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12:42 AM
@Hexacoordinate-C Sorry, I mistakenly rejected an edit of yours in my haste.
I think it was fine. If you want to propose it again it should get through.
 
12:54 AM
@orthocresol about ?
The W-M rearrangement ?
Well in fact W-M is a basic rearrangement used even in pinacol and others
The begining is not the same
I'm not at 2 reputation points
@orthocresol can you tell me advise about what would I read to improve my quantum mechanic knowledge. The lesson from my school was good but too short. I have the lecture of Polytechnique but it is very long. I have not a lot of free time. If you have ideas I would be glad.
 
Yeah, that one. Eh, idk about pinacol one being a W-M.
Hmm... not a lot of free time?
 
1h a day ^^
Depends in lot of things but I can have 1h
 
If you had the time, I would really recommend using a physics QM text to understand the concepts well.
QM is really about understanding the topic fundamentally - if you don't have a good grasp of the linear algebra, then all the words that you throw around when talking about molecular electronic structure are worthless.
 
I have a Feynman Lectures at home but I don't know if this is the best to begin
 
That's only my opinion, though.
 
1:00 AM
I have a L3 of math
 
The text that I started off with was Griffiths, Intro to QM.
 
And I'm not that bad in algebra
 
Well, there are as many QM books as there are organic chem books. Perhaps even more :)
However I consistently find that books written for a chemistry student don't have enough rigour.
Which is why I'm a strong advocate for picking up a physics book.
 
Yes I agree
 
That said, everybody works differently.
If you want, try out Griffiths - he writes very well.
 
1:02 AM
But even physists are not rigourous in everything
Yes I just begin I guess it will be someone I'll like to read
 
And he covers all the usual stuff that is important for chem
Maybe not electronic structure, but once you've gotten through say Chpt 3 of Griffiths, you're probably good enough to go for some other book.
 
Well as a future chemical engineer I will not care about quantum physics. It's just for my inquisitive mind
OK thanks
 
Atkins MQM is not bad once you've got the basics down
 
I'll read feynman at the end
I give me one year to be good in quantum chemistry
I haven't do math for two years it will be hard at the begining
I have lessons from when I was in "Classe Préparatoire" I don't understand what it was about lol
When I think I was one of the best and I may forgot 90% of what I was able to do ugh
 
I'm in the same boat after Christmas @Hexacoordinate-C
sadly, I have a feeling my class will REALLY lack rigour
 
1:17 AM
Haha
After Cristmas only ? ^^
 
I'm taking my school's Quantum Chemistry class after Christmas
 
I watched Dr. Leonard Susskind's QM lectures to get a feel for QMech, but I have a feeling the chemistry-oriented QM class at my school is going to be hopelessly dumbed down
 
Analysis was by best
 
I don't even know dude
I wasn't even required to take cal3. I barely ever do math.
 
1:19 AM
CaI3 ?
 
I don't think you can have CaI3
 
I don't know what you meanned
cal3 ?
What's that
 
calculus 3
or short cal 3
 
oh I meant the calculus class after the integrals one
many schools require it for a chem degree but mine does not.
 
@gannex I guess USA?
 
1:21 AM
Canada
 
Mine require to have the CCP competitive exams
But quite easy
 
I want and did a semester in europe and my opinion is that your chemists are better at math than our physicists :/
but anyways I need to digress into chemistry for a minute here
 
I see, the thing in europe is that even in one country it's impossible to compare the studies at different universities
 
@gannex you play the piano ? Ah ! :)
 
yes I know. I'm just generalizing.
yes I do
but one minute:
I have added an excess of HAcAc into a solution of NaOAc
 
1:23 AM
Yes the worth might be in France
 
and then a little bit of Mn2+ in there to get Mn(acac)2
 
To do epoxydation ?
 
now I oxidize to Mn3+ and then I add some more NaOAc
to get Mn(acac)3
 
Why not
 
using KMnO4
 
1:25 AM
On the paper :P
 
I'm trying to figure out if this oxidation process was via the 1 electron alkaline MnO- -> MnO2- process
I figure it was, because no precipitate was formed (as with the neutral oxidation)
but I'm not sure if my solution was alkaline enough for the 1 electron oxidation
 
And what the question is ?
 
