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00:54
Why not just say [gte 2.7.1]?
because that's ambiguous?
 
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06:59
@JAtkin Yes, there's six pending tag wiki edits. Did you skip them or review them already ? If you clicked "skip" on a suggested edit review, you won't see it again, but you will still see that orangey indicator thingie.
If you already reviewed them, but they still require more reviews from other people, you'll also see that.
 
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09:12
So yes, it's server-side caching. that indicator is shown to everyone, regardless if they can actually review the edits or not.
 
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13:15
@AdamLear - Did you have some time to look into docs-beta.stackexchange.com/questions/266/… again? It regularly crashes or blocks my browser (Firefox). I'm still not really sure what's the trigger but every time I alter some things in docs-beta.stackexchange.com/documentation/python/333/… it happenes.
13:55
@JAtkin why did you delete your answer? It was perfectly valid, I'm just not agreeing.
I made an edit and forgot to undelete
14:21
@JAtkin But I really think that's somewhat crowded. Just as example: docs-beta.stackexchange.com/documentation/python/333/… this looks awful to me. And I've written it...
14:36
@MSeifert I couldn't reproduce it at the time, but I'll try again.
14:51
@MSeifert Just add a bit of space between the version examples and maybe include some actual description with each will break it up better. Apart from that seems fine to me.
Is there a reason we chose to append "Language" to language topics?
@Lankymart I'm not exactly sure what you mean. Sorry :( Do you mean adding text to this already long monster-example? I do have a pending edit there, do you think that makes things better/worse?
@MattSherman Since not all tags have a "Language appendix" I think that's up to the one who proposed the tag in the first place, for example docs-beta.stackexchange.com/documentation/git (Just GIT)
@AdamLear Thanks, if you need any help reproducing it I think I can get it to crash again (it wasn't a problem until now :-) )
Another question: Are the help-pages static or dynamic? I was surprised to find one of my changes there: docs-beta.stackexchange.com/help/documentation-proposed-changes :-)
15:13
static
Nice
@MSeifert Do you have any addons in Firefox? What sort of things do you edit (examples? remarks?) that end up triggering that script problem?
I still can't repro
Also, what version of Firefox are we talking and on what OS?
Windows 10, Firefox 45, Addons: Firebug, NoScript (but disabled on Stackoverflow pages). It happenes mostly if I edit more than one example. Especially if I move/add/remove those <-- if version ... -> and edit code (and comments starting with #)
I'll see in another topic if I can reproduce it easily
If I edit: docs-beta.stackexchange.com/documentation/python/201/… and remove in every "version" one part of the code-blocks and insert it after the code blocks it starts to get slow after each subsequent change! If I add to each version another line of code followed by a commented line of code # ... it laggs almost 1 second after every block-insertion.
If I repeatedly add/move code from/into version blocks it gets slower and slower and finally the warning comes
and I only edit the first "example" of the mentioned topic
I'm not sure that's comprehensive :(
and I'm using a rather old (2 years old budget-) laptop so it might also be the technology that's failing me.
15:43
I'm FF46 and don't see any lag. This is what I was working on ;)
I take that back, I did see some lag, but not while moving the version if tags.
after you changed something and then clicked somewhere else?
and where did you get FF46?
Firefox beta, it is about 6 weeks ahead of standard
@JAtkin what was lagging for you?
Ok, I have a slight repo now. Not quite 1sec of lag, but I'd chalk that up to having a newer machine.
@AdamLear It wasn't really consistent, just general slowness for some (fairly) random things I did on the page.
Pasting was a bit on the slow side, but it wasn't always a version block. I'm not really sure.
maybe it's more a memory leak? I noticed the lag was always after I changed something and the code wasn't rendered yet
but to me it always happened in conjunction with versions.
15:53
@MattSherman it's actually a property of the tag wiki
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Q: April 6th New Features Announcement

Kevin MontroseWe've got the usual bug fixes rolling out, but there have also been some new features in the past couple weeks. First, a very highly voted feature-request... Tab to indent in the Documentation editor Tab now inserts four spaces where the character is (or at the start of each line, if two or ...

