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8:36 AM
@Kaz I can vouch for code review as being very useful
they usually give harsh but fair criticism that expands on the thought process and allows you to identify your weak spots
 
Kaz
9:21 AM
Pretty much. I learnt more about writing good, useful code from 2 days on Code Review than in 2 years on Stack Overflow.
 
 
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Q: Down vote procedures explained

Dan KOn most SE sites general users tend to leave an explanation explaining the reason for the down vote. Does that not happen here?

 
11:22 AM
company-specific regulations, agreements, or policies legal advice Non existing BCEA‭ - D Steyn‭ 2020-01-30 11:17:33Z
 
 
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1:37 PM
interesting, I seem to be attracting down-votes on old questions
 
Bee
@Richard, do they have new answer/edits?
 
@Bee not that I can see. I'm sure I know who and why, though. It happens often when I get into a disagreement on another stack, I get a sudden rash of down-votes. Obviously, with my rep it has no effect, but it's amusing to see how vindictive people are.
@Bee people tend to love or hate my posts. I don't get a "meh" reaction, EVER, LOL!
 
Bee
@richard You're marmite :P
Wait, does that translate?
It does seem rather petty though
 
2:01 PM
@Bee Human pettiness has never ceased to amaze me. Personally, if I could make 10 dollars, and my worst enemy made 20, I'd take the 10 and wish him well.
I would never give anyone enough power to make me hate them.
Nobody lives in my mind rent-free
 
2:21 PM
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Jmmmm, Teaching myself python.... it has all the ease of "C" combined with the efficiency of VB
 
Bee
2:41 PM
@Richard absolutely, cutting off ones nose to spite ones face is never a good idea
I try to not be petty either
I've always wanted to learn Python, I missed out on sign ups to the course in my final year of uni. Stuck only knowing R & MatLab until I taught myself a couple of others
 
anger and pettyness is a calculation of emotional resources
rarely anything is worth holding a long-term grudge
 
Bee
I actually think that it's more insulting to the person not to care anyway
"Do you hate me?" "No, I'm indifferent. Hating you would mean caring"
 
3:06 PM
@Bee so far, I've found python to be easy, but annoying.
@Magisch With the kinds of hell I've been through in this life, it takes quite a bit for me to get offended or to hold a grudge, I'd rather be done with people I don't like
@Bee My anger takes the form of what is called a "dry rage", which means, I just don't care anymore, and the person is dead to me.
 
Bee
Yeah fair
probably quite a healthy way of ealing too
 
3:22 PM
@Bee Yes, our time is far better spent with the people we love. Any time spent hating someone is time taken away from those we love.
 
Bee
And energy
 
How many stories do I need to hear about drivers turning left in the right lane?
I've heard several in the past couple months. One death (perpetrator was killed). Several injuries.
 
@RichardSaysReinstateMonica I'm not that hard to anger. But I don't hold on to anger for long, because it sucks the joy and life out of you to do so.
 
Anyone here particularly familiar with DB technologies?
I'm trying to decide which technology to use for a personal project that I'd like to take commercial. I'm most familiar with SQL Server, and it has great integration with the .NET stack, is integrated with Docker, but it's expensive.
 
Bee
3:37 PM
@Hosch I was like "what's wrong with that" then realised you must drive on the other side
 
Oh, yes ^
Basically, on a 2-lane highway, you must turn left from the left lane.
 
Bee
No I am with you now
 
Postgres is cheap (IIRC, it's free?) for commercial use and is integrated well with EF Core (my chosen ORM).
MariaDB also has EF Core integration, and is also cheap (again, IIRC, it's free).
 
Bee
I once had a white van man overtake me when I was on my bike despite me having moved into the centre of the road and singled in plenty of time. It was only that last "save your life" check over my right shoulder (UK) which... saved my life
 
I'm already using Mongo for some unstructured storage data; should I just use that? It too is free.
@Bee Must've been scary. That's one of my biggest fears as a driver--having a motorcycle do that to me.
Where I check my mirrors, they move up next to me, on my side of their lane, and I don't see them when I check my blindspot over my shoulder because they aren't far enough up.
 
Bee
3:41 PM
I didn't do anything wrong, he just was in too much of a rush to wait until I had turned off, as I said, I pulled into the centre of the road and was signalling to turn off
 
I know, just saying having that situation reversed is my biggest fear as a driver.
 