I'm thinking I just did Mn(acac)2 + MnO4- + acac- -> MnO42- + Mn(acac)3
my question was just whether this was the right permanganate redox for the conditions I used
 
I'm not an expert of inorganic chemistry, I would say that AcAc + KMnO4 will give you Mn(acac)3 in one step but not sure
Well with oxydoreduction
In acidic solution it should works
 
hmm yes but the point was to get Mn III
 
1:32 AM
With Mn(VII) and 4Mn(II) you'll get 5 Mn(II)
Mn(III)*
Mn(VII) is in your KMnO4 and you added Mn(II)
 
yes
 
Does it work? I have no papers there to write
 
but I was thinking it was the 1 electron alkaline permanganate redox process... which would just be Mn(VII) + Mn(II) -> Mn(III) + Mn(VI) (which is what I wrote above)
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Q: Difference in the functioning of alkaline and acidified KMnO4

ApurvWhat is the difference in the functioning of alkaline and acidified $\ce{KMnO4}$ as a reagent in organic chemistry? E.g., in the oxidation of a primary alcohol to carboxylic acid, we use acidified $\ce{KMnO4}$ and not alkaline $\ce{KMnO4}$. Why?

it says the solution needs to be "strongly basic" for that, but I'm not sure what qualifies as "strongly"
hmm nevermind I don't think it can be that because I didn't add 1 equivalent of permanganate. It must be the acidic one like you said.
 
I have no idea I have this in head : $\ce{5 Mn_2^+ + MnO_4^- + 15 CH_3COCH_2COCH_3 gives 7 H^+ + 4 H_2O + 5 Mn(CH_3COCHCOCH_3)_3}$
 
yeah that makes sense if my solution is acidic enough
sadly I did not take the pH and I'm just looking at my procedure now
I have HAcAc in slight excess, NaOAc, and Mn2+ in water... so I guess it's very slightly acidic.
 
1:42 AM
I can't tell you
You need to make some calculations about pH
NaOAc is more basic than acid
 
yeah... :(
yes I see now
brb
 
And you have an Ox/Red between Mn(II) and water
Can't you ask someone who did the same experiment as you ?
 
I don't really know any of them
 
Ask a teacher then :)
He won't kill you :)
Everybody gonna learn sometimes #TheKorgis
 
1:58 AM
it's just late and I'm tired. Not usually this dumb.
isn't NaOAc too weak a base to deprotonate HAcAc?
 
Hum let me check
I don't find
But I'm not sure it must have an equilibrium but how much ..
 
pka HOAc = 4.76, pka HAcAc=9
 
Then no
 
I should think I would need a stronger base
but apparently this worked
I guess there is some equilibrium and the reaction in the AcAc- direction by chelation?
 
Hum don't know
Well 3 a.m. here. sorry see you later ! :)
 
2:10 AM
OK seeya!
 
Also pKa depends on the solvant
So be careful
 
water
goodnight!
 
user228700
2:47 AM
@AaronAbraham: Oh, screw off, I'm not stalking you —.—
 
user228700
Clearly, u're flattering urself.
 
5:03 AM
Oh ok the redox reaction's consumption of protons is actually driving the deprotonation of HAcAc. The sodium acetate is just there to keep the solution at pH=5 so the 5-electron oxidation can occur.
 
 
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8:54 AM
Hi! can someone tell me what this means..
"A two-dimensional polymer (2DP) based on the dimerization of anthraceno groups arranged in a triptycene motif is reported. A photoinduced polymerization is performed in the crystalline state and gives a lamellar 2DP via a crystal-to-crystal (but not single-crystal to single-crystal) transformation."
specifically, what is the difference b/w crystal to crystal vs single-crystal to single-crystal?
 
 
1 hour later…
10:02 AM
> The samples were applied to copper grids coated with formwar support film and stabilized with carbon, and stained with 2% water solution of uranyl acetate.
Is it the grid that is stabilized with carbon, or the film? I know little of TEM.
 
