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Sam
Sam
00:05
I'm gonna head off for the night; all the best with those bug fixes.
so I'm taking a crack at the C# types topic here: docs-beta.stackexchange.com/documentation/c%23/drafts/358
what's appropriate level of granularity we expect out of examples? I'm constantly wavering between making examples go to the bool integral floating point level, or should it go to the value, reference, pointer level?
actually, going to just ask a question
 
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08:16
@JonChan I am having the same thoughts. Or the third option: both. Because we only have a topic and examples level and it might be worth documenting the differences between value, reference etc as well as primitives etc. So probably the name 'C# Types' is a bit to vague.
08:41
I feel like the granularity of the documentation in overall is becoming a problem. I already see vague topics (i.e. reflection, generics) with some examples but they are heading toward a bucket of unsorted code.
09:37
Probably this docs-beta.stackexchange.com/questions/58/… idea might help :) It makes your decision a bit less hard to change afterwards.
 
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Sam
Sam
15:33
Why do we have two C# 6 Features topics?
Because they were both created :) ; you can propose deletion of one while also making changes to the other, if there's anything worth saving.
Sam
Sam
Ok
Hmm, interesting.
Ok, nvm. I thought there was only an option to delete an entire topic, rather than a specific example (not that it overly matters in this case).
Speaking of examples, should we really be able to vote on our own examples?
15:49
for now, yeah; after some discussion we decided it makes sense because Examples and Topics aren't really "owned" the same way Q&A post are - we're expecting a lot more long lived pages receiving lots of edits
it won't give you any rep certainly, depending on how rep shakes out we may have to revisit example & topic ownership
Sam
Sam
Ok, that's what I was wondering about.
Thanks for clarifying.
Btw, the flag count bug is still alive 'nd kicking.
There's one flag here yet nothing's showing on the dashboard.
I thought @JarrodDixon was fixing that yesterday. I'll see.
might be a flag w/ other text getting treated as mod-only
which is a little nonsensical atm, since there aren't really mods yet
odds we get better flags out today @AdamLear?
Sam
Sam
So I shouldn't really be able to see that flag then?
that's just a guess, @AdamLear's looking into it
Sam
Sam
15:56
kk
Gonna get something out today, not sure if "better" applies. :) I'm gonna spend more time playing with flags over the weekend.
So we'll have two kinds of 'flags' now?
(I'm confused, since I've never seen this)
Are flags basically 'requests for someone to type stuff in this box'?
sometimes
^ flags go in that box; they're requests to fix something about an existing piece of content (though "fix" may be delete)
@KevinMontrose What privileges does one have to have to 'handle' a flag?
15:59
topic requests are closer to "please type into an empty box about X"
@Undo they're all handled by edits atm, so none; though your edit will require review like any other.
(I'll figure this all out once you add one of my topics, but I'm curious)
Ah, okay.
On my list are things like fixing the flag count, clarifying the UI to better explain how handling flags works, and looking into when we should show what flags to what people.
Have you considered letting people 'subscribe' to a topic?
Or is this expected to be too high volume?
@Undo I've kicked around the idea of "subscribe to Documentation Dashboard" in my head, but yeah volume is a concern
I think Inbox integration is pretty important though
"subscribe" as in get notifications of changes?
16:03
@AdamLear Or even just notifications of new requests/flags/whatever
I like the idea of "favorites" (perhaps with a better name) similar to Q&A - where we'd show you a list of changes that happened when you visit Docs, but not necessarily spam your inbox with everything
@AdamLear we could put an envelope at the top of the page, and light it up randomly...
(old timer joke ::highfive::)
and then, when we decide that it's been too long since the last public outrage, we'll take away the envelope
perfect
Sam
Sam
@AdamLear Would it be an idea to only show flags to users that fulfil some kind of tag-related requirement (maybe rep, posts, etc.)?
hmm, that's an interesting idea
I think we can definitely do something with flag handling based on rep and whatnot. It's hard for us to do per-tag rep, though. It'd have to be overall or we'd have to fall back on using tag badges.
16:10
score in tag wouldn't be the absolute worst
(score here upvotes - downvotes on content with a tag)
Sam
Sam
Maybe (approved) edits could play a part too?
perhaps, I could see softer privileges like skipping review for some things based on edit history
When a topic gets 'status-completed' tag, is it expected to be tested by the testers directly, or is there a release schedule?
or some place to know the beta version has been updated?
should normally be some indication in the accompanying answer for when the change is going out, it's usually pretty immediate
last production deploy was 35 minutes ago
(there's also a rev # in the footer, but that's a little... obscure)
Sam
Sam
16:19
Will topic edits be feed into the current suggested edit queue?
Ok thanks
@Sam probably not, they work pretty differently from Q&A suggested edits
Proposed changes in docs are more of a first-class citizen. they are one of the activities one can do within Documentation. It's more analogous to posting a question or an answer, IMO.
Sam
Sam
Ok, so will the new queue require more rep/different requirements to unlock?
Not sure yet. I don't see wiring any of this into the existing review queue system... but if we do, it'd most certainly be as a separate queue - reviewing guidelines/standards for revising docs changes would be different from answer edits, etc.
Sam
Sam
Sure, makes sense.
(I'll stop bombarding you guys with questions now.)
16:32
it's all good :)
attention split right now here, but questions are good
Sam
Sam
Had to get that in there. ;)
17:22
I feel like spamming the system with every little improvement I can find. I hope the devs don't mind. Probably they have their own priority system ;).
 
