users.

Del Pate

Homework chemistry.stackexchange.com/q/29501/13339

MARamezani

~~Backbiting~~ XD

Del Pate

13:30

But anyone can read the chat right?

MARamezani

If they find the messages...

Del Pate

Delete?

Gowtham

basically scroll through one site's chat transcript to know there are more messages in another chat and scroll more to find something :D

MARamezani

@Gowtham Oooof. That needs some temperament.

@DelPate I usually don't get to follow what people were talking in busy streets of some chats.

Del Pate

@Gowtham you there?

Gowtham

13:35

ya sup

Del Pate

Shall we go to that chatroom?

Gowtham

sure , or keep both open :D even better ;)

Del Pate

English Learning Cabin.

MARamezani

Everyone's here.

Del Pate

Alright then. :)

MARamezani

13:36

Dunno.

I have both thingie's open already.

I have a question.

Del Pate

I see. You are already in there. @Gowtham

Gowtham

yep

@MARamezani watt ?

Freddy

same four people in both the rooms

MARamezani

Why is Zaitsev's rule happening?

Chatting in two chats

Now that's tech.

Del Pate

Yeah @Freddy

And @MARamezani asks me to come over there -_-

MARamezani

13:40

Doesn't really differ now.

My question?

2 mins ago, by MARamezani

Why is Zaitsev's rule happening?

@Del do you know the reason?

Gowtham

@MARamezani i dont remember too much about the rule, looking up, give me few mins

Del Pate

Hyperconjugation

MARamezani

@Gowtham Take a look at Wikipedia:

Zaitsev's rule

Zaitsev's rule (or Saytseff's rule) is an empirical rule for predicting the favored alkene product(s) in elimination reactions. While at the University of Kazan, Russian chemist Alexander Zaitsev studied a variety of different elimination reactions and observed a general trend in the resulting alkenes. Based on this trend, Zaitsev stated, "The alkene formed in greatest amount is the one that corresponds to removal of the hydrogen from the β-carbon having the fewest hydrogen substituents." For example, when 2-iodobutane is treated with alcoholic KOH, 2-butene is the major product and 1-butene is...

@DelPate But they said it's empirical.

They're usually right.

Del Pate

Hyperconjugation, which describes the stabilizing interaction between the HOMO of the alkyl group and the LUMO of the double bond, also helps explain the influence of alkyl substitutions on the stability of alkenes. In regards to orbital hybridization, a bond between an sp2 carbon and an sp3 carbon is stronger than a bond between two sp3-hybridized carbons. Computations reveal a dominant stabilizing hyperconjugation effect of 6 kcal/mol per alkyl group.

Copied from that wikipedia page

MARamezani

Aha!

I just saw the rule in my Organochem textbook.

And found the Wikipedia page almost recently.

(When I figured out how to pronounce the guy's name in English)

Freddy

13:44

chemistry.stackexchange.com/questions/29500/…

MARamezani

@DelPate BTW blockquotes work here too.

Freddy

Does this question requires all this detailed answers. I think it will confuse OP

MARamezani

@Freddy I like confusions!

Hullo emperor @ron!

ron

Good morning everyone, wanted to stop by and say good morning!

@Marin, thanks for the vampire link

Freddy

It is not for you! :)

Gowtham

13:46

@Freddy ya , i tried to keep it simple , this new answer is going the whole 9 yards

Freddy

@ron Good morning

MARamezani

@ron Ah, so you're leaving?

ron

in a few

MARamezani

Good moaning BTW.

Or good mourning.

Whichever fits better.

ron

@Santiago glad you're on the mend

Freddy

13:47

@Gowtham I know new one is too detailed

ron

@MARamezani yes, today it is good morning!

anything major happening?

Gowtham

nothing much

Del Pate

Yes. @ron

MARamezani

> Zaitsev and Markovnikov both studied under Alexander Butlerov, taught at the University of Kazan during the same period, and were bitter rivals.

Interesting!

Del Pate

I am online and so is everyone else.

ron

13:48

@DelPate what?

MARamezani

@ron His being able to chat is a bliss.

Freddy

@DelPate Interesting

MARamezani

@ron BTW, can't remember anything more important than graduation.

Freaks out again

ron

who graduated?

you?

MARamezani

But my close votes privileges...

Del Pate

13:50

The site @ron

MARamezani

@ron Nah. Chem.SE graduation.

ron

@MARamezani Ah

MARamezani

Screw close votes!

Freddy

@ron what you think about this

MARamezani

I'll flag and get my Marshal badge!

Freddy

13:51

what will you flag? @MARamezani

ron

@@Freddy looks interesting, I'll give it a read later, but no organic molecules!

MARamezani

@Freddy When I won't be able to close anymore, I'll flag all those homework craps. MWAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHA etc.

Del Pate

@ron Do you research?

MARamezani

@ron Then no interesting. I'm studying organochem recently BTW.

Gowtham

@ron hmm is water inorganic ?

ron

13:53

@DelPate I research for chem se

Del Pate

Yes @Gowtham

MARamezani

@Gowtham Yep.

Organic, with a very crude definition, has to have a C.

ron

@Gowtham ah, it's the "simple" questions that cause trouble

Gowtham

hmm ok

Del Pate

@ron Seriously. You have published something?

ron

13:55

You want to hear a funny chem story, it'll take me a minute to type it?

MARamezani

@ron I do I do!

Del Pate

If you are asking me, yes. @ron

Freddy

@Gowtham Organic compounds contain carbon bonds in which at least one carbon atom is covalently linked to an atom of another type (commonly hydrogen, oxygen, or nitrogen).

ron

Don't know if its true, but it was passed on to me

Do you guys no who Woodward was?

MARamezani

@ron A human?

ron

13:56

I mean the chemist, have you heard of him?

Freddy

@ron You mean bob woodward

Del Pate

Yes