 
2 hours later…
11:45 AM
Answering this question is trickier than it seems: OP's wording seems to be asking about whether the reaction is suprafacial or antarafacial, whereas retention vs. inversion refers to that of the migrating centre and is an entirely different matter. — orthocresol ♦ 17 secs ago
I really feel like answering that question, but this is rather frustrating.
 
12:04 PM
OK, never mind, I got round to it.
 
12:19 PM
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Q: What is a rigorous definition of gas volume, and how is the Van der Waals equation derived?

Sean MackeseyI am confused about the justification for the corrections to the ideal gas law in the Van der Waals equation: $$p=\frac{nRT}{V-nb}-a\left(\frac{n}{V}\right)^2$$ I understand that the equation attempts to correct for attractive and repulsive forces between molecules, and that at high volumes the ...

 
12:42 PM
@orthocresol yeah, I think that was a good question, just poorly worded/presented.
anyway, you did a good job of answering it,
I am kinda envious, i wish I had seen it first lol
 
@getafix You can go ahead with the W-H analysis and explain why suprafacial always means retention (or antarafacial means inversion, but that's geometrically imporssible) :D
 
yeah will probably do that, once I finish this stupid assignment
I hate engineering sigh..
 
Yup, I have lots of work too.
It's a wonder that I'm still on this stupid website
 
I am supposed to suggest ideas to improve a air purifier..
I think companies just farm engineering students for free ideas/solutions.
via professors who hold teaching positions+work in the industry..
 
Have you considered adding some negative ions to the air purifier? They will magnetically attract the dust particles and trap them within an electrodynamic quadrupole.
I see @Aaron is still @Aaron.
 
12:45 PM
-_-
 
haha lol
 
@getafix o/ About the PEG question... ._.
 
I did suggest adding an electrostatic precipitator, the companies original design uses just a fibre filter..
I don't know if it will be viable
like economically and manufacturing wise.
@Aaron ah yes!
be patient..It's on my to do list.
 
I just work with RBFs and stuff, so I'm afraid I can't tell you anything constructive. :)
 
It's a very long list unfortunately.
RBF?
 
12:48 PM
round-bottomed flask
 
Yeah, I am just trying to make the word count lol haha
ahh hahah
 
@getafix I figured 0_0
 
sorry bad with abbreviations.
 
2 days ago, by orthocresol
PHYSICAL CHEMIST WARNING
 
second problem..how do you know the air coming out is clean..wtf!
@orthocresol not a physical chemist..yet.
 
12:50 PM
You send some test subjects to sniff it.
Better yet, 100 test subjects.
If they all die, then you've got a problem: the air isn't clean.
 
yeah just stick some guy in front of it and see if he develops respiratory disease
 
Yeah pretty much.
It's kinda slow though, this assay takes 20 years to run.
 
repeat with enough people
to get statistically signifcant results
fuck around with p-values.
 
@getafix :D
 
Also bear in mind that correlation does not imply causation.
 
12:51 PM
i don't think industry cares haha
they just want the $$
 
lol haha
 
...
WHY DOESN'T MY DARN NAME CHANGE? ლ(ಠ益ಠლ
Darn it @ortho ! I even changed my username on Phys.SE..... :'(
 
MWAHAHAHA
 
But my seal's cuter than yours :3
HA
I'M PARACRESOL!!!!
 
1:04 PM
oh you're p-cresol now
 
It is? I can't see anything. Literally.
 
Hey @getafix @Jan, @M.A.R., @Kaumudi , you decide: Who's seal is cuter? Mine or @ortho's?
 
I just a black square lol
*see
 
I saw that.
 
1:07 PM
I even improved my bio 3:)
@orthocresol Try viewing the picture in a separate tab or something .-.
 
would it be possible to pass the air through a little trap with a laser on one end, and a photodetector on the other and measure light scattering?..should be able to detect particulates of a certain size..hmm
 
@getafix Wouldn't that require a rather small detector?
 
yeah
i dont know man
 
@getafix Like... really small ._.
 
an array of tiny photo diodes?
I am just pulling crap ideas out of my butt now
 
1:12 PM
@getafix NO!!! (For the next month or so...I shall be paracresol, not some evil biped)
 
?
 