wow! that Tab-indenting is great. Thank you all!
will that be migrated to Q&A as well or stay documentation-only?
16:30
@KevinMontrose What do you think of this?
And this ;)
17:00
@KevinMontrose ?
was at lunch, looking
@MSeifert the current response to "will X come to Q&A?" is "we'll start thinking about it after Documentation 'works'." I don't want to rock the boat in Q&A too much while we're still figuring things out.
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Oh, Sorry ;)
@KevinMontrose Ok
17:55
@KevinMontrose, the new tour page seems somewhat broken for me - the animated slideshow thingies don't work, and all of the big graphics are missing.
On firefox 45, chrome works.
Known problem ? or should I write a bug report on the site ?
@JonasCz :/ one sec
wow, that is jacked to hell isn't it
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probably screwed up the styles when I was tweaking, getting a fix
18:17
I wonder how much time you guys put into ensuring things work consistently across browsers ? I guess that things like this (or even things like Unikong) would take quite a lot of time to get working consistently
For Unikong it took about 30 minutes to get working cross-browser. The framework we used basically took care of it, and then we needed a small bit of time to fix Safari and IE 11 doing weird crap anyway.
18:53
If I have a question about how a topic could/should be organized would it be best if I created 2 seperate drafts and ask on Q&A what they think is better or should I just do what I think is better?
just do what you think is better
19:11
Are there any plans for review audits or similar ? What (if anything) do you plan to do to avoid "robo reviewers"
if there is no reward for reviewers there is no need for audits? :-D
and if there is no review queue how would you suggest placing the audits? :o
@JonasCz alright, should be fixed
today's lesson "don't assume content: actually lets you set... content everywhere"
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19:30
Hi everyone. I just proposed a tag, but it doesn't show up in the list of proposed tags. What's the best practice for proposing tags here?
KevinMontrose, I just updated the question about example requests a bit more clear ;)
@s.d which tag?
have you checked if it's possible to open it? docs-beta.stackexchange.com/questions/750/…
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@KevinMontrose: [eclipse-rcp].
@MSeifert: This link doesn't take one anywhere (and it's not in the list you linked to).
that tag doesn't exist
19:43
The answer I linked to contained all tags open for documentation (apart from those used for Q&A in beta-documentation)
it's not on any questions, and it doesn't have an associated wiki
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Ah, thanks, so I simply add a question with the tag and then it'll be created?
yeah you can make the tag, but it's worth remembering that since is a private beta there may not be enough people around to help with it right now (might want to wait til docs is open on SO, basically)
the tags I imported were based on what folks had signed up for in the little google form thing-y
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Ah, okay, I see. Cool. I'll think about it. Thanks!
I helped commit to the haskell tag, but it has nothing, because I have zero requests at all.
19:54
You need 3 people committing to a tag before you can start documenting it. So it might not be worth it :(
I'm stuck with 2 at numpy ...
20:33
How do I edit the body of a new topic? docs-beta.stackexchange.com/questions/878/body-is-required
do you have a screen shot of your editor? Body would be the non-title bit of an example
little pencil is where to click to switch back to an example (while editing), the body is what the arrows are pointing to (the preview in the page, the editor on the bottom)
sometimes an example you've deleted is still saved (even though it's not visible) and that can prevent you from submitting the edit. docs-beta.stackexchange.com/questions/747/…
21:07
KevinMontrose, Sorry about the pings ;) I really do have a hard time writing, which is why most of my posts on the network have >7 edits ;)
21:26
So if I click "discard" does that discard the entire topic or just the example I'm working on?
Because I expected to discard just the example, but it looks like I discarded the entire topic?
(which would be a bit of a bummer...)
it discards your current draft
"draft" of what?
everything you've been working on
Well, topic it looks like, but that's really unexpected IMHO
in that topic (or if you moved examples all relevant topics)
well it's besides "submit", "save draft" so it's obviously associated with your draft
but I've stumbled on that too :(
21:30
"Discard topic" would make that a lot more obvious
but if you move examples it would be "discard topics"
but generally: yes
if you create a feature-request I'd support it :)
Maybe a stupid question, but - if a topic has improvement requests, and I edit the topic to satisfy the requests, and my edit gets approved, should I dismiss the requests?
sorry I was mistaken ... I thought it was another topic shame
22:10
@MSeifert Okay :-)
The Tkinter docs are terribly fragmented, which is a bit of a shame as it works quite well
yes that's something of a python-thing: Having quite good documentation but you have to check 5 places to get them ^^
Most of the Python docs are quite good IMHO, Tkinter is an exception...
22:34
"Parameters must be formatted as a two column table"
meh
 
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23:43
I'm trying to add a new tag but I'm not receiving any feedback about it working. Does it happen with any of you?
In the answer is a list of tags open for proposal: docs-beta.stackexchange.com/questions/750/… What you are describing sounds like the tag is not yet open.

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