The Periodic Table

Martin

03:48

@MARamezani Yeah!

@LordStryker Or ignore... life is too short...

@LordStryker Did they at least say Hi or something? It sounds rather rude to me.

Tesla

07:20

Hi

LordStryker

10:49

@Martin nope no hi or anything

Martin

11:09

Hi @Tesla!

@LordStryker Well... some strange behaviour... You should put a piggy bank next to it, waste disposal cost a quarter or whatever you use ...

LordStryker

11:35

@Martin I know right? I'm glad i'm not the only one who thinks it rude.

Martin

I personally have nothing against people using my waste disposal unit, but a question with a smile and a hi would be nice, wouldn't it?

@LordStryker Did you see my recent question? Ever thought about that/ came across something like that?

LordStryker

I have not. Let me take a look.

Hmm I have not come across such a thing. Normally we stop at p-orbitals and d-orbital bonds are rare. f-orbitals were generally never discussed (from my experience). It is a good question.

In fact I don't think I've come across something where f-orbitals were involved in bonding.

Nicolau Saker Neto

11:51

f-orbitals are only appreciably used for bonding by actinide compounds, which not many people study

Well, a lot of people study them, but not the standard type of topic for students, I mean

Martin

I was answering that other question and my brains just went viral, and I had no idea how to approach a search like this, if you have no clue how its called...

if you go as high as hexuple bonds, you have this funny thing with two sigma bonds... incredible...

Nicolau Saker Neto

Yup

I thought that was pretty curious when I discovered it

Martin

see here: ch.ic.ac.uk/local/organic/tutorial/bonding

Nicolau Saker Neto

A bonding problem that should overheat your noggin is what happens in dicarbon

No one is quite sure whether it has a double or quadruple bond

There's some back and forth about it in articles

Martin

@NicolauSakerNeto I read about this... it is fascinating.

Nicolau Saker Neto

12:04

Henry Rzepa has a few posts about it

Not sure if you know his blog

Oh apparently a triple bond is also a possibility

Martin

I heard about it, though I did not spend time reading it.

Nicolau Saker Neto

It's quite interesting, though far beyond what I can follow

Martin

Haha, I understand... I can relate, there is often a lot of stuff around, which I do not get...

If someone would have asked me about the bonding in C2, I would have assumed triplet and triple bond... but now I know, there is more about it

LordStryker

12:46

wow some people are just so beyond stupid it makes me all agape.

Martin

@LordStryker More information please

LordStryker

i left a response to a post that clearly was asking how to state something in a more efficient way.

Except now I'm being trolled by two users (one in particular) who not only states that my answer does not address the OP but that somehow I have to provide references to support the statement being made...

finally the user took my answer, changed two words and posted it as his own

i try to help someone succinctly say something that they want to say and now I'm being told I have to support my claims that "breastfeeding is healthy"? How utterly fucked up is that?

Martin

??? I don't get it, what question are you talking about

LordStryker

Its in "english language learners" community

I don't know why I bother to venture out of SE:Chem. It usually ends badly. My first post in SE:Academia was a disaster.

I got flamed for having a question that would only receive opinions yet I argued that well over half of SE:Academia was filled with this.

Martin

13:10

Was that the one I answered?

I was once there in chat complaining about that site and how it all goes down into argument...

they told me that most questions needed the stories told and that this would be an answer...

and they rewrite the same sugar about ten times for each question...

LordStryker

Yeah thats the one. And most everyone pointed the finger at my old boss which was completely inappropriate.

Martin

Haha... just had a look at it... it's still locked...

the only other place I know and can endure is the tex community

LordStryker

TeX community is best community!

Martin

I feel home here now... I am too far away from tex anyway, can't use it any more... I might have to relearn everything when I start again O.o

LordStryker

13:29

@Martin But we both know its so worth it :D

I have to do all my pubs in Word now but I still use TeX for exams, handouts, reports, etc.

Trying to keep the flame alive.

Martin

@LordStryker I don't want to do it any other way, but I have to communicate ...

LordStryker

Oh I totally understand. Maybe they have a J-TeX version ;)

Martin

I only use it for talks... and that's about it... and I do not give talks often...

haha.... lol... J-Tex...

well you can do japanese with tex, but a prerequisite is probably speaking the language...

...which I don't

LordStryker

Do you use Beamer for talks?

