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I suggest you make a bash function that takes starting element and ending element of what you want to display in an array, that makes a recursive call to itself later. Parts of the array can displayed with bash's parameter expansion qualities ( ${VARIABLE:start:off-set} )
Sample script
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> * Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the [holy man] who represents God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)
* I will fill your mountains with the dead. Your hills, your valleys, and your streams will be filled with people slaughtered by the sword. I will make you desolate forever. Your cities will never be rebuilt. Then you will know that I am God. (Ezekiel 35:7-9 NLT)
* Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against h…
* I will fill your mountains with the dead. Your hills, your valleys, and your streams will be filled with people slaughtered by the sword. I will make you desolate forever. Your cities will never be rebuilt. Then you will know that I am God. (Ezekiel 35:7-9 NLT)
* Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against h…
> Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.
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@ParanoidPanda Sorry, but puh-lease! That's anecdotal to say the least and no way of reaching a conclusion. And I only wish you were right about most Christians. Most have simply never read their own holy text but you have many who believe the bible is the direct word of their god.
And it's not "more or less bad", it's glorifying a man who offered up his daughters to be raped and suggesting that all infidels be killed.
In any case, I very much doubt you've met enough Muslims to have a large enough sample to draw relevant conclusions. "I spoke to a few and they said X" is not an argument one can extrapolate to several million.
Don't get me wrong, I have very real problems with Islam, it's just that many of them are also present in the other two Abrahamic religions.
Another issue that is specific to Islam as far as I know, is the concept that a violent death arrived at while fighting for your faith ensures entry to heaven. Now that is a very dangerous doctrine and one that has no parallel I know of in Christianity (I may be wrong though, the old testament is pretty bloody).
By the way, you should source your quotes. Verse 9:20 which you pasted above refers to taxes. Historically, Muslim states had no problem with Christians and Jews (the people of the book) since they had had a book revealed to them by the same God. They just needed to pay more taxes:
> Muhammad Sarwar: Fight against those People of the Book who have no faith in God or the Day of Judgment, who do not consider unlawful what God and His Messenger have made unlawful, and who do not believe in the true religion, until they humbly pay tax with their own hands.
@ParanoidPanda Ouch, yeah. It says that our societies are screwed. However, even Sharia law is not actually Islamic, as such. It is but one interpretation of many and a few years ago many, if not most, Islamic states did not enforce it.
The increase in fanaticism of this sort came as a direct result of Western meddling (well, killing) in the middle east.
@ParanoidPanda Because mine has about 7 different translations and is an "official" site containing the entire Quran as opposed to a random blog post or whatever.
I'm not saying there aren't some horrible things in the Qoran, of course there are. Just as there are in the Old Testament. Possibly worse, sure.
My main point here is that while I'll concede that Islam today is, to say the least, problematic, it is basically what Christianity was a few hundred years ago.
Happily, most Christian societies have advanced past that level but they most certainly went through a horribly bloody phase.
So, blaming Islam is both short sighted and counterproductive. What we need here is understanding. We're all terrified, on both sides, and don't get each other's culture.
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Yes and no. And they haven't banned the veil in public areas. They banned the burka which is quite different. The veil is extremely common on the streets of at least some French cities.
The main argument is i) France is a secular country. This is enshrined in their constitution and one of the main ideas the nation was built on after the French revolution. ii) if you want to come and live here, you need to adhere to our value system.
I can understand both arguments. Even agree to a certain extent. When you go to someone else's house, you play by their rules.
Personally, I would have felt far more comfortable if they had also banned crosses and other religious paraphernalia but the burka is, admittedly, a pretty extreme example.
Also not representative of the Muslim world in general, by the way. I believe (though am not sure) that's it's exclusive to those who espouse fundamentalist interpretations like the Wahhabi.
@ParanoidPanda Yeah, as I said, I'm not really against that. I still think that legislation is not the right way of doing this sort of thing but I can understand the sentiment.
The main question now is how do we go on from here. Is the answer to declare war? On whom? Isis? How would that work? Does that mean we'd have to support Assad? Who are we supposed to go to war against, exactly?
More to the point, does this mean we close our borders to the Syrian refugees? We just let them drown in their thousands in the greek seas?
