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12:33 AM
Thanks @doppelgreener :)
 
 
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7:11 AM
Morning TWP!!
Hope it was a nice weekend
 
7:41 AM
Yeah, it was good. Spent much of yesterday in the garden. I had to wash one of the dogs because he rolled in crap. Then had to wash him again when he still stank.
 
@Snow Good
Temperature is on the rise on this side of the planet...38 degree yesterday..stating indoor
 
Degrees or Fahrenheit?
 
8:01 AM
@Snow degree celsius.
@Snow Would it be Fahrenheit, I wont be complaining.... :)
 
8:14 AM
Hmm. 38C is a bit on the warm side.
 
morning dear folks
 
8:32 AM
@Kepotx Morning
@Snow yes, it is
and it will continue, until the monsoon arrives
global warming effects are being more and more visible
Question: Is my future employer allowed to contact someone from my current organization (though personal channel, not via reference mention on CV) and seek my professional work feedback?
I believe that is completely unethical and somewhat illegal?
any suggestions?
 
9:06 AM
Out of interest, why would it be unethical?
The only way I would consider it unethical is if the person is still employed somewhere, and their boss doesn't know they are looking for a job.
 
9:38 AM
@GregoryCurrie Nope, it's not about looking for a job while being employed or not. It's about (1) not believing what a potential employee is stating (2) depending on unauthorized source of information.
 
9:51 AM
What do you mean not believing?
Why should an employer automatically trust what a candidate is saying? In most cases they literally have no outstanding relationship.
When you say "unauthorised", do you think employees have to authorise every statement made about them?
(There is some privileged information that is protected under law)
 
@GregoryCurrie no, but in this case, the reference is something candidate is suppose to provide
I'm saying, why not to trust that information?
@GregoryCurrie not everything, but some things.
 
10:22 AM
Because the candidate provides it :)
I want to hear from the people the candidate doesn't want me to hear from
Anyway, with the mass redundancies, it's likely that the old employer will be asked by the new employer who the good people are. If they are a close as suggested.
But not trusting the employee isn't an ethical thing anyway
 
10:41 AM
@forest I grew up poor in a wealthy area, with multiple disabilities, I have become an expert on the evils of humanity
 
@GregoryCurrie So, why ask for references, in first place? Is not it likely that anyone will produce someone as reference whom they know that will be saying positive things?
 
Sure is. But hiring managers don't always know people.
Even if it was redundant, I don't understand how it would make it immoral.
I don't mind arguing like 5 different things. I just would like to see how they are connected.
 
 
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12:30 PM
hello people
 
'sup @avazula
 
@avazula Hey Ava!!
 
how are you guys?
 
not too bad.. rather tired but running on caffeine and nicotine so not really feeling it too badly
you?
 
@motosubatsu haha, about the same
not that I'm proud of that, but... it is what it is
 
12:39 PM
@avazula yeah I know what you mean
it's not ideal but it's better than just zombie-ing out at work
 
agreed :)
I'm just angry at myself for going 1.5years nicotine free and then fall again after my father's death and not being able of quitting
I'll have to ... I'm about to start a job where we help people whose lung diseases are mainly caused by smoking. That wouldn't be very serious to keep on smoking.
 
@avazula sorry for your loss :( losing a parent gives you a hefty kick in the gut (BTDT) so don't give yourself too much of a hard time
 
{Hello Moto}
Happy Monday all
 
@MisterPositive 'sup Bitter Pants
 
coding away on this fine Monday...
 
12:44 PM
@motosubatsu that was 1.5 years ago, it's easier now :)
@MisterPositive Hey there
 
@avazula Nice article by the way you should be proud.
 
@MisterPositive oh that's nice of you to say, thanks
ha, seems I may have a hard time understanding the moderating schemes on TWP
Would you guys flag this as NAA? Because that's what I'd do. If not, could you please explain me why? workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/132403/…
 
@GregoryCurrie You know that you have the ability to edit questions and titles, don't you?
 
Sorry, I wasn't clear. The last comment.
Sorry, the last answer
Basically a user is claiming they accidentally posted as anon
 
1:01 PM
I was sleeping....
what's happening...
 
