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00:30
@JAtkin You are certainly one of the most critic reviewers here, do you think docs-beta.stackexchange.com/documentation/proposed/changes/2178 is worth an example?
before I put more effort in it and examples for the other arithmetic operations I wanted to ask here. This is very basic stuff and the documentation contains all this information but in very different locations. So this is probably "trigonometry" all over again. :-)
00:52
Well, I'm not the mod or anything here. I'm just a bit more vocal ;) I wouldn't say yes most likely, but I don't plan on reviewing any changes like that 'till we have more of an idea what everyone thinks...
01:21
@JAtkin You still around!
01:57
@JAtkin No it was just because I really value your opinion because mostly I agreed with your reasoning and wasn't sure about the change myself.
Docs are fun. I'm actually excited for this to start on the main site.
Hey guys!
Well ... currently it's fun because everybody is commited but as soon as this goes public it could go either way: fun or frustration
Depends on how reviewers behave, really.
02:01
at least with Q&A your answers don't get deleted if people think they are too trivial
@Undo agreed. They'll make the difference.
02:18
@Undo I'm also currently editing simple math ...
@MSeifert or @Undo would you guys mind taking a look at some of my css changes:

http://docs-beta.stackexchange.com/documentation/proposed/changes/2201

http://docs-beta.stackexchange.com/documentation/proposed/changes/2190

Please :-)
@MSeifert k, whatcha doing?
@TrevorClarke Sure, looks good :)
I wanted to include multiplication/division/subtraction/power ^^
oo
what language?
02:20
If you also want to add them I'll leave it.
python
People are going to be so pissed
when they have their premade documents... when the beta goes public
and they go to copy it in
and we have already added it
@MSeifert Okay, I've already done subtraction. I'll submit that and you can do the rest if you want.
i don't need to include them. Just before we both do it I skip it ^^
how much rep do you think these things are going to get us
like honestly
02:22
@TrevorClarke Depends on if it actually gets off the ground
is kinda unfair
to others
I wish rep still did me good on SO :(
If they delete it because it's too trivial: None
@TrevorClarke nah. They had equal opportunity to sign up for the beta, we stepped up to bootstrap it. Nothing unfair there.
And... I don't think there'll be as much rep in this as we think.
lol
you wont believe how i got in
(i just got in today)
02:23
I got in by asking nicely. Works pretty well, actually :)
well this is how i got in
@TrevorClarke We are using the beta site to collect feature requests at the moment (and posting here is generally also fine, although the audience isn't quite right yet, but that's okay). Signups are open till the end of the month (and actual invites would take "some time" after that, though we plan to invite everyone who has signed up) but since you're already thinking of new features and whatnot... drop me an email (address is in my profile) and I'll see about hooking you up with access next week. — Adam Lear ♦ Mar 25 at 22:03
I got a feeling folks won't run out of things to document all that easily.
3
why cant i edit the syntax on the font post
@TrevorClarke link?

Fonts (topic draft)

edited on mar 30 '16 at 2:04 by Trevor Clarke 113
added 1 example, added syntax section
02:25
oh, because I already approved that draft?
I need to add color:
oh, now I'm getting a thing that says there's a 10-draft maximum. Huh.
@KevinMontrose Are we not able to edit the syntax? I need to add color to the font section under css... and @Undo is getting a 10-draft maximum. I am unable to edit it at all
I just discarded some, let's try this again
@TrevorClarke You're trying to edit from docs-beta.stackexchange.com/documentation/css/301/…, right?
02:28
heh :)
Idk how you got there
any i fixed it
could you pls accept the changes
done
@Undo ?
Also could you pls take a look at this:
oh and thanks for accepting the changes on fonts
:)
and on that
where could I put an example if statement
02:41
Maybe there should be a "Control Flow" topic. That'd be a good place to put a lot of things.
I am litterally just making an If statement topic
is that okay
@Undo Could you please re accept this
I needed to add a parameters chart
@Undo - If you want I've got the other ones ready: docs-beta.stackexchange.com/documentation/proposed/changes/2210
@MSeifert I can approve it if you want
If you want. :)
03:03
@MSeifert could you please accept these pls:

http://docs-beta.stackexchange.com/documentation/proposed/changes/2209
and
http://docs-beta.stackexchange.com/documentation/proposed/changes/2211

Thanks!
Thanks!!!!!!
so now I'm off to bed. Nice evening everyone
Goodnight
Seeya tomorrow?
03:30
Hey @Nakilon
@Undo and any others could you please take a look at this post and let me know what you think:
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Q: Scroll The Preview With Editbox

Trevor ClarkeI know there have been some posts about restoring the old editor... I am not suggesting that, I simply have a few comments. When I start typing an example, for example I align it so that I can see the edit box, and the preview above like so: However once I add a bunch of content we run into a...

