@motosubatsu @Hosch250 @RichardSaysReinstateMonica I just received an offer of £60, 000 from another UK start up (a fintech startup). I was fine with the offer I received from the first company because I am more motivated by learning software architectural skills than money but such a high compensation is difficult to ignore.

The person I spoke to also stressed that there is no pressure for me to stay with the company long term and that I could leave after two years. He had a very American mindset/attitude towards a software engineering career

Start up B is also remote but only for a period of time after which I would move to the south of the UK. What does everyone think? @Hosch250 you mentioned that a salary of £60,000 is something I should be aiming for after 2 or 3 years experience but there is a real opportunity for me to start off earning that amount of money right away at the start of my career. I would also be programming in Java/C# with the aim of eventually using a functional programming language to build products

I would be starting work with start up B at the beginning of February

Tough situation, but if you already accepted the offer and signed the contract, I'd stick with A. It's a small world out there, and I hate burning bridges. If 60k is a senior dev salary, as Bee says, it'll be a more demanding position, and if this is your first job, you'll have a ton to learn already about being an employee and getting up-to-date on stuff--especially if you don't know C# already.

And finally, an internship is a summer job. Could you tell B you already accepted an internship, but you'd like to start after the summer?

@MyWrathAcademia IMO, if the company are fully aware of your (lack of) experience, and you like the company/position, then you should take it.

I'll agree with @Hosch250 here, I really wouldn't renege on the signed offer on that note.

Yeah I agree with Hosch here and will add that salary isn't everything. I'd tell company B that it's a great offer but that you've already accepted another position and would like to see how you get on there but you can highlight that it's definitely a positron you could see yourself in, in the future and would they be happy for you to apply again further down the line

Obviously word it btter than I have (just woke up)

@Hosch250 @Bee @Magisch @Kaz I'm at a part time job so can't really chat but I wanted to add that I haven't yet signed and returned the contract to start up A

Hmm that does make a slight difference although you accepted the offer verbally and with my experience of UK start ups, that's pretty much the same to them

At the end of the day though they want someone who is going to stay there, if you're going to resent not taking this other job after a few months then do

I'd say go for the one with the most opportunities to get trained up and where you like the environment (although that can be hard to tell)

@Bee this is really difficult decision. And I have until tomorrow to make it. Start up B mentioned the opportunity to become CTO and being a senior level software engineer after 2 years.

It's a really personal choice

As I said, it might even be worth saying to B that you don't think you're ready for the role yet, I think they'd appriciate that

I made the wrong decision based on getting a more senior role and more money about a year ago

@Hosch250 my contract for start up A says that it's permanent so it seems the internship is guaranteed to continue on to a permanent position.

@Hosch250 start up B are building a team right now so I don't think they could wait for 6 months even if it's possible.

@Bee may be to avoid the type of mistake you made I could ask start up B how much time I would be given to get up to speed.

It's not time that was the issue, the company is very happy with my work and they give me all the time I need

What questions can I ask start up B to make sure that I won't be thrown into the deep end? @Hosch250 @RichardSaysReinstateMonica @Kaz @Magisch @Bee

I feel like I'm not developing in the way I want to

We're things moving too fast?

It's not that it's just that I feel like it's a forever role and I don't want to settle down yet, I have more to learn and don't want to become irrelevent

What do you mean a forever role?

I have to get back to work. Will check messages as soon as I can.

I mean that I'll get stuck there. It's a great chance but about 5 years too early

@MyWrathAcademia I've not seen your work, so it's really hard to judge, but if you are at the level of applying for internships, you probably aren't qualified for a senior dev role (and it takes more than 2 years to get there) I'd say don't go with B (even considering you haven't formally signed with A). If they are saying you could be the CTO in 2 years, either they are spewing BS or the rest of their teams will be unqualified as well. Also note that CTO doesn't do much programming.

If you want to be a programmer, the definitely don't go to B. The CTO is more involved in management and sales, in my experience.

@Hosch250 so you think I would be given the responsibilities of a senior developer because @Bee says that only senior devs get paid £60,000 in the UK? I will confirm what level of work I'll be doing. I'll also have to confirm what I said about becoming CTO because it was a really long conversation so I might have misremembered some details

@Hosch250are there any important questions you think I should ask startup B?

@MyWrathAcademia That's part of the reason. It's much more concerning that they would say you could be the CTO after just 2 years.

I'd guess that most CTOs probably have at least 5, and more likely 10, years of experience working their way through middle-management and getting experience with a lot of various stuff--development, product management, sales, people-management, and more.

I'm taking off now. TTYL!