Bee
Yeah I get that some motorcyclists ruin it for all of us
Where the bad rep comes
 
Hey, cars do it too. Nothing against motorcycles.
It's just that I can see a car because it's wider.
 
Bee
Most have never driven a car and don't know where the blind spots and dangers are, it's a real issue
 
The lack of support in a crash scares me from riding a motorcycle.
And I know it's only a matter of time before something goes wrong.
 
Bee
3:44 PM
Yeah my family hates it, but sometimes you have to do what you love, even if that has risk
 
I could also use RavenDB, which doesn't have EF Core integration--but the .NET driver provides basically the same level of support natively.
@Bee For me it's horses :)
 
Bee
God I haven't ridden for 10 years or more - I get that though for sure
 
I know horses are dangerous just because they are big and fast, but they are (usually) pretty lazy and sedate, and there's an accident, it's almost always the person's fault.
 
Bee
Sorry I can't help on DB tech
 
NP, I'm not sure anyone here can. I'm just trying to think it through.
 
Bee
3:45 PM
Ahah yeah I once didn't do the girth strap up tight enough and started slipping round under the belly whilst in a canter
 
For example, you can't really control a fear reaction--but you can train them to, say, accept blowing plastic bags and cars so they don't react.
@Bee Scary.
 
Bee
It was my own fault, learnt my lesson
 
I ride bareback a lot, so I'd just slip off in that case. I'm actually in the market for a saddle right now--just bought my first horse.
 
Bee
Have you had any?
OO how exciting
 
4yo buckskin mare quarter horse.
 
Bee
3:48 PM
Afraid I've exhausted my limited knowledge of horses
 
We're doing pretty good at groundwork and turns and cars and bags. Right now, we're working on moving into a trot and holding it without fussing.
I've ridden her a little bit in "controlled environments" aka arenas, but mostly just done groundwork while we figure out how to work together safely.
 
Bee
Glad to hear it's going well
Did she have a good home before?
 
Yes.
She wasn't worked as much as she could have been, but she was kept familiar with people. She loves being pet.
 
Bee
Good to hear, a lot of the issues I've had with bolting have been past trauma
 
She was sold at 3mo (weaning), and they had her until she was 4. She was trained for 1mo in shooting, so she wasn't exactly green.
 
Bee
3:51 PM
Horrific how some people can treat animals
 
I know. I was looking at some of the banned gear at AQHA shows. It was awful.
Sharpened bits so they cut the tongue, etc.
 
Bee
I had a horse that was beaten with trotting poles
 
:(
 
Bee
She was terrified to go near them
 
That's a tricky situation to resolve.
If I were to try, I'd work on first building trust so she'd trust me, then gradually exposing her from a bit of a distance and moving closer, like you would with plastic bags/cars/etc.
My trainer is working with a gelding who was abused at the racetrack.
He's a very high-strung horse; he's had him for several years now, and he's still scared of plastic bags.
If you go out to catch him in the herd, he still moves away the first time you try to approach him.
He's probably the most dangerous horse I've been around, since he's so skittish.
He doesn't mean any harm, but he's so big (compared to us), and he can't control himself.
He also loves to trot/run.
He has no idea of a fast walk. Either he's half-asleep or he moves into a trot.
So he's been trained to move at a slow trot at the other horses' walking pace.
He's my trainer's personal horse now.
 
Bee
3:59 PM
Yeah it was a process to get her jumping again but as you say just building that trust is a key first step
 
Since you mention jumping, you probably rode English?
 
Bee
Is that a horse term I don't know about or are you just asking if I learnt in the UK?
 
I mean the English style riding.
 
Bee
Yep
 
I ride Western.
 
Bee
4:02 PM
I wouldn't know the difference tbh
 
Once I get my girl doing good on the trails (good as in being able to completely control her with my legs--no hands), I'll probably teach her barrels and some jumping and maybe cutting.
@Bee Not too much. No horn on the English saddle, and a lot of the commands are backward.
Like, English will ask them to move into the cue, while Western will usually ask them to move away from the cue.
e.g. neckreining. English (from what I've read--no practical knowledge here) will turn toward the side you touch with the neck, while western will turn away from that side.
 
Bee
Yeah that sounds right from what I can remember (as I said ~10 years since I last rode)
 
Western has the horn on the saddle to tie a rope too, so you can rope an animal. It originates from the cowhands in the western US. English originates more from fancy riding by the nobility in Europe.
There's also a lesser known style from the south american cowboys. I don't know much about that, other than it exists and is somewhat similar to Western because of the nature of the job.
 