I've never used TeX yet for talks but I've always wanted to put one together.

also @Martin how much longer are you in Japan? You've been there a while now if I recall correctly...

Martin

Yes I do. It's simple and pretty, as I think simple is pretty. I can haz blue!

I wanna go back for christmas... so that's what I am aiming for...

I have failed to produce a publication so far, because I am as lazy as fudge...

But I should have at least one from my venture... otherwise no one will take me seriously when I apply for a new job

LordStryker

13:39

@Martin Has it been nearly two years already?

How is the GF? I bet she'll be happy you're coming back. (or I may be speaking with outdated info here)

Martin

@LordStryker It'll be two in November...

@LordStryker That's so 2014, d00d ;)

LordStryker

oh :( I'm sorry about that.

We should collaborate on a paper!

Then we can become worst enemies, regret our decision to work together and tear this community apart :D

Martin

There is nothing to be sorry about...

Good cooperation needs viral disagreement, respectfully challenging one another is part of the process. The most important thing is not to make it personal. In every cooperation you have to be able to drink a beer (or coffee) together in your free time.

We should do a paper together, that'll work.

@LordStryker I asked you once, but forgot if you replied... are you on researchgate?

LordStryker

14:40

@Martin wants to collaborate with me? I'm very honored!

I'd be totally game.

@Martin I don't think I replied. That fell by the wayside (my bad). I am not on researchgate. I know of the website but I don't know what its purpose is or how it would be beneficial.

Martin

15:14

@LordStryker I do not see many benefits in it either. It makes finding and contacting people quite easy, if they use the platform. Sometimes you find full texts, which I usually do not have access to and it you can request such texts in private. The Q&A bit is not very good, more like a forum not much discipline...

LordStryker

@Martin Hmm, do you think I should sign up?

MARamezani

20:04

@LordStryker BTW WELCOME TO ELL!

LordStryker

@MARamezani thank you? I don't think I'll be going back.

MARamezani

@LordStryker ELL is full of arrogant natives. There are some nice natives too.

But yeah... ELL is full of arrogant natives

Anyways what was the name of the user that bothered the all mighty @LordStryker?!

LordStryker

eh, who knows? lol

How are you this day?

MARamezani

Thanks. Sneezing and coughing, as usual.

Now I'm tempted to look at your ELL profile.

But so you know, ELLers are way nicer than people in ELU. ELU is the worst community.

LordStryker

lol

my profiles are the same across the network

and they all are sourced to my SE:Chem profile

MARamezani

20:11

I know, how else could I have had access?

Are you kidding me @LordStryker?!

LordStryker

what?

@MARamezani Did I do something?

MARamezani

John Mark Perry whatever? I can't believe they actually managed to bother you!

I myself have never heard of them.

LordStryker

eh, some of the stuff was deleted by the mods

whatever is left is just a fragment of what it was and i became irritable for a small while

MARamezani

Don't bother yourself, Lord.

They usually look for something like this:

I used breastfeeding is because is is a common verb to use and blah blah blah.

Hey!

Nothing's wrong with your answer.

LordStryker

haha yeah ELL doesn't sound like my kind of place then. I don't have time for that :P

MARamezani

20:18

However, I'm confident that all of that happened because you were a new user there.

I mean, it wasn't you.

LordStryker

lol

what are you up to besides checking out my history?

MARamezani

Seriously, the OP is an advanced level learner that needs explanations like yours, not childish this-is-common-English answers.

@LordStryker YOU WOULD NEVER KNOW IT!

@LordStryker But actually, I'm eating dinner.

LordStryker

ah. what are you eating?

MARamezani

Well, it's rice with grilled minced meat.

LordStryker

that sounds delicious. I'm always hungry in the afternoons. I always skip breakfast and lunch.

MARamezani

20:22

Oh, when I'm hungry, I don't ask for what people eat on the other side of the world... :P

LordStryker

Eh, I'll be eating in 3 hours. This just wets my appetite and will make dinner that much better.

Besides, I find it interesting to see what people eat on the other side. :)

MARamezani

It's yummy! Not my favorite food though.

I wonder how many times a week Martin eats sushi. :)

LordStryker

Lets ask him.

@Martin, @MARamezani and I both want to know how much sushi you eat in a week.

MARamezani

@Martin @Martin @Martin @Martin

Alright I think that much is enough.