@getafix .............
 
okay haha
 
!!xkcd/879
^ It took me about 5 seconds to get it... >.<
@Hippalectryon Now I see why you prepped @Chemobot for the xkcd command XD
 
Is anybody here using the Android Stack Exchange app?
I'd like to ask for a favour, if you have a bit of time.
 
user228700
1:25 PM
@paracresol: Your image is not even visible :-/
 
so...insulted :'(
 
and done with this one, and off to the next
@orthocresol nope sorry.
btw..would anyone happen to know what this means " gives a lamellar 2DP via a crystal-to-crystal (but not single-crystal to single-crystal) transformation."
 
user228700
@paracresol You want to be gender neutral for a month? O.o
 
context: "A two-dimensional polymer (2DP) based on the dimerization of anthraceno groups arranged in a triptycene motif is reported. A photoinduced polymerization is performed in the crystalline state and gives a lamellar 2DP via a crystal-to-crystal (but not single-crystal to single-crystal) transformation."
 
Oh @ortho, you might wanna...ahem...delete that xkcd comic...it's rather...disturbing, now that I think about it...
 
1:27 PM
@loong
hullo
 
@getafix hi
 
@Kaumudi I'm a male seal -_-
 
How goes?
 
user228700
@paracresol Sure sure, OK.
 
my group theory tables are giving me a huge headache
 
1:28 PM
Ye gods! I nearly forgot! ALRIGHT GUYS! WHOSE SEAL IS CUTER? MINE OR ORTHO'S?
!!xkcd/271
 
Whose
 
@orthocresol noted
 
user228700
Dude, we can't even see your effing seal. Besides, u keep accusing me of stalking you so I'ma say that Ortho's seal is definitely cuter.
 
DING DING DING WE HAVE A WINNER
 
user228700
1:30 PM
:-D
 
@Kaumudi No, I didn't say you were stalking me ._. Okay, I could've worded it better...but I was too busy frolicking in the snow next to @ortho ._.
@orthocresol Treason -_-
!!xkcd/230
 
user228700
@paracresol Sure man, whatever u say. I'm not changing my mind tho.
 
@Kaumudi These Tamils...so hard to persuade... sigh
!!xkcd/230
 
user228700
@paracresol Tamil is a language. Last time I checked, I'm a human being.
 
1:33 PM
!1xkcd/273
@Kaumudi I wonder how you managed to confirm that ;)
 
wtf
UGH
I just freaking wrote a new answer as a placeholder
and SE automatically converted it into a comment
It told me: "Trivial answer converted to comment"
KJSDFIOJWEOUIUHSDIFUHSDF
 
@orthocresol XD
Where'd it happen?
 
my meta post with all the mathjax
the comment has since been deleted (that's why I'm a mod.)
 
3;)
 
@orthocresol triggered answer ban for orthocresol
2
 
1:37 PM
Adding "Lorem ipsum THIS IS A PLACEHOLDER" seems to have worked.
 
At least I have @Loong with me! When there's a German on your side, anything's possible!
 
@Loong That makes me wonder, can moderators ever be banned from asking/answering
That's not possible, surely
 
@orthocresol Loreum ipsum? I'm pretty sure that isn't Latin 0_0
Oh @Kaumudi, do you surrender? 3;)
 
@orthocresol probably not
In publishing and graphic design, lorem ipsum (derived from Latin dolorem ipsum, translated as "pain itself") is a filler text commonly used to demonstrate the graphic elements of a document or visual presentation. Replacing meaningful content with placeholder text allows designers to design the form of the content before the content itself has been produced. The lorem ipsum text is typically a scrambled section of De finibus bonorum et malorum, a 1st-century BC Latin text by Cicero, with words altered, added, and removed to make it nonsensical, improper Latin. A variation of the ordinary lorem...
 