Bee
Hmm very interesting
 
@Hosch250 sql server is my poison of choice, but we also previously used mariadb successfully
 
4:08 PM
@Magisch Thank you. I like SQL Server because it is just basically the best DB out there (info from an IBM employee who didn't really like MS products), but it's also super expensive.
I'm leaning towards Postgres or Maria ATM since they are cheap/free, which is pretty important for a startup to cut costs.
 
I mean, it has a bunch of very nice performance features, the syntax is imo easier and more expansive, and it has very nice debugging tools
but mariadb is also viable
 
I'm also very curious about RavenDB. It uses a SQL-like language that looks a lot like C# query expressions, and integrates really well with C#.
I'm doing microservices, so I'll have a few DBs at the least--each one could really have it's own.
And it's a multi-tenant application, where each client gets their own set of DBs per microservice.
So, keeping DB licensing costs down really is important to me.
 
in that case, mariadb
some SAAS products like datev (a german payroll processing software) deliver mssql server with their products, but these are expensive pieces of software
 
RavenDB has a free tier :thinking:
Hard to tell if it's last-years tech, though.
 
@Hosch250 what's the environment? an on-prem bit of software or a hosted web app?
 
4:20 PM
I honestly haven't 100% decided.
 
@Hosch250 If it's on-prem it's the customer's problem, if it's hosted you just pass the licensing cost on surely?
 
My current plan is hosted on Azure or AWS with docker.
My plan is 1+ of each microservice website, and N+ of each microservice DBs, and they use unique tokens to know which DB to access.
So, I might have 3 clients, and 1 web instance of microservice A would handle requests from all three but use 3 different DBs, depending on the request's client.
 
@Hosch250 gotcha.. so in Azure terms it would be a SQL Container per client
 
Bee
@motosubatsu Just because you're passing the licensing cost on, you still want to low for a lower cost solution. Especially with a start up, a lot of clients will be initially signing up to use that product because it's lower cost than the high profile competitors
 
@motosubatsu Yes.
Or, because it's multiple microservices in practice, that would be multiple SQL Containers per client.
However, because I'm planning on using Docker, that means I need to buy explicit licenses for it (or just use SQL Server Express).
 
4:28 PM
@Hosch250 yeah that way things would get real expensive real fast if you were having multiple containers per client, an explicit license on a VM would work out quite a bit cheaper
 
Yeah. Which is why I'm really looking at cheaper/free alternatives.
 
if you can stay under the Express storage limits then that would seem the obvious choice
 
I honestly probably could. Most of them are going to be very small--the idea is to make a lightweight Wordpress alternative for small businesses.
The only one that could get approach that is the one that uses a Mongo DB anyway.
 
@Hosch250 hmm that would seem a prime use case for Express IMO
 
Bee
Plus once you're over the storage limits you probably have the capital by that point to buy more
 
4:30 PM
Yeah. The other one is my activity log, but that could be cleaned up yearly.
Well, thanks for the feedback.
I'll probably use Express then.
 
5:11 PM
Why were all the answers downvoted so quick here? workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/152222/…
They all seem reasonable to me.
 
Bee
I was wondering the same thing
 
I had the same thought
 
Bee
I mean they are all along the same lines (we all submitted at pretty much the same time) so I can only assume one person went on and just didn't like all three
 
I dont know what the 3rd answer is aiming for but the first 2 seem reasonable
 
the third answer isn't one really - should be a comment
 
6:11 PM
@motosubatsu I think we're going to see a bunch of down-votes for random reasons. People are out to sabotage SE now.
 
6:40 PM
Hey everyone.
@MisterPositive @RichardSaysReinstateMonica @motosubatsu After being sent an e-commerse link to a dell laptop that could become my work laptop I sent a text to my new employer asking if the dell xps was available (i.e. could be my new work laptop). He hasn't yet responded to this text. Does my request for a top range laptop come across in a bad light? And should I send a follow up text asking again whether the dell xps was an option for my work laptop?
 
7:23 PM
No, don't resend it.
I wouldn't have done that, but it's spilled milk now. Typically, businesses don't buy directly from Dell.
They buy from a business retailer who helps them get bulk discounts and provides tech support and warranties.
 