Just FYI, it's generally a bad idea to ping people for stuff like this. I don't really mind to much, but some people are thought about their inboxes.
But that looks like a good idea.
No worries
cool
how do you you have so much rep
like
its not like this is SO
I think ive only got 1 upvote... how much content have you writtern
@Undo Quick question, do you know what they are going to do when it opens to beta? Who is going to be able to accept a topic?
04:04
My comment on this seem correct to anyone else?
@intboolstring I agree with what you are getting at.. I kinda think the way you said it was a little rude
04:23
@TrevorClarke fixed it up
Much better
I think that could make a meta post in itelf
I'll write one up if thats okay with you
@intboolstring ^ ?
well idk
i dont think i will
Meta Docs?
That exists?
04:30
Meta Docs == Meta SE
naw im not gunna make a post
ok.
@KevinMontrose Any thoughts on this?
@intboolstring you there?
Could someone please approve this
(if there are no problems)
This thing hurts my OCD
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Q: Resize Drag Thing is not Centered

Trevor ClarkeNot a huge thing... But it's going to bug me. This thing: Is not centered where you go to edit a topic: Thanks!

05:07
thx to whoever accept my changes to margins
 
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Sam
Sam
09:31
Not sure if this has been covered already, but are topic requests like docs-beta.stackexchange.com/documentation/git/topic-requests/… valid when official documentation already exists (git-scm.com/book/en/v2/Git-Branching-Rebasing), including examples? Feels like a no to me actually.
yeah, I thought that about the merging one
 
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12:35
hey @ThrowingSpoon sup
13:24
anyone else noticed that adding an example and immediatly deleting it again in a draft prevents the draft from being submitted because "example title and body are placeholders"?
only when reloading the draft the "New Example" is visible again and I must change at least title or body before I can really delete it.
Hello.
@MSeifert Yes, although it's maked status-completed: docs-beta.stackexchange.com/questions/517/… @MSeifert
@2501 Hi !
I have visited docs for the first time and it is really confusing.
Looks like a Q&A format.
@JonasCz thank you, then I put my trust in the next build :)
But it isn't supposed to be?
13:28
@2501 are you inside documentation or inside the question tab?
I have gotten the invite and have registered.
@MSeifert I have no idea. :s
@MSeifert I'll add a comment to Kevin's answer. It doesn't take 9 days for a new build to go out, must have broken again at some point
in the upper right corner there are 7 tabs from "Question" to "ask question" . there is also a "Documentation" link
@JonasCz ok thank you!
@2501 I'd also recommend reading the intro post linked in the header, if you havent already
ok it's definetly broken. I cannot get that blub-example out of docs-beta.stackexchange.com/documentation/proposed/changes/2255
@JonasCz I've also asked a question since it seems the bug has worsened. But I've linked to your question: docs-beta.stackexchange.com/questions/747/…
13:47
How general should the topics be?
@2501 I think that's a still open question ...
For example, which one would fit best:
1. Functions
2. Passing arguments to functions
3. Passing 2d arrays to functions
4. Specifying size when passing 2d arrays to functions.
I'd think "Functions" - with the other things in your list as examples under the "functions" topic.. At least that's what most existing topics look like. (IMHO, that is)
You can always move things around later (there's a split & merge feature)
that really depends on your judgement. If you think it justifies a seperate example/topic for each case then create them if not: don't. Every edit will be reviewed so it may be rejected because it's too specific. It can also be deleted if someone thinks it's too specific. I think documentation is far from guidelines like these and currently everything is handled by reviewers (other beta testers).
Hmm - I have tried a couple of times to suggest a new tag for Clojure, once you type in the text entry field I'm not seeing a submit button, so I hit enter, but then when I go to look at proposed tags, it's not there - I can't see anything in the privileges list, so I wondered whether this was a bug, or just missing functionality while in beta
13:55
@theheadofabroom Not all tags can be created yet (it's limited to more popular things for the beta)
There's a list of the allowed tags somewhere
 
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15:04
Ah, cheers @JonasCz
15:16
@theheadofabroom If you post a short chatmessage your name is dispayed as "theheadofabro" - bug or feature? :)
15:40
@JonasCz Ayy
@MSeifert bug, although for me I get theheadofabr
16:02
@TrevorClarke and @theheadofabroom You can cheat though by creating the tag on the Q&A part of the site, then it will show up in the list for documentation. Not sure if doing that is a good idea though..
Possibly not - I guess I'd just been doing a bit of Clojure recently, I don't touch the JVM particularly often, and have a load of notes I've made - I thought I could dump them all here, but it's potentially not the best idea to abuse a loophole in a beta product for your own personal benefit...
anyone wants to commit themselves to : docs-beta.stackexchange.com/documentation/numpy?
16:31
@KevinMontrose
17:19
hey @Undo how are you today?
Fairly well
17:37
@Undo could you help me with this post:
http://docs-beta.stackexchange.com/questions/753/escape-character
The topic in question can be found at this link:
http://docs-beta.stackexchange.com/documentation/proposed/changes/2301

I am only pining you because it is kinda annoying and I dont want to forget about it! xD

