@DavidK Unfortunately, question protection doesn't work that way. :( There need to be at least two "low quality" answers before a 15k+ user can protect it. Also, if I remember correctly there is a 24 hour waiting period before it can be protected, although shog made an exception for The Workplace, and we can do it "immediately" after getting 2 "low quality" answers.

Of course, diamond moderators can protect any question without any restrictions.

@DavidK no worries, sexual title blocks it from getting into HNQ...

...just enjoy watching how such questions could be handled normally, without being polluted by hordes of Stack Overflow lemmings. :) Lucky folks at Math.SE can do tricks like that to almost all of their questions by injecting MathJAX into titles. Just put dollar signs around some number or letter and say bye-bye to HNQ (and they do that, I saw it)

...at Math.SE any 2K user can drop the question off HNQ with a simple title edit. And guess what, sky didn't fall on them because of that, their site is doing fine

Lucky them, although I see math.se having much less issues with HNQ, TWP is just ripe to attract all kind of weirdos!

I have a lighthearted professional question! do you guys have any rule of thumb about when to include skills in your CV/Linkedin?

@angarg12 Is it something the employer is going to care about, and can you provide objective, quantified, evidence for said skill.

Even better, just provide the evidence and let the employer draw their own conclusions. "Show, don't tell" as it were.

I'm doing a lot of learning and playing around with different technologies on my own, but I don't use them professionally or on daily basis, so I am kind of hesitant to put them in my skillset

on the other hand linked is bloated with skills, every other person is a CTO or CEO, so I feel like I'm losing the race if I don't play the same game ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

@angarg12 I basically update my CV when I'm applying for something (or occasionally if I learn/do something I want to add in between), I have more stuff than I have space for so I just choose whatever is most relevant to whatever I'm applying for that can fit

> Programmers have to know all languages. if there's one you don't know you have to learn it in no more than a day.

Sounds a bit excessive. I'd certainly take longer then a day to pick up the in's and out's of a language

@angarg12 I would ignore Linkedin's "skills" (I'm pretty sure every recruiter and hiring manager does). What matters on a CV is quantifiable evidence.

Everything else is fluff.

I wonder about that, I started getting flooded by recruiters once I posted a certain skillset online

anway that's not going to change what I have learned

@Magisch I taught myself VBA in about a week, but I had a strong foundation from a top school. I think it depends on how strong a programming foundation you have.

@angarg12 When it comes to CVs. If you're not coming in through a personal connection, then getting past the Applicant Tracking system does involve a lot of "Keyword Bingo"

The key is to get the word on your CV in a form that won't get you picked out for being deceptive later.

@RichardU My foundation consists of "Code this"

@DavidK Not just me then... feel like that's been the story of my (TWP) life for the last few weeks!

And lots of overflowing stacks

That lets you get your widespread experience on your CV in a way that a hiring manager isn't going to consider deceptive when they actually read it.

@RichardU My first day in my job, I was given an Excel-Based dashboard and asked to automate it.

About a year of reading, googling, and coding later, I considered myself proficient in VBA.

Today, 2 years after that, I now consider myself vaguely-not-terrible in VBA ^^

@Magisch and this is why 90% of all code is garbage, not because of the programmer, but because management pulls that "code this" nonsense.

@Kaz I had wonderful encouragement. The hiring manager said that I had 2 weeks to be able to produce.

@RichardU I followed all the common style conventions for my code

But it is pretty garbage in terms of encapsulation and modularity

@RichardU I came into it with zero coding experience, and nobody more experienced to learn from.

Fortunately, they were happy to just leave me alone to take as long as I needed.

But "organic growth" is how you end up with functions like this:

It was a long year though.

@Kaz I can imagine.

findCasingFromPCBType(pcbid as string, optional findfileidinstead as boolean, optional findconfigidinstead as boolean, optional findorderinstead as boolean, optional orderfilteryear as string)

At least it's reasonably clear about what it's doing.

Though has this person never heard of CamelCase?

@Kaz because I translated / explained it

The actual thing is cryptic as hell

lemme post the actual function

Oh, and let me just announce my murderous intent towards the people who can record Excel macros and then proclaims themselves to be coders

getghs(lz_id as string, optional lza_f as boolean, optional lza_c as boolean, optional lzar_s as bollean, optional lza_j_o as string)

@Kaz That is the function as copied from the code

@Magisch Ah, yes. That is rather horrific.