@Hosch250 thanks for your advice
 
And they get "sturdier" versions that aren't as likely to be damaged by being dropped, etc.
 
Are you saying that I shouldn't have asked for a dell xps or that the person I report to should not have sent me a link to an ecommerce website?
 
First. I wouldn't ask for an upgrade unless you can provide argue that it explicitly will benefit the business. For example, a 10" with 4GB of RAM is going to be much more difficult to work with than a 15" with 8GB+. BTDT.
But don't just ask for a "newer" computer with the same specs--it just costs money for basically no value.
On the other hand, it's not too bad that you asked, either--he may be asking if that computer will work with their systems before he responds to you, and it's really not that much more expensive.
 
I see. May be he just wanted to show me what the laptop I may be getting looks like, because I remember him saying that they are standardizing dell laptops due to easier management of technical support
 
7:29 PM
I'm just saying this because I got a glimpse of what it takes to get a new computer myself. We were running old, slow, small Dell laptops at my last job, and the entire IT department asked for better ones.
And management was like "a computer is a computer" and we had to explicitly point out how ours were suboptimal for developers to work with.
And yes, that was part of it--all the computers in the company were the same, and when one broke, they'd send it back to their supplier and get a replacement.
And they all had the same specs so they knew their basic image would work, not be surprised by wrong driver versions, etc.
 
Yes. But they did eventually agree to purchase new laptops, right?
 
After several years and we needed virtualization support. We had encryption software that wouldn't let it enable it anyway, so they needed to buy new computers either way.
 
Glad you had a good outcome
 
They ended up spending just over $1k on each computer with the upgrade. My personal computer, on the other hand, cost over $2k. It's a much nicer computer, especially since I actually do use it as a laptop, but I honestly can't say it can do anything my work computer couldn't--so work was right to not spend that extra money.
 
The laptop he linked is an 8 GB mid range dell laptop with powerful specs. It's perfectly fine, I was just a bit curious because I assumed they had a batch of dell laptops available with different models and I could just select the top range dell.
 
7:34 PM
On the other hand, a nice computer is a tiny part of what they are paying you anyway--especially if they are buying a brand new one.
 
Oh I almost forgot, I even asked if the laptop I would be receiving was available in black, but I made sure to mention that I'm fine with whatever colour I get
 
So basically, don't be picky, as long as the computer isn't hindering you from doing your job. Especially since you are new to the company and have virtually no credibility yet.
@MyWrathAcademia I've only seen black (Dell) and silver (HP) work laptops.
So, you'll probably get black :)
Actually, my XPS is silver on the outside, but black on the inside, which basically comes to being black--it's supposed to be open when you are at work :D
 
@Really the one I'm using now which is an older commercial dell laptop has a black keyboard and bezel but the back cover for the screen is silver
 
Note also that work computers need to be sturdier. People tend to be careless with property that they didn't buy. I knew several people at my last job who dropped their computer or spilled coffee on it.
 
@Hosch250 I guess I was just testing the waters. I'll won't be picky now you mention it
 
7:38 PM
They need to be able to fix/replace them relatively cheaply because they usually budget for them lasting 3+ years.
Not every 4 months.
 
@Hosch250 Yeah I know that. That's the same reason I'm cautious about eating out at restaurants/ takeaways because people also tend to be careless preparing food that they won't eat themselves
 
I'd save any extra expenses asking for software they might not have by default. Maybe IntelliJ instead of NetBeans, or something.
Not on the actual hardware (unless you have reason to believe it's underpowered).
 
IntelliJ has a community edition doesn't it
?
 
You can't use it as an employee, I don't think.
It's exclusively for OSS software.
 
What about the paid version of intelliJ can I use it on my work laptop
?
 
7:42 PM
Maybe. Maybe not.
 
@Hosch250 but the startups projects are Open source, remember?
 
@MyWrathAcademia I forgot that. Yeah, you could probably use the community edition then.
But, just saying, I'd save expenses for that.
 
I guess I can now say "my company" :)
What about Visual Studio code can that be used for C# and Java?
 
VS Code isn't an IDE. It's an editor. It works, but I don't like using it for developing a whole solution.
 
I thought intelliJ was primary an IDE for Java? Can it be used for C# (and may be JavaScript too)?
 
7:44 PM
IntelliJ is Java. I don't think it works with C#--you'd want Rider for that.
Or VS Community/Professional.
I prefer VS for C#; Rider is better for F#, though.
 