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Sam
Sam
18:42
+1 I like the new pics.
@KurtisBeavers does good work
18:53
Wow, those are awesome
19:10
another round of bug fixes is rolling out
Sam
Sam
\o/
also a new feature:
Sam
Sam
Nice
Sam
Sam
19:36
Before I go ahead and add more examples of operators, I'd like a second opinion on an example I've already written. Are these kinds of examples too "wordy"?
@KevinMontrose s/responds/response
derp
fixing
If you let me in to the private beta I would give you more stuff to fix ;)
@Sam wouldn't call it too wordy
Sam
Sam
ok
19:40
@Undo only and are up and running right now, sure you want in?
@KevinMontrose I probably can't contribute much yet (probably a little to C#), but I'd love to poke around and find bugs.
Thank you! :)
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Q: Documentation search topic escaped after request

Maurice StamI try to search for foo in the C# documentation. However, the search results escaped the # in the search results after clicking the Request Topic button.

One for you @AdamLear ^
Is lack of right padding a known thing?
(where it turns white is where my next window starts)
which page? (probably a bug for @KurtisBeavers)
(Safari latest on a 13" screen)
19:52
@Undo Hmm. I'm seeing it now. Probably broke something a few rounds ago. Will fix soon.
Looks like something isn't pinned to something else
There are so many things here that I want implemented on the main site
heard that a couple times - lots of stuff that may get ported over if everything works out
Is the handle-this-flag button implemented yet?
technically - but it's super unclear what it's doing
Clicking it does nothing that I can tell
20:03
yeah, it sets a bit server side... and then doesn't tell you it did
As a moderator, I would expect it to bring up the no-action-needed flag-dismissing dialog. That might be a good place to explain what it actually does.
if you submit a draft afterwards it'll claim it's handling that flag
As well as not have a one-click not-undoable action
@AdamLear's doing a run through on flags, lots of things to fix there
yeah, that's on the list of things to fix/clarify
20:13
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Q: Injection vulnerability in edit comments

UndoI just tried to make a fake proposal, with a rather... interesting edit comment. And this happened: It looks like I managed to end a <script> tag (which is exactly what I was trying to do). This means I could probably start a script tag, which is a bad thing. I think that http://docs-beta.sta...

That there is my first injection find in SE code
ha, </script> strikes again
it's in the JSON for the init call
Interestingly, I can't even retract it because the JS is all broken >:D
Yep
yah, will have a fix soon
20:39
@Undo fix just rolled out
Awesome
@KevinMontrose I assume you're okay with me poking things like that?
yeah
nothing's off limits really, it's a beta
Sam
Sam
21:17
I've just been thinking a little more on the rep discussion post; and I've got a few ideas for the system, but I was thinking of separating each idea into its own answer (community wiki'd) to allow the community to individually vote on each proposal. (Rather than just posting a single answer with all my suggestions glued together.) Would that indeed be the better approach?
it probably doesn't matter too much at the moment, since we'll probably have to create new posts anyway once the rest of the system is more "settled"
Sam
Sam
ok

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