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Richard U

13:31

@ChristopherEstep in general, refusing any training is considered a CLM

bilbo_pingouin

14:00

CLM?

bilbo_pingouin

14:16

career limiting move, I guess...

Stephie

14:27

bilbo_pingouin

Stephie

hi!

I like this "I automated my job" question!

bilbo_pingouin

it's a tricky situation... but I am a bit suspicious with the "I am not a programmer" and "I programmed myself out of a job" kind of things...

either both are true, and then the tasks were very trivial.

or it's only part of the job that was automated

Kaz

@bilbo_pingouin I'm very suspicious of "Not a programmer ....... 27 thousand lines of code"

bilbo_pingouin

that as well

to be honest the general one is something that is pending on 50-80% of the jobs in a more or less long time scale...

many jobs will probably get automated

Kaz

14:52

@bilbo_pingouin Yeah. It's more a question of the speed of change. Jobs have been being automated for a long time now. So far, the economy has always managed to adjust.

bilbo_pingouin

true enough.

But as "nature" has so far well recovered from most changes, there is a question of when it gets to too much...

we may come to a point where low-qualification jobs can all be done by machines/computers... and that would require another big shift in the economy

CGP Grey explains it well enough :)

Kaz

15:13

@bilbo_pingouin He does a lot of good explanations ^^

bilbo_pingouin

@Kaz that he does :D

with last week's election I've been mentioning him a lot these days

Richard U

15:26

@Kaz when I see "not a programmer" and "27000 lines of code", I think "Job security maintaining the damn thing.

@bilbo_pingouin Just wait. Pretty soon we will own nothing.

Literally everything will be a service.

You won't own a car, you'll have one pick you up and drop you off when you need it.

You already don't own your music or software.

There are even clothing rental services for simple clothing, not even formal wear

bilbo_pingouin

@RichardU or books

Richard U

@bilbo_pingouin exactly

I wonder if we'll even own pots, pans or plates in the future

nobody is cooking any longer as it is

bilbo_pingouin

that's an interesting point actually

people are still cooking though

but I know that plastic forks and knives will be prohibited in at least a country in the next years

Richard U

15:53

@bilbo_pingouin that's for now, who knows, we may have compostable dishes and flatware in the future. and who knows where plastic recycling may be soon

DoritoStyle

16:12

Cars As A Service is already starting to be a thing; lyft will help you buy a car if you meet certain usage requirements in their system

Richard U

@DoritoStyle yep. and when the technology of self-driving cars is perfected, we're going to see a major shift in all sorts of usage. Hopefully, rail and jet services will adapt as well

Raoul Mensink

16:55

@RichardU I would if I had an kitchen.

Richard U

@RaoulMensink That's the thing. I'm wondering if we will even have kitchens in the future.

Raoul Mensink

I live in an old building, they and I Quote "Were not allowed to put gas connections in apppartments for cooking purposes". They didnt bother placeing them in since 1944 so.

Richard U

@RaoulMensink we'll likely move to "meals on demand" where the packaging is compostable and can go in the trash.

Raoul Mensink

@RichardU computer says "No."

Richard U

"Open the Pizza box, HAL". "I'm sorry, Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that".

Kaz

17:06

@RichardU +100 for "All voluntary work events are mandatory."

Raoul Mensink

As someone who eats all his meals outside the door. I like my Food as it is. Don't Change it, just dont.

@Kaz it still confuses me that people still think that voluntary work event != "Forced" work Event

Christopher Estep

it's also abuse of our system which allows "exempt" workers to be paid salary.

David K

17:36

@RaoulMensink Not sure where you are, but in the US it's pretty common for apartments not to have gas connections. That's why they make electric stoves.

Richard U

18:34

@RaoulMensink it's because they are only voluntary on paper. Don't go, and you will hurt your career.

Kaz

Perhaps they should be renamed to "Voluntary-but-not-consequence-free work events"

Richard U

@Kaz, one place I worked, if you missed the holiday party, your name was mud unless you were either in the hospital or the morgue.

1 hour later…

Richard U

19:55

HAH! Hit the cap again today!

Aaron Hall

🙌

Richard U

20:13

Was watching Youtube. Saw a scammer REKT by hacker. He SYSKEYED the scammer's machine! ROFL!

Rory Alsop

20:27

@RichardU that was fun - seem to be a few like that, but getting the scammer to realise they had lost not only that laptop, but also the entire domain, as it was running as the controller was priceless.

DoritoStyle

20:38

@Kaz I think you hit the nail on the head there, "Voluntary-but-not-consequence-free work events"

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An oldie-but-goodie from the meta vaults:

Q: Why was my flag of a redundant answer declined?

According to here (and other discussions on meta), we are trying to cut down on repetitive answers. I don't have enough reputation to cast delete votes. Today I flagged this one with the following note: "Once you remove the rant from the answer it boils down to "hire interns", which was already...

Seems like parts of this site encourage liberal flagging but that hasn't really been in-line with Mod practices for quite some time.

My take away is that Mods would much rather you use down-votes & comments for "technical" issues instead of Mod flags (only truly heinous things get delted anyway)

BUT I don't think that is addressed well for new users; the guidelines seem to encourage flagging as benign and a good way to help out. The result is that new users get flag-locked before they learn the rules of the road.

Maybe something new for the meta, or has this already been given thought?

Richard U

21:09

@DoritoStyle you make life in here interesting, I'll grant you that

DoritoStyle

Meta is life. Meta is justice.

Who doesn't love a good meta? ;)

Richard U

We are meta of Borg, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated

RESISTANCE IS USELESS..... if less than one ohm

DoritoStyle

21:38