@Hosch250 thanks for pointing out that VS Code is an editor
But I thought you said that you don't like using VS Code for developing a whole solution
What do you do then when you want to develop a whole solution in C#?
 
With VS Code, you can create build processes and debug with it, but it lacks intellisense, various prompts and auto-fixes, etc.
I use VS Community (for personal stuff) or one of the commercial versions (for work).
VS Code has lots of addins and stuff, but it's just not a full integrated development environment.
 
I see, thanks for explaining.
I'm reading the contract they sent me. Do you read every detail of an employment contract when you receive it or do you just sign it?
 
I read it.
 
The contract is quite long
 
7:50 PM
You always have to read it. They really aren't that bad.
They are usually about 5 pages, but a lot of it is just definitions and stuff. Like pieces that basically say "Whenever we use the term EMPLOYER it means Company X and any successors (e.g. anyone who buys us out)."
And they usually cover stuff like expected dress code, hours of business (i.e. you can't work from 6PM to 4AM), and ownership of code created on the job.
There might be a non-complete clause in there. If there is, make sure it's not ridiculous. 1 year in the same industry (not IT, but the company's industry) is reasonable (at least in my area). Make sure they don't have anything like you can't work as a web developer for a period, etc.
Non-compete clauses are a really touchy issue. I don't find it an issue because there's so much in IT, it would be harder for me to get a job in a specific industry than just looking for something good...
 
This one is 11 pages :0 I've not seen anything about dress code which is good or hours of buiness, but I've seen terms and conditions about ownership of code created on the job
 
Check for the clause that says who owns what code. Two of the contracts I've signed were just "we own any code you produce on this machine and on work time, and any code you write on your own time that directly competes with our product while you are an employee."
A third one I refused to sign without modification was "We own all code you write on a work machine or on work time and any code you write on your own machine or your own time."
 
Thanks I'll look for that
 
That one I got modified into "I'll give you right of refusal, but if you refuse, then I can develop it on my own; if you want to develop a competing product, you can buy me out or build it from scratch based on the proposal I gave you."
Because I really don't want to deal with running a business so much as developing nice, functional software. If they wanted to handle the business side, that was fine with me.
 
8:06 PM
Thats a good compromise
Finally done
One of the terms says that my lunch break can only be between the hours of 12:00 and 14:00. Is this normal?
 
It's normal to have something to the effect of "lunch break is between A and B, or as otherwise determined by your manager."
 
That's fine do I get paid for my lunch break?
 
No.
 
It's a one hour lunch break
 
Well, maybe.
 
8:12 PM
So I should always use the whole one hour
 
All my jobs have only been as long as I want it to be.
So, it's 8hr + whatever lunch you take.
I could take a 2hr lunch if things were slow and I wasn't brand new (i.e. they trusted be to be responsible and not cheat on my timesheet).
If I didn't take lunch, I could leave after 8 consecutive hours.
 
This legal jargon is new to me. I'm checking for the clause that says who owns the code but not sure what it means
 
It is a bit of a pain. It gets easier with more exposure.
 
For example: they own work made by me during working hours, in the normal course of my duties or in the normal course of my duties falling outside of my normal duties but assigned to me, or with the company's materials and/or facilities which relate to their business or in which the company is interested in.
 
That's standard.
 
8:20 PM
Great. Does this mean I own code I make in my own time
 
Basically saying "anything you do for us as a software developer, or in a non-software developer role that we assign you (e.g. writing a sales doc), or with our equipment, or in our building"
And anything else is yours.
 
I see, thanks for translating
 
It's so generic because they use the same phrase for the sales guy and the janitor.
Like, if you were hiring me as a violin maker, it means I couldn't stay late and use (wear out) your equipment and make violins under my own name.
Etc.
 
I see
Good example
I don't see anything about a non-complete clause. What's that?
 
Non-compete. Basically a limitation of who you can work for after you leave so you don't just give away the company's secrets.
I'm not sure it's legal in the EU at all.
It's barely legal in the US.
It might also say that you can't solicit the company's clients away if you leave to join/found a competitor.
 
8:25 PM
It does say this:
29 secs ago, by Hosch250
It might also say that you can't solicit the company's clients away if you leave to join/found a competitor.
which is fine
 
So, they might say "you can't work as an independent contractor while you are working for us as a consultant."
 