LordStryker

@MARamezani, you're going to break this room by typing out so much awesomeness that we all know as @Martin.

MARamezani

20:28

Yeah, this page was starting to hang.

LordStryker

It blue screened my computer :\

My PC cannot handle awesomeness of this magnitude.

MARamezani

ERROR 222: Page too awesome.

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LordStryker

HA!

(put Martin in there and I'll give you a gold star)

MARamezani

I wonder, he's German, and he lives in Japan, so does that make him eat Japanese food a lot or German food a lot?

LordStryker

I dunno. You should ask him :)

MARamezani

20:31

@LordStryker That's ERROR infinity

LordStryker

@Martin, if we collaborated, what should we examine? Should we let SE:Chem suggest some feasible ideas and put it to a vote? That would be really interesting.

MARamezani

222 doesn't suffice....

@LordStryker Huh? I don't follow you.... What examination?

LordStryker

@MARamezani, Martin and I were discussing the possibility of collaborating on a project that we could end up publishing.

So my question is what should we examine (i.e. what should we research)

MARamezani

Hmm, well, I can be a support by buying a shirt that says: "Way to go Martin and Lord!"

@LordStryker Funniest blunders of students in the final exam :)

LordStryker

haha. Yeah well I really like the idea of an international collaboration, especially with Martin. But things are never so easy and we are both very busy so the idea may seem a bit like a long shot.

But I was wondering if we could tie it into a collaborative project with SE:Chem somehow.

MARamezani

20:41

@LordStryker My mind exploded trying to find a way for that.

Weighing in in the meta? Dunno

LordStryker

I think in reality it would be a disaster.

MARamezani

What? Meta posting or the project? :}

LordStryker

Nah, no meta right now. I'm just dreaming :)

Both

Not right now anyway.

MARamezani

NOOO! Don't give up now! I bought a shirt for this!

LordStryker

wow that was quick!

Wouldn't that make for a really cool situation? Questions are posted for potential research ideas, the most upvoted gets researched, and then after a year or two we come back and respond to the answer with a link to a publication that examined it in detail.

MARamezani

20:44

Nah, I wasn't serious. This isn't a movie where police appear before the murderer and shirts get bought before purchase....

LordStryker

Boom. Delivered.

MARamezani

@LordStryker It seems so imaginarily wonderful I feel like Alice in the wonderland. :P

LordStryker

I know just thinking about it makes me smile. But again, I think it would be very difficult to pull off.

MARamezani

Well, for me, hanging out and talking and asking and answering with chemistry giants (or professors, if you prefer) is the best gift in the world!

LordStryker

Haha @MARamezani, I'm definitely no chemistry giant.

MARamezani

20:46

@LordStryker Okay now I think you should post something to meta.

LordStryker

Yeah, technology is amazing. I love chatting, helping out and shooting the shit with people of all ages on here.

MARamezani

@LordStryker :O SOOOO MODEST....!

LordStryker

A PhD doesn't make you a giant, its what you manage to do with it that can.

MARamezani

That could be the site's motto!

LordStryker

then replace 'PhD' with "an education"

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MARamezani

20:48

@LordStryker Hey you're at least a meter and 70 high, aren't you?

That's a giant for many mammals, such as rodents, ants, cockroaches, etc.

LordStryker

had to google my metric conversion. I'm 1.85m

MARamezani

I couldn't resist starring that.

LordStryker

:)

MARamezani

BTW, maybe the blog Geoff's talking about would be a good opportunity for whatever you guys wanna do.

LordStryker

Yeah thats what I was thinking. It would be a good way to occasionally post updates and stuff.

MARamezani

20:51

It would also attract other "lazy-as-fudge" chemistry feinds and friends from around the globe.

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LordStryker

HA!

AHAHAHAHAAAHAHAHA

omg that was great

MARamezani

I can't help laugh at Martin's "lazy-as-fudge".

LordStryker

Yeah, me too.

Well I'm sure we'll hear his opinion about it sooner or later. If he thought it was feasible, I'd definitely would want to chat with him about some of the details before even thinking about Meta.

Get Geoff involved too.

MARamezani

Hmm, what is dephlogistinization theory?

It's apparently Cavendish's.

LordStryker

Is that the thing that has to do with air or something?

MARamezani

21:01

Oh, it's mentioned here too.