Thanks!
17:52
Huh, should I really be able to take someone else's work, change it a little bit, then pass it off as my own? docs-beta.stackexchange.com/documentation/proposed/changes/…
Because apparently there's a button for that.
oh, that's possible now?
I thought that was just possible for the proposer if their proposition was rejected.
@MSeifert That's what happened
would be nice to know if the original author was mentioned as contributor if yours is approved
I suspect they won't be, but we'll see
nope
lol xD
#rejected
17:57
why did you reject it?
You've got a strange definition of 'nothing' there
in name of science: approve it! :-)
because nothing was changed
lol
no
do a sample post for that
("The variable 'a' is equal to or larger than 10"); will work a lot better than ("The variable "a" is equal to or larger than 10");
you had "" inside "" and that's why your edit was rejected
I'd point out that 2304 < 2305 if I was that kind of person :)
yes
totally :-)
18:29
has Kevin been around
click on his profile and you'll see his last activity
18:56
thanks
 
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20:52
Hey @JonasCz Sup!
@TrevorClarke not much.. Approved. for this edit and your other one in JS tag, did you use the "move examples" feature ?
no...
thx for approving it tho
wait
here is a thougt
if you post something, and then it gets deleted, does it remove the +2 rep?
I'd think it would (should), but you'd have to try
ok i will
will you accept a sample post for me @JonasCz ?
#ledgithax
I cant
I have reached the 25 limit
@TrevorClarke If you're moving examples from one topic to another, you should use that "move examples" feature instead of copy-paste, it preserves ownership
@TrevorClarke yep
20:58
which I think is kinda dumb
What limit ?
okay I will look for it next time
that limit
I kinda want to write a meta post about that
its kind of annoying
you think that would be okay if I did?
Definitely
25 topics?
maybe say "Just for the beta" But even then 25 is not much
21:00
depends on the quality
yeah
but if they are all being accepted
You can write an unlimited number of answers on Q & A, so why not allow unlimited number of topics here too
Yup
do you mind if I say that in the post @JonasCz ?
Maybe it helps if we delete some of the topics you created?! :-D
...
can I use that point @JonasCz
21:03
just joking...
Can someone review my two changes in the jsoup tag ?
@TrevorClarke sure
I need it released under cc0
lol jk
Hello @KurtisBeavers
@TrevorClarke "low quality answers" > "low quality topics" ? I edited it
I think a better title would be something like "Remove the 25 topic creations / day limit" - would better reflect the actual problem
21:14
I changed it
@JonasCz Look at this:
totally makes sense
When do we expect to roll out into beta?
21:31
@TrevorClarke 6-8 weeks :-)
that was almost two months ago
Ok, more specifically: "Some time in April", according to the update: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/319319/…
I so wish i was apart of this from earlier on
How buggey was it at first @JonasCz
I only joined ~a month ago. It was pretty much the same..
Although a lot less activity
Oh
most of peoples rep right now is coming from the q&a posts
21:42
Yep. I wish i could keep it once docs gets out of beta
wait
what
@JonasCz what do you ean
mean
"Reputation earned on the Q&A portion of this site isn't going to be retained when we move back to Stack Overflow at the end of beta, so..." from docs-beta.stackexchange.com/a/437/622
Hmm, that stinks :-( — J Atkin 2 days ago
wait so ... the rep we get on SO is both stack overflow + doc rep
and do we get to keep our doc rep
We get to keep our doc rep, but just the actual doc rep, not the rep from feature requests and such
okay
that sucks
21:50
Star my message in the chat sidebar here in that case :-)
would be awesome if we do get to keep all the rep in the end
So essentially the people with lots of rep on SO will be able to have more control than some of us (who will have been working on docs for a while)
Maybe
I meant this one:
Okay, I have to go, good night !
goodnight \
i cant find it
Click the little star on one of the messages in the right chat sidebar to star it -->
Goodnight :-)
baii
got it
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Q: When we Move Out of Beta

Trevor ClarkeFrom what I understand the current plan is to move Docs to SO, and then SO rep will = Q&A + Doc rep. This also means that people from the Q&A part of SO will have access to the same privileges on the Docs portion of SO, than us users that have been contributing, and learning about what works an...

 
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23:38
@TrevorClarke Yeah, it won't be too bad.
I suspect that either (1) no one will be able to edit without going through review, or (2) the threshold for unreviewed edits will be set at 20k or similar. There won't be any difference between you (937) and me (15k) in privileges granted by rep.
And there'll be plenty of meta discussion around it for a good while.
23:51
What do you mean
I dont have 937 rep
I have like 600
oh, yeah. 637. Close enough ;)
Why wont there be any difference
Because, if the thresholds are setup as I suspect they would be, people with less than 20k won't be able to edit without going through review.
but will I have access to the review?
and plus that doesnt make it any better
the people that have not TOUCHED this site will be the ones controlling everything
Maybe, maybe not. That might be based on tag upvotes and such
23:55
Okay well I hope so
If thats the case everyone in the beta should be set up fairly nicely
If this bothers you that much... maybe you're looking at this wrong. It's a community thing, we're early explorers.
People lose privileges when sites go out of private beta all the time. Same with the transition from public beta to graduation.
but what is the point of exploring if we dont lead anyone where we have been
wow
that is getting too deep
xD
yeah I get it
We're testing the system, not setting policy.
23:57
meh
one in the same ... to a point at least
we are setting the status quoe
And plus
I am new
I started on stack overflow like last weekend
so im actually happy with my progress

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