I seem to notice a bit of a pattern. Whenever there are questions that come up that involve some sort of policy, or law, a lot of people think: "Oh, this is asking for us to interpret the policy or law". Even when that is not actually the case.
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@Lilienthal @Old_Lamplighter Done, waited two days after sending an email to the third person at HR. I spoke to the third person I emailed, she said that she didn't know I lost internet connection when taking the hacker rank challenge. It was the second or third person I emailed about losing my internet connection during the hacker rank challenge. Should I forward that email to her that explains the internet connection loss I experienced during the online coding challenge?
@Old_Lamplighter You write in C++ which can be quite cryptic. A programming language like Java or to a lesser extent C# that spells out what the programmer is doing would be easier to maintain in the long run, I imagine.
@starboy there's plenty of unmaintainable code in any language. I've written a ton of Java and C#, and it all starts to rot the second you commit it.
Code is kind of like a fruit really
Starts off amazing, and gets worse and worse with age until it's a moldy mess that no one wants anything to do with, even if no one's touched it the whole time.
Yeah, "training" would fit. Even then a manager wouldn't really train their team, they'd send them to training classes maybe, but not personally train. But it seems close enough to warrant the assumption.
@starboy Code doesn't decay and get slower over time. It gets slower if people are not taking the time to keep it in good working order when they change it. Also, you know, the most useful property for code bases are good abstractions. It means you can replace bits of the codebase without having to update the entire codebase.
@starboy Also, again, want to throw it out there that Google, Microsoft, Apple don't have a single codebase each, they have multiple code bases. And I know for a fact that all three use both C and C++ extensively. So it is possible to have maintainable codebases in those languages.
@GregoryCurrie Yup, too many chefs in the kitchen ruin the meal, or so it goes. Would Test Driven Development help make code easier to maintain?
@GregoryCurrie That's good to know. From what I've read C++ has changed so much over the years that C++ code from more than five years ago would look almost unrecognizable to modern C++.
@starboy The important thing about code is good form and maintainability. For my latest project, I am reaching back to use procedures I wrote five years ago, completely unchanged. Hard code as little as possible, parameterize as much as possible, and modularize as much as practical.
Also, SHOP STANDARDS ARE A BIG THING
Naming conventions, meaningful variable names, and following your own rules.
And before anyone flips, we should all be good to each other. I don't like those words because they're generally used by people who's motives are less than pure. None of these words really mean anything on their own, and are most often used to bully people.
@Old_Lamplighter Let me check if I understand those tech terms. Procedures are functions. Modularize means to break code into smaller parts, so does modularize mean to put code into functions and classes that you can instantiate or classes that are used as libraries?
@Old_Lamplighter What does parameterize mean?
@GregoryCurrie Why wouldn't TDD be useful for legacy code?
@GregoryCurrie Like Jenkins? Any other popular automated testing software tools?
@GregoryCurrie One of the companies that want to interview me use TDD and pair programming. Pair programming kinda concerns me as I can't multitask, and might find it difficult to focus if I am paired with someone when developing software. If pair programming is a red flag please someone let me know. I sense micromanagement when I hear pair programming.
@GregoryCurrie Why do you think TDD is overhyped? Does it slow down the development process by any chance.
@Old_Lamplighter haha, you sure are not part of generation z. If you were, thinking like this would get you in big trouble with your peers.
@Old_Lamplighter Not a fan of "unpack" and "problematic" you cranky bastard
@starboy By definition TDD means to write tests and then develop code. If you already have legacy code, it just doesn't fit. I mean, you can write automated tests to ensure there is no regression, but that is not TDD.
@Old_Lamplighter speaking of offending people. This happened to me on the bus. I saw and heard a 17 year old girl talking loudly to her gen z friends about a guy she knows, she described him as retarded, only to then reveal seconds later that he is autistic and has ADHD. One of the guys she was telling this to then tried to explain that "ADHD is someone who can't pay attention".
@Old_Lamplighter I read an answer of yours which mentioned you either had autism or ADHD, how do you feel about someone publicly making very derogatory remarks like this like it is acceptable to do so? This is why I don't think people should mention mental health issues when applying for jobs. This girl could be working in HR, and reject every applicant who mentions ADHD or autism.
@starboy my hide is as thick as an elephant's. Whever someone insults someone by using the word "autism", like "Damn, I didn't know that level of autism existed", I'll chime in by saying "Hey now, we've got a bad enough rap as it is, don't make us take credit for him too!"
Humor is the best weapon, or turning it back on people, or just being friendly.