@Kaz or, more annoyingly, from the one apprentice project that somehow became a business critical application 7 years ago:

public function asl_c (b as variant, dl as variant, nl as variant, optional cz as boolean, optional uz as boolean, optional uzx as integer, optional uzp as float) as variant

@Magisch My eyes!

forgot something :p

@Magisch code like that would warrant a visit in the parking lot after hours for some non verbal conflict resolution.

asked 49 secs ago -> deleted by Community♦ 32 secs ago Damn smokey you're getting faster

@RichardU I give you my first ever VBA code:

pastebin.com/xJAp9x96

It is, mercifully, short.

@Magisch oh gawd... I think I just threw up in my mouth a little

I even put some comments in there ^^

@Kaz Not that bad, could have used case or eshewed the casing alltogether since the modifications based on the cases are so predictable, but still

Not bad

@Magisch I had zero idea what those things were at the time :)

Fast forward about a year, and I knew just enough to be dangerous.

First time I tried to post a project to CR, it got rejected for violating the character limit.

IIRC, it was something like 10k lines of code.

I wrote a module that grabs the printscreen you made with ALT+PRINT off your clipboard and compresses it as PNG and then saves it

Let me just tell you right now that using native windows api's with access 2003 is like building a wooden bridge across an active vulcano

Hi guys, Question before I post it and would get downvote on it.

So I had to make urgent appointment with doctor and told my manager

He said we don't give out on short notice, I explained to him about my pain and how I am spitting blood. He told me I am not being honest with him.

He sounded like agitated to me

What country are you in

He said if I can do this do this, that and this before leaving

I said, I am not as I don't want to give u feeling of What you think (not being honest)

If you're anywhere in europe - just go. If it's as bad as it sounds your employer has no right to advance notice or objection. Simply deliver them the doctor's letter afterwards

@Magisch UK

Yeah, just go. Telling him at all was a courtesy

Health first. Always

He said jus take pain killers, One doesnt seem a doctor for chills and they dont call back

I said yes wen your spitting blood.

You could have just called in one day "I'm experiencing heavy pain / a medical issue that requires urgent treatment. I'll be on sick time until $date. Doctor's note will follow in $time"

No asking

But he made me feel like i don't knpow

@Nofel Genuine Medical Emergencies (And coughing up blood certainly counts) means you leave work immediately, and go straight to a hospital.

Yeah, no

Ignore that moron

Just go to the doctor / hospital

they can't fire or discipline you for this

He did ignored me when i asked, Am I falling behind deadlines

You don't ask to leave, you just say "I have a medical emergency. I'm going to the hospital". Give them any information they might need in 1 minute flat and then go.

and attempting to keep you from getting medical attention is a severe criminal violation

@Nofel yep coughing up blood certainly counts as an urgent medical need

I can't and that seem off to him

my mrs have to pick me up

from where i give

1 hour drive

Let me repeat again: Deadlines and your manager's opinion are of no concern. Make sure to get the treatment you need. No job is worth dying over and this one certainly isn't.

Cant leave all of sudden

@Nofel Can't what?

get yourself to the docs ASAP!

but his way was creepy

Hell, just call an ambulance

@Nofel Yes. You can and you should.

Spitting blood certainly qualifies

You can and you should leave

If you can't drive yourself, call an ambulance. Either way you leave. Immediately.

I will but my concern here is my manager

why he is acting this way

What is he going to do?

I did told him on short notice

Figure that out when you got your medical attention

if you can't get a GP appointment on short notice then depending upon severity either an NHS walk in centre or if it comes to it A&E

don't worry about your manager, worry about your health!

I am good employee, not falling behind

@motosubatsu You don't see a GP about coughing up blood. You go straight to a hospital.

Am i being schedule

he replied

when your ready check abc files in

as to why he is acting that way it's hard to say but the most likely explanation is that he's an asshole

check in those files*

@Nofel Just to be clear, is this happening now or did it happen in the past?

@Nofel Not important right now. What's important is that you get your medical needs taken care of

30 min back

Now

@Nofel Then GO!

Get yourself to the hospital or the doctor

NOW

Your stupid ass manager's opinion isn't worth dying over.

@Kaz apologies wasn't clear.. if he can get an on-spec appointment at his GP that can sometimes be faster than waiting times at a walk in or A&E and I think we're both on the same page that getting seen by a medical type ASAP is what he should be aiming for

@motosubatsu You walk into A&E coughing up blood and you better believe you don't wait in line ^^

If I was spitting blood I'd call an ambulance

Not worth taking these risks with your own health

@Magisch Ambulance is also a good call.