@ParanoidPanda What views? That the burka is not a good thing? It's perfectly easy to find Muslims who agree with that.
@ParanoidPanda Well, a few of them are bigoted and ignorant. Like your cherry picked quotes from the Quran.
It's easy to be dismissive of this when you're living in England. You don't see the dead babies washing up on the beach every day.
@ParanoidPanda Bullshit. It would be hard, sure, but of course we do. Or, we would if we organize. And leaving thousands of people (millions, actually, the number being bandied about is 4 million at the moment) to drown is not an option.
We're not discussing immigrants here. These are people fleeing a war zone. One which we had a big hand in creating, by the way.
Of course receiving 4 million refugees would be a huge problem. Obviously. Do you really believe that letting the same number die so we can enjoy our half-fat latte is better?
We're supposed to be the civilized and ethical ones, or that's what we've been selling all these years. Where is that when push comes to shove?
Or do you propose we just let them rot in Greece, a country that most certainly cannot support them?
@ParanoidPanda Are you listening to yourself? What do you think, 4 million people will flood into the UK? We're talking about a system of distribution where all E countries share the weight.
@ParanoidPanda Well, tough. How do you think they feel? Nobody wants this but we created it and it's come home to roost.
We're getting THOUSANDS every day. Deaths every day or few days as well. On the borders of the wonderfully moral E.
This is happening in my back yard. It's not some kind of intellectual puzzle. These are real people. Dead.
@ParanoidPanda OK, so while we wait for the perfect solution, we let them die? You can live with that?
@ParanoidPanda Man, Europe has a population of ~500 million. Do you honestly believe we can't accommodate 4 more?
> "The latest figures compiled by UNHCR show the number of sea arrivals from 1 January to 14 August 2015 to be 158,456. During the same period, 1,716 refugees and migrants entered Greece through its land border with Turkey, bringing the total number of arrivals (sea and land) to 160,172," UNHCR spokesperson William Spindler told a press briefing in Geneva.
He added that last week alone nearly 21,000 refugees and migrants arrived in Greece, almost half the total number of arrivals in all of 2014.
He added that last week alone nearly 21,000 refugees and migrants arrived in Greece, almost half the total number of arrivals in all of 2014.
@ParanoidPanda You are kidding, right? You're the same person who's vegan "cause aww, the poor animals" and yet are fine with what amounts to murder?
@ParanoidPanda Umm. Really? So you believe that if a few hundred thousand more people enter the UK you will be dying of starvation and cold?
Say your standard of living decreases slightly. You're telling me that you'd rather let people die in their hundreds (each week, mind) than be slightly incomodated?
And come on, you cannot sit there and compare the plight of those people with the problems immigration has caused in the EU. They are orders of magnitude different.
@ParanoidPanda For one thing because they have both money and papers and, often, a high level of education.
You seem to think there's some kind of door we can close. There isn't. These people are here, now. And winter is coming. They will be dying like flies.
@ParanoidPanda They are DYING. What are you going to do? Would you support extermination camps? That would actually be better. At the very least more hygienic and faster, less suffering for them.
I'd rather Europe set up killing camps than try to hide its head in the sand and let them die slowly.
So, basically, what you're saying is that i) all Muslims are extremists and possible terrorists; ii) screw them, I'd rather they all die than have them darken my front door.
You don't give a damn about anyone but yourself apparently. Not the refugees, not the countries that have to deal with them. Just as long as you're not bothered, everyone else can go to hell.
They're SYRIANS for heaven's sake! One of the more secular and better educated states of the Middle East! Hell, they're even white.
@ParanoidPanda That's precisely what you're saying. Read the transcript. "Yes, they're dying, but they're doing so in Greece, not the UK, so I don't care"
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Look, there are videos of the areas where these people are fleeing from, those areas are controlled by IS, these people who are now coming here cheer as IS throw gay people off buildings, I don't want that cheering crowd here.
Bigoted, clearly. I hope you're not also racist but only young and ignorant but I'm beginning to have doubts.
OK. I am trying very hard (and just failed) not to insult you. I honestly want to have a civil discussion.
@ParanoidPanda Worried is one thing. Your position here seems to be "I don't care as long as it doesn't affect me"
After what I've heard you claim here, I'd much rather take my chances and invite a random refugee into my home than you.