@starboy And as for why I think it's over-hyped? It's a development paradigm that focuses on the end result at the expense of have a well designed process to get that result. I'm am mildly concerned about the initial time investment. Like, if TDD was used to make cars, you basically be assembling the car as you go. And you get towards the end and you're like: "Oh, this car was meant to have 4 doors, let's just weld these additional doors here".
In reality, you should write the code considering your requirements, and not just bumbling along hoping to make more and more tests pass, and hope that at the end of the process the code that has been written is sane.
I'm sure TDD has its uses. But I've not come across them in my professional life.
@starboy as to modularize, I mean make plenty of functions, classes, libraries as possible. If a piece of code is doing more than one or two things, see if it can be broken out. into smaller pieces. And yes, once you build your own library, it can greatly reduce dev time, and increase accuracy as well as limit bugs
I'm def not Gen Z, but I like the zoomers. much more sense than previous generations.
@GregoryCurrie Some of those words scream passive aggressive. I see @Old_Lamplighter 's point, some people weaponize some of those words for their own gain all the while believing themselves to hold the moral high ground.
@Old_Lamplighter Wow, this is deep. It makes a lot of sense. A lot of the woke people are earning a decent living or are well off. They must see themselves as saviors
@AIQ another word of warning about the woke left. If you are of a "protected class", and disagree with them, they will drop all sense of pretense and come after you HARDER than anyopne else, because they feel that you are ungrateful for all their hard work.
@GregoryCurrie True. I wasn't planning on integrating it into my workflow. A company that wants to interview me use TDD, I wanted to know if it will be a dealbreaker for me, that and pair programming
@GregoryCurrie yeah, they lose their crap when I pound on the American's with disabiltieis act. Hell, what do I know, I'm just an American with disabilities, while they are the wokerati
@GregoryCurrie I don't play along with their bullshit ... The things that say ... no one is grateful for anything ... they are all someone complaining about everyyyythingggg
Ok so, I see these few people everyday ... I have been going to this particular starbucks for like 3 years now ... I pretty much wrote half of my master's thesis sitting there ...
@Old_Lamplighter Is that the difference between successful people and unsuccessful people? If you know law then that background should give you a big advantage in knowing how to "work the system".
@starboy It just means that systems are guidelines, and you need to know the system well enough to know where it doesn't work, then make your own rules
She reminds me of my niece in many ways, my niece is 19 and I haven't seen her since 2016 ... so ,.., anyways ... I was talking to this girl and asked her if she would consider moving to the States for her college or graduate studies ... she is very interested in studying Psychology ...
@Old_Lamplighter I knew it. I'm yet to see an older person with tattoos, except retired athletes. I don't have one myself but I see them as art. In some cultures like the Maori of New Zealand, tattoos are like a birth right.
@Old_Lamplighter Yeah that logic or statistics won't work with these people trust me ... they don't read but are all about going down to protests and all about the free-life ...
@AIQ I was in Colorado when some California street gangs tried to move in. That didn't last long, as cowboys don't tend to run from a fight, and come well armed.
@starboy If you're asked to make a decision about something, you need to try to understand enough to be able to make a decision (and be able to justify it). Rather than getting a single opinion that may have absolutely NOTHING to do with what you need to do.
I mean, you can't fake something you fundamentally don't understand.
@starboy in the early days of the internet, when we spoke of kilobytes and floppy disks, and some of us even of tape drives, I was a grandmaster troll. Now, I have retired and teach the youngling of the true art of trolling.
@Old_Lamplighter Haha, excellent point, but Justin Trudeau is so handsome, how can anyone criticise him for being caught in black face. They say that good looking people get away with more, if you needed further evidence look no more.
@Old_Lamplighter Ben Shapiro seemed genuinely pissed as this ... like every JP fan was super pissed ... I am a big Captain America fan ... and this really made me feel like throwing up ...
@AIQ he's frustrated because he knows what's coming, as do I, as do many older folks. We've been around the block enough time to see the signs of trouble.
As it is, the attacks on him contributed to his breakdown and nearly dying, while his enemies reveled in it. disgusting.
@Old_Lamplighter Well consider me "old" then too cause I don't like what's going on ... total government takeover ... an authoritarian left to rule us all ...
I have serious logical disagreement with what they are doing here ... in the name of diversity and equality/equity ... they are actually depriving people of opportunity ...
@starboy, here's a powerful weapon: Never attack the logic, attack the premise. One can put forth unassailable logic from a false premise, but if you refuse to accept the premise itself, the logic falls apart.