Since I'm not a native English speaker, I even have a hard time figuring out the meaning of dephlogis....

LordStryker

Phlogiston theory

The phlogiston theory is an obsolete scientific theory that postulated a fire-like element called phlogiston, contained within combustible bodies and released during combustion. The name comes from the Ancient Greek φλογιστόν phlogistón (burning up), from φλόξ phlóx (flame). It was first stated in 1667 by Johann Joachim Becher. The theory attempted to explain burning processes such as combustion and rusting, which are now collectively known as oxidation. == §Theory == Phlogisticated substances are substances that contains phlogiston and dephlogisticate when burned. In general, substances that...

MARamezani

Oh, I knew about Phlogiston and its creative but weird notions, but what would dephlogis... mean?

LordStryker

well, when you take the word ionize and make it "deionize", what does that mean?

you are removing ions from something.

So in this case, removing fire-like elements from... air?

MARamezani

Aaaaaah, I get it now, thanks.

LordStryker

It was just a guess. I could be wrong.

MARamezani

21:05

Hmm, let's see.

Nah, you're right.

It is the act of removing Phlogiston from "inflammable air" (Hydrogen) that creates water.

Dang, chemistry was so "paranormal" back then!

LordStryker

21:51

haha yeah it really was

There was a proposal in Area51 to start an SE:Alchemy

Its since been deleted but some of my best questions were left there. :\

MARamezani

BTW, ELL's chat in the best aspect of ELL.

LordStryker

it is? how so?

MARamezani

Well, I nag there way more often than here.

And there are nice ELLers there.

Are you up for some fun?

LordStryker

Maybe, what kind of fun?

MARamezani

Well, I leave it to you to see if it was fun.

ackuna.com/badtranslator

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Type "I love chemistry!" (With and without exclamation mark, 43 translations)

It's at least a trending in ELL's chat.

LordStryker

21:57

omg thats terrible and hilarious

Original text:

"I like big butts and I cannot lie. You other brothers can't deny. "

...10 translations later, Yandex gives us:

"I like big butts and I cannot lie, the second brother will be denied. "

MARamezani

Oh, that's just minor! Did you type "I love chemistry?"

Oh, and type "Kill you!"

LordStryker

Original text:

"I love chemistry. Kill you! "

...10 translations later, Yandex gives us:

"I love chemistry, kill yourself. "

holy shit

MARamezani

Go with 43 translations, it gets funnier!

LordStryker

Original text:

"I love chemistry. Kill you! "

...43 translations later, Yandex gives us:

"I like the death of chemicals. "

I like this site. Thank you for linking it.

MARamezani

I don't know why I keep getting "I love chemistry. To kill you".

Eh, but I translated those phrases separately: "I love chemistry!" turned out to be "t" or something, back to English!

LordStryker

22:07

And ELL chat is like this. That is too funny that you say that.

MARamezani

@LordStryker Actually, we tend to act immature there. We assign ourselves with weird names.

LordStryker

Interesting

MARamezani

DamkerngT. = Robot, MARamezani = Dimethyl mercury, Jim Reynolds= Martian, Snailboat = snail vehicle, infinitesimal = a math function, CopperKettle = Shooting star.

I sometimes function as aqua regia too.

LordStryker

lol

MARamezani

22:27

LordStryker come to ELL's chat for some nagging! It's about you now!

LordStryker

it is?

MARamezani

22:56

I saw what you were up to... You are naughty! But you left a great great first impression back there too @LordStryker!

Stan Shunpike

23:31

Helloooooo chem se

MARamezani

Hi!

Stan Shunpike

I love this place. Okay, question guys: I don't understand what the operators do in the SE

I get that they are mapping from one vector to another in a Hilbert space

But that's about all I understand...one vector to another. I don't get why we have $\frac{\partial}{\partial t}$ on one side

And $\hat{H}$ on the other

MARamezani

I don't get this. Why doesn't mathjax work in chat? There was something in meta that said it does....

Stan Shunpike

Chem SE needs it for sure. :/

Or rather chem chat

MARamezani

Sorry, I have gotta go. It's 3:15 a.m. in Iran!

Sleep can sometimes be useful to chemists, sometimes. :P

Stan Shunpike

23:39

Later!

I'll be back :p

Stan Shunpike

23:57

@LordStryker are you able to answer a few questions about operators in the SE equation?

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