That you don't find these positions morally abhorrent is terrifying to me. Especially in someone so young.
Of course not. The cause is precisely what we need to deal with. However, that's for tomorrow. Right now, today, we have people drowning on the EU borders.
It's one of the very few EU countries (can't think of any others, actually) that haven't signed the Shengen treaty.
I mean, you don't need a VISA if you're from Europe but you still need to go through immigration. Just as it used to be.
> Generally, most people travelling on passports issued by Western countries do not need to obtain a visa before entering the UK as a visitor – they can simply fly (or sail) to the UK and will be granted a visit visa at the port of entry.
I need to check the rules. It may be that EU nationals get automatic work permits but I doubt it. I know you still need a passport to travel to the UK, unlike any other EU country I know of.
> If you wish to enter the UK as on a work permit for more than six months, you MUST apply for entry clearance. You only don't require entry clearance if you are a non-visa national and will be working in the UK for less than six months. Most every work permit holder will need to obtain a visa before travelling and should apply for entry clearance at a British Embassy or Consulate in your country of nationality or usual residence
> To enter the United Kingdom, a passport valid for the duration of stay is required by all nationals referred to in the chart above, except (1) EU nationals holding a valid national ID card.
EU nationals are only required to produce evidence of their EU nationality and identity in order to be admitted to any EU member state. This evidence can take the form of a valid national passport or national identity card. Either is acceptable. Possession of a return ticket, any length of validity on their document, or sufficient funds for the length of their proposed visit should not be imposed.
EU nationals are only required to produce evidence of their EU nationality and identity in order to be admitted to any EU member state. This evidence can take the form of a valid national passport or national identity card. Either is acceptable. Possession of a return ticket, any length of validity on their document, or sufficient funds for the length of their proposed visit should not be imposed.
And, come to think of it, I've had friends fly to the UK with their ID cards. I've also had friends (and myself) fail so they might have changed recently.
In any case, that site also confirms that you need a visa to stay more than 6 months. Even if you're an EU national.
@ParanoidPanda Oh come on, I'm not even going to read that. That's the UKIP party, why would I believe anything they say?
OK, I did read it. As expected, there are absolutely no sources, it's just the random ramblings of some politician. They may be right, but I have no reason to believe it with no sources.
@ParanoidPanda So, yeah, sure you can come in but sorry, your kids will have to fend for themselves.
Look, yes, immigration is a problem, but attempting to close borders is not the solution. First because it is inhumane and seconds because it simply doesn't work. Especially not for countries like yours and mine with enormous coastlines. They can never be adequately patroled.
Even if you do flood the channel or the Agean with gunboats that go around sinking boats full of unarmed people, they will still get through.
@ParanoidPanda You do man. I've spent 6 hours in a little office dealing with immigration authorities in Liverpool.
What the UKIP wants is stricter control. The ability to refuse entry more easily, presumably. You most certainly need to show documents when entering the UK though. Unlike when traveling from, say, Spain to France.
@ParanoidPanda Perhaps. I don't know how that works but anything that isn't "Nah, just let them drown" is a step in the right direction.
All you have is an automatic tourist visa for EU residents. You had that for Americans before the EU as well.
@ParanoidPanda No it doesn't. It says that Europe has open borders. it only says that the UK could "Regain control" of immigration. That's probably referring to the automatic 6 month visa thing.
@ParanoidPanda I guess that's referring to the automatic tourist visa thing. Note that it doesn't say you don't need a work permit to work.
@ParanoidPanda No, it states that EU residents have less hurdles to pass than non EU ones. Not that there is no control and it certainly doesn't state it "clearly".
@ParanoidPanda I think you're right and EU nationals have the right to work in the UK. I stand corrected. They still have their papers checked on entry though.
@ParanoidPanda How is that relevant? I know you're British but, since I assume you meant "race" and not nationality, you can be a racist and be any color of the rainbow.
@ParanoidPanda I would never have thought you were one. Not before you started quoting UKIP and espousing the sort of bigotry you did here. As for being a Vegan Buddhist, well, you certainly weren't acting like one.
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Ok. I'll ask you again in a few years. And this time, I honestly don't mean to be patronizing. Many people, myself included, go through a Communist stage at some point. Most don't stay there for very long.
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