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@AIQ That's why I hate the Americans with Disabilities act, it has made it HARDER for people with disabilities
@Old_Lamplighter Isn't the American midwest where people shot each other for any altercations? That's what I read was the reason people in the midwest are so nice to each other. You won't find many people starting drama with strangers over there.
@AIQ Employers dont want to hire "Walking potential lawsuits", an actual term I've heard
@starboy The American midwest is sparsely populated, and very VERY hostile terrain. People NEED each other. If you see someone at the side of a road, you WILL stop and help, or they may die waiting for help.
@AIQ Okay, take the term "mansplaining". I challenge that there is even such a thing. (Jordan peterson did the same thing). Get them to define their terms, challenge the assertions.
Another good one is the wage gap. Challenging that premise.....
@AIQ She has a point thought. You could be minding your business singing "rain drops are falling...", and someone runs up to you and shoots you with the gun they bought at walmart.
@starboy That can happen anywhere ... even if you say the chances of that happening in the US is much higher than in Canada, that still doesn't qualify as a good argument ... and it seems very ignorant to put down a country like that ...
Like okay imagine this, the conversation was about higher studies, right ... so think about it this way ... when you are thinking about applying to college, would you factor in the probability that a random person walks up to you and shoots you ...
you say anything people don't like ... then you have committed a serious offense ...you have violently attacked them ... and the law will take you in ..
Well, to pull a JP here, well, what do you mean by "equality", and "diversity"? Equality of outcome means punishing people for having natural talent or unparalleled drive.
@Old_Lamplighter Damn. Another gem. Ever thought of writing a book about all this? Actually don't, the woktivists might come after you with their pitch forks
How are you going to improve the inclusivity - what dimensions will be used? Now they use skin color and gender as the only two dimensions ... but what about - talent, income, wealth, height, IQ, country of birth, religion ....
@AIQ true story: I was arguing with a woke woman (middle class) about "privilege" I said, gee, I didn't feel too privileged when I was homeless. Her response? "You were still white"
Even then, (using their own logic against them), if you have 50 employees in a company, how will you ensure inclusivity? Because ... gender is fluid ... or infinite ...
Ask any brown people, okay okay, let's not use that color, ask any South Asian person in NA, and we don't really care about the institutional or systemic racism ... we are happy ...we have food and clean water and clean air ...
@Old_Lamplighter hmmm, is that for the average person. I mean does that take into account their profession, like I'm sure that statistic for a high school student would be lower.
@starboy the numbers are completely fudged. most years, deaths in mass shootings don't reach 100 out of 350 million, and never over 1000 that I know of. the WORST mass shootings in US history were done by the US government itself.
So, that's a better argument for GOVERNMENT control than gun control.
I have encountered racist people, had conversations with them, then went home, and watched Netflix and then came out to play basketball with other white folks ...
@Old_Lamplighter Knife crime in the UK is pretty bad. I don't quite believe London has a higher murder rate than New York, considering facts, and the several TV shows in New York that are based around solving murder, e.g. CSI, Law and Order etc.
London's population might be bigger, if so, then it makes sense
> Oh, BTW folks. nature hates neat statistics. if a stat ends in a 5 or a 0, it's likely fudged, not always, but likely.
@AIQ dislike of the unlike is a basic human trait, and it comes from our disgust instinct. Simply stated, when Og and zog come out of their cave and meet groog from another tribe, they go home and zog suddenly gets sick and dies. So, we developed the instinct to avoid those that are different. it can be overome, but it is a natural instinct, and not at all related to hate.
It stirs up our threat instinct
@AIQ look up Daryl Davis for a truly remarkable man
@Old_Lamplighter Old_Lamp ... I am currently working on a project as a research assistant ... it is about understanding and dealing with the barriers that students with disabilities and indigenous students face in going for international exchange study programs ... and some of the things I am hearing really doesn't make a lot of sense to me ...
@AIQ I grew up at a time when the mantra was "Life isn't fair", and "see the person, not the disability". We have to play in the real world, so we have to play by the rules of the real world.
The thing is, I've had more trouble with people trying to act in my interests than from actual bigots and bullies.
Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be “cured” against one’s will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals. -CS Lewis
@starboy I'm actually Gen 1.5 My mother's first language was not English. I can understand German, but not speak it well.
@AIQ Yes, I think that is moto.
@starboy ah, that brings me to another one of life's irritations. I was put in "special" classes growing up which conflicted with German classes, I could not take German in school.
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