It says I can't work for anyone else if I am full time
Even freelancing I assume
 
That's probably legal, but I hate clauses like that.
 
But I am part time for now
 
What if I want to deliver pizzas on the weekend for extra cash?
That's really not their business as long as I work for them while they are paying me.
I wouldn't fuss about it, but I wouldn't necessarily follow it to the letter either.
 
8:28 PM
True but I guess they expect your salary to be enough to cover your living expenses so earning some extra cash on the side delivering pizza is not necessary
 
How do they know what's necessary?
Maybe I ran up too much college debt. Maybe I want to save to buy a house faster.
Maybe I just like delivering pizzas...
 
I knew a lot of of my professors in University who owned their own companies. Some were even never in office hours because they preferred spending time at their company's office
So I don't even think company's that enforce that clause
 
That's exactly what that clause is there to prevent.
University is kind of special--it's hard to fire a professor.
 
My University never did anything about it despite student reports about professors being continuously unavailable/absent
 
Basically, work for them for what they are paying you for, and don't compete with them while you are working for them, and you'll be fine.
 
8:31 PM
Sounds good
 
Private companies are much quicker to fire you (at least in the US) than universities. And they'll sue you for lost wages.
 
The US is cut throat
 
As to my example, nobody would get after me for delivering pizza after hours--even though my contract doesn't allow it.
They just don't want me delivering pizzas while I'm supposed to be working for them.
 
I've just opened up the contract in google docs. Is it okay to sign the contract in google docs by typing my name or is it better to print and sign it?
 
You need to print it, sign it, and bring in to your first day at work. Keep a copy for yourself too.
Typing your name isn't legal because the company could just do that.
Remember with all this advice--I'm not your lawyer.
And, I'm especially not a UK lawyer.
I have basic knowledge of the US law system (a class in college going over the basic system). And the UK uses a different system.
I've looked at contract law some.
In the US, an contract dispute is ruled to be what a reasonable person would expect the contract to read given the terms.
So, you can't put a vague term in, then demand the other party do something really costly to them when a reasonable person would read that phrase in a different way.
But if there is evidence that both parties actually knew what the expensive thing was before they signed, then it's still the expensive thing even given the vague language.
 
8:42 PM
Understood. In the email they want me to review and sign the contract before my first day of work on Monday.
Doesn't this mean I need to sign and send by email?
I think I will ask them
 
In that case, I'd print it, sign it, and email a scanned copy back.
 
Is it better to reply to the email asking if they want me send a scanned copy
 
I would.
 
or is a text better
?
 
Don't change the medium of communication on them.
 
8:45 PM
Your'e right. I will reply by email
Another thing is that the commencement date on the contract says 1st February but I start on Monday which is I think the 3rd of February. Sure that commencement date can't be a mistake, can it?
 
It doesn't really matter, if their business is closed on the weekend. They probably did that because it's easier in their books somehow.
I knew someone who's start date was new years day once.
They started work on Jan 2.
 
@Hosch250 is it okay for me to just ask in my email reply:
Thank you for sending the contract. How would you like me to return it to you after signing it?
 
Sure.
 
I thought of additionaly making suggestions such as emailing scanned copies, google docs signing etc.
But that is not necessary right?
The more terse the better
 
Either/or.
 
8:51 PM
Okay, got it.
The email I'm responding to starts with Dear and ends with Kind regards. Is it best to mimic the senders greeting and closing by also ending my email with Kind regards or can I just use Sincerely
 
Either/or.
 
@Hosch250 how strong are you in JavaScript?
 
Middling. I like using jQuery still, even though it's not strictly necessary.
 
Relative to C#
I don't even know what JQery is
Is that a library?
 
Yes.
 
8:57 PM
What does the library do?
 
It helps you work with HTML elements.
I'm a pretty strong C# developer.
 
Yeah I could tell you were pretty skilled in C#
 
As in, I know the language really well. I can't always write an optimal solution with it for other reasons.
 
Have you ever done game programming?
 
Pretty much the only part of the language I haven't used is the C# 7.x reference features.
 
8:58 PM
C# is used a lot in that I think?
 
No.
I don't know. I think it's use a fair bit, but I think C++ is used more.
 
I'm told both C++ and C# dominate game programming
 
I started with console apps, then went to WPF apps, and now I do web apps.
 
console apps like command line apps?
 
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