@Nofel Ignore your health, and you'll end up like I did. In the hospital with a stroke, and unable to work for five years.

GO TO THE HOSPITAL NOW!

At the very least call 999 and tell them the situation.

depending on what makes you spit blood an hour give or take can make a difference between dying of something or not

I agree with @Magisch

call an ambulance

@RichardU I think (hope) he's gone already.

@Kaz good!

There aren't any mild diseases that make you cough blood

when you cough blood something is severely wrong and needs immediate attention

If this is ongoing then I'm with @RichardU... ambulance is the way to go

@Magisch yep.

waiting for a regular lift is a BAD idea

To be honest if a coworker of mine started coughing blood someone else in here would call the ambulance

What kind of asshat manager tries to get them to stay

The only thing that could mean coughing up blood and nothing serious would be a cut in the mouth and you swallowed a little blood. everything else should be treated as an emergency

@Magisch same here.. and that's been true even in some of the more asshole-places I've worked

@RichardU Large enough cut in the mouth to cause that would still be serious

@Magisch minor cut

Easy way to get sepsis is have larg amounts of salive with the 5000 undetected bacteria types in your bloodstream

minor cuts in the mouth don't bleed that much

I coughed up blood exactly once in my life

really awful pneumonia

@Nofel As and when you get medical attention and are (hopefully) cleared. Please do let us know you're alright.

Failing to go to the doctor immediately could have easily killed me

I sneezed blood before. I had a nosebleed at the time. Really shows you how far a sneeze travels when it happens..

the only non-serious one I can think of that would have you spitting a significant amount of blood is dental work, and since he didn't mention it I'm guessing that's not the case here

@Magisch my health is shattered due to being such a 'go along to get along' type in the past. If I've got 10 more years on this earth, I'm lucky.

Nurse says it is not that urgent

But have given me appointment

as it should be investigated.

But I am concerned about my manager behaviour

@Nofel and rightly so... being an arse when an employee has a scary medical symptom is not on

What you mean

well just that really.. you were coughing up blood (which is scary and can be a sign of very, very serious problems - see everyone's reaction here), you told him this and he responded by telling you that you can't go as you're "behind on X, Y & Z" That makes him an arsehole

Your manager is a moron and you need to limit your contact to him and possibly seek new work

If a manager even tried this in my company they'd be fired before they finished the sentence

What's next? Telling a gunshot victim they have to finish their daily tasks before going to the ER? What your guy did isn't far from that. FFS

@Magisch To be fair, we are making all sorts of assumptions here about what, exactly, @Nofel communicated to them, and what, exactly, they thought was going on. But yes, doesn't look good either way.

@Nofel never gamble with your health. I'm the perfect bad example of what happens when you do.

He didnt tell me I was behind XYZ, I asked him,"Am i behind schedule" to which he replied, You should check in ABC as well.

the thing is if en employee of mine was asking to go to the docs because they were coughing up blood I wouldn't give a shit about whether they were behind or not on their work

Yea, Even I told him I will in late today coz of XYZ, He texted me saying if ABC is checked in on friday (I missed one file) and when I came in, he was all ninja on me

I told him, I mentioned

and he said oh yea he forgot

I am unable to figure why

he is being hard

@Kaz sure, sure. But even downplaying it if someone mentions coughing up blood the only(!) humane reaction is to tell them to get to a medical professional now

There is a reason why generally people freak out when you mention it and that's because it's a serious symptom that needs immediate investigating

He didnt freaked out

he was more freaked about me not checking in with things

@Nofel I think Magisch was referring to the fact that we freaked out... and that your boss is an arse for NOT freaking out about ti

*it

I am still freaked out.

So assuming he is arse, how do i talk to him regarding the issue

and tell him I am not ok with him stepping onto my feet

to be honest if he's that much of an arse he is unlikely to see reason so I would just keep my head down and start actively job hunting

I get great offer but

It the probation and sense of how will the new job will be

and will be pass probation

that really scares me

I can understand that... probation periods are always a bit of a gamble

but you have to ask yourself whether you see the current situation improving?

rightly or wrongly I get the impression that you've not been having a great time at your current job

@Nofel it sounds like your boss is a nut and that you should find somewhere else to work.