@Loong well, they can certainly be rate-limited...
-__-
 
1:42 PM
@orthocresol yes, since that's also a protection against hacked accounts
 
I see.
 
@Loong I stand by what I said lorem ipsum isn't Latin [ smug expression ] Und danke Loong!
THERE! BEHOLD MY SEAL!
 
Hard to behold something I can't see.
 
So much cuteer than ortho's =*_*=
@orthocresol Go get a pair...
...of spectacles ;P
 
I already do, actually. :)
 
1:46 PM
...
Well...
@orthocresol Then get a better pair -_-
Hey ortho, what kind of display photos and usernames could get me suspended/deleted ?
 
I don't know. I'm fairly sure these stuff are on a case-by-case basis.
 
Can I express my... beliefs through them ;)
Surely...I mean...it's 'Free Speech' 3;)
 
you certainly could
Look, free speech is free speech. You have the right to say whatever you want.
But if you're going to say something nasty, then others have the right to be pissed off.
That's just how the world works.
Free speech doesn't mean that if you go around insulting Christianity (for example), people have to love you and accept everything you say. It just means that you shouldn't be jailed or executed for it. People are free to dislike you (and chances are people will).
 
@orthocresol xkcd 1357
 
Precisely what I was thinking of :D
 
1:53 PM
I plan on bringing some Heil! to der Periodic Table... if you know what I mean :D
 
Surely you realise that that is quite insensitive?
 
@paracresol Please don't test the limits.
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And try not to get flagged.
 
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Eagles...surely eagles are alright?
@orthocresol Insensitive to what?
@Loong Does the Eagle cross the limit?
 
Even under free speech there are a lot of things that will bring you into jail....try saying "i'm going to kill you and your family" with a knife in your hand.
 
@DSVA I'm not a psychopath ._.
 
2:04 PM
:-D
 
@DSVA Deutsche?
 
jep
 
Oh, Vienna?
 
yes
 
 
2 hours later…
3:59 PM
Hello everyone
 
Hii
 
How r u ?
 
Fine , you tell
 
I'm fine too
 
Are you in school or college
 
4:04 PM
Graduate school
 
4:14 PM
@Hexacoordinate-C which are you fav topic
 
Thermodynamics, fluid mechanics, organic chemistry, quantum chemistry/physics
 
Nice
 
Well chemical engineering in general
What's yours?
 
4:50 PM
Physical chemistry , mechanics , electromagnetism
 
6:07 PM
Is this reaction possible. Condition : only heat and an appropriate solvant
I forgot to draw the -OMe goup
 
Zhe
6:34 PM
Yes
I can draw a mechanism for it
I can't tell you the conditions under which it will occur, but I see a sensible mechanism at least
Well, except that the selectivity seems wrong
I would've thought it would add with the other orientation
 
Do what you think
I tried something but too much uncommon
 
Zhe
2+3 cycloaddition?
4+3 also possible but temporarily breaks arommaticity
Seemed bad
 
I don't know it's a challenge gave me a friend
Which have a higher organic chemistry lesson than me
 
Zhe
I would tautomerize the enolate and do a 2+3 cycloaddition
 
So I can't tell you with words what I did ^^
 
Zhe
6:39 PM
The 1,3-dipolar cycloaddition is a chemical reaction between a 1,3-dipole and a dipolarophile to form a five-membered ring. The earliest 1,3-dipolar cycloadditions were described in the late 19th century to the early 20th century, following the discovery of 1,3-dipoles. Mechanistic investigation and synthetic application were established in the 1960s, primarily through the work of Rolf Huisgen. Hence, the reaction is sometimes referred to as the Huisgen cycloaddition (this term is often used to specifically describe the 1,3-dipolar cycloaddition between an organic azide and an alkyne to generate...
 
I first made electro with the left molecule then enolate attacks on C=C=O
And after kinda magic things :P
zhe where should I look on the page ?
 
Zhe
I dunno, I was just trying to find a reference for 2+3 cycloaddition
Oooohhhhh
That's a lithium
Yeah, I'm definitely for 2+3 cycloaddition
Also explains selectivity
 
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