I like someone advice here to limit my interaction

I can put it this way, I havent had history of good manager

@Nofel Your choices are either: Stay where you are, and accept that your Manager won't change. Or find a new job.

hello

@heather Hey, how's your job hunt?

@heather hello, I hope all is well with you

wow, it took a whole 27 seconds for a spam post to get killed. We're slowing down, people.

off topic: I'm taking my first driving lesson later today! (I'm 24)

@LangeHaare all the best!

@SoylentGray anyone who hates government is okay in my book.

@RichardU That government is best which governs least - Civil Disobedience (Thoreau)

@RichardU Have you seen the Big Short yet?

@SoylentGray, no, but as of now, it's officially on my list.

@RichardU It needs to be...

@SoylentGray I got my distaste for government at an early age from all those who wanted to "help" me because of my disabilities/

With that kind of help....

NO THANK YOU

I have a long line of service and I can trace my family to both the mayflower and Jamestown. I have ancestors that served in every war and conflict, and have 8 years service myself... and I find myself crying at the state today.

@SoylentGray I tried to enlist, but was rejected due to my hearing. Both my brother and my father served. My father saw what was happening and shared your feelings. It's disgusting.

We have surrendered personal responsibility and adopted a greater good mentality.

@SoylentGray I was on welfare for exactly three months, I couldn't get off of it fast enough, but that made me hate government even more.

@SoylentGray I don't hate government. I just don't trust them to be competent.

@Kaz I dont hate all government. This one though... wow

thanks chad :D

@enderland ?

> deleted by IDrinkandIKnowThings, enderland♦ 44 secs ago

@enderland Um, wow. Not sure if mods can link him to the tour or help center - I think he probably needs it!

@enderland lol ok I was going to say you are my Mike Lee of TWP. The only person in government I trust to try to make it better :P'

I'm pretty willing to delete stuff. but it's always a looot easier if I'm the 2nd or 3rd delete vote...

@DavidK we can comment on deleted posts as mods, yeah

guys, dear admins, I need some help very badly... I have posted an ANONYMOUS question here at workplace but somehow the profile picture was assigned from my other stackexchange accounts... This is terrible because this profile picture I use everywhere and I don't want to be related to this question (that's why I made it anonymous) ...but since it is an "anonymous" user I can't edit the picture... HELP please :(

@enderland is actually the one you just edited

@LorenaSalamanca are you tried registering the new one you just created and then adding some random avatar?

yes, I registered and assigned a random avatar but now it takes it as a different account

I think the big mistake was to use my regular email as the anonymous account

but I also used it to register later to see if the question was going to be added to my profile and I could delete it

at this point I'm all up to even delete the question!

I'm looking into this

thanks! @enderland

@LorenaSalamanca I can just delete that user account entirely if you want, I think it's complicated given how the email address thing works right now

yes please

the important thing for me is that this question has that picture un-related

if it's easier, you can delete the question

I delete the account I made

> This account is scheduled to be deleted in 23 hours. To cancel deletion, click here.

When I'm being anonymous I do a couple things. First, I have several emails and the domains I own all have "catch-all" aliases so I can make one that says "[email protected]" and it'll get to me.

Second, I use a completely different browser. Normally I use Chrome so I'll use Edge or IE if I'm being "sneaky"

That way there's no risk of cookie collision.

let me rephrase that. with a catch-all I don't have to make one, I just put whatever I want as the account and if the account doesn't exist, all email goes to my main account automatically.

I'm sneaky, plus I'm old. I've been on the net since before there was a "web" :)

It's a good idea in general to have several addresses anyway. I have gmail, hotmail, and yahoo, icloud plus a personal domain name and 2 side projects.

@LangeHaare not too well unfortunately. I don't really know enough to a. know where to look or b. how to interpret the prerequisites on ads. And also, being a student severely limits jobs - remote/in-area, and part-time in some manner.

I am doing better in some ways though - I've added more things to github, gotten more involved with an open source project I use, and i'm writing my first question to post on code review.

@ChristopherEstep age and treachery will always overcome youth and skill.

but when you have all 3, it's WINNING :)

@LorenaSalamanca should be taken care of now

@Kaz So I been prescribed a blood test but I had infection in my head that made me dizzy

So I made a appoitment card which tell I was at this hosptial for this reason for my manager

Now question is how do I put it to him

as he said "I don't think your being honest"

I did, but how should I present him