A uses posted as anon, and wants to claim their post
They've created an answer to respond to feedback. Answer should prob be deleted.
 
ah, @Snow is on it.
@Snow Hodor
 
Afternoon. The weekend ended too soon.
 
@GregoryCurrie For future reference please just flag those posts for moderator attention instead of digging up a mod on chat. :)
 
Yeah, that way it gets flagged in the portal and the audit trail is created.
 
1:32 PM
And about the answer I linked, could you guys tell me whether you'd flag it or if it's okay?
 
While I agree it seems to be more a comment than an answer, some other answers such as Solar Mike's one are similar, pointing out alternatives
Solar Mike basically just says that speech to text can help and get 15 upvotes, so why would a similar answer (use shortcuts to work only with keyboard) be considered as bad answer?
 
@Kepotx Indeed. And they don't bring anything more than SM's answer actually
So it's a dupe
 
also, a general "use shortcut" rather than "use emacs" would have seem better
 
1:57 PM
@Lilienthal Sure thang.
@Snow I deleted the answer here:
https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/132259/how-do-you-respond-to-a-colleague-from-another-team-when-theyre-wrongly-expecti/132265
It seemed a lot of people were very upset that I stole half a sentence from someone else. I don't want there to be any sadness so hopefully we as a community can somehow move past this.
 
2:19 PM
I've just thought I've been grinding out fanatic for sooooo long and when I fly to Hong Kong I'm going to miss a day
@GregoryCurrie You need to calm down, You'll be catching next month if you keep going at this rate
 
I got rep cap in 2 hours today
@SouravGhosh is keeping me at arms length though
 
You two need to find a new hobby hahaha workplace isn't healthy
 
Yeah
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Q: Hostile work environment after whistle-blowing on coworker and our boss. What do I do?

brownsuga1967Short Version I work night shifts with a co-worker who would always sleep or never be at work. She is friends with the administrator (our boss) who showed her signs of extreme favoritism. After two months of encouraging her to improve, I sent an anonymous video to Corporate and included detail...

Stuff like this makes me sad
 
2:34 PM
@GregoryCurrie the wall of text or the content of the text?
 
The content
I was going to be a bit snippy about the wall, but then i read it
 
@GregoryCurrie I've deleted lots of my own answers when it became apparent that someone else said something that I did, but only better (or if I had inadvertently got entirely the wrong idea about what the question was all about). Sometimes I deleted fairly decent answers that somehow got derailed due to comments.
 
I answer lots of questions and delete them because I decide it's just wrong
 
Yeah, but some of us are under 100k rep :P
 
I had a deleted one on the answer you also deleted
 
2:37 PM
Actually, I think you did that with the same question @Twyxz
lol, yeah
 
It's not about rep, it's about helping others. The rep comes as an addition
 
I'm doing it for the sweet internet points, and to impress chicks
I can't say it's a solid plan
 
I can say it won't work hahahhaahha :P
 
@GregoryCurrie I was tempted to remove the details and just leave your summary. It is a better question as you wrote it.
@GregoryCurrie at 100k they send you a bunch of swag I hear
 
And you're also 50% less likely to be downvoted. But I guess if you make it that far you're pretty experienced as it is
 
2:44 PM
Yeah. To be honest, sometimes I type an answer, get a few downvotes, and I'm like "WTF"
Then Joe came along and upvoted me, and that made me feel better.
(In the latest example)
 
Answers are majority opinions, even though there is an opinion based close. Everyone has their own answer which, when not based off facts is pretty much personal belief
Some people agree, some don't. If there was a real answer to questions and situations there would only be a need for one answer to each question. Everybody has their own interpretation on what to do in specific scenarios
 
To be honest, I can't comprehend when the "opinion based close" should happen
 
@GregoryCurrie "Assuming the expediture is the same, should I hire two graduate developers or one professional guy?"
 
@GregoryCurrie Good save on that question btw.
 
Which question?
@Snow?
 
2:52 PM
I have two colleagues - one fart and the other burps. Which should I sit next to?
They're examples of "opinion based" questions.
 
Oh
I was getting ready to answer the fart burp one
 
Definitely the burping guy
Just saying
 
But with the first question of yours, I think there is an actual answer there
This isn't "what flavour icecream is the best"
Like, there are legitimate reasons on which would be better under a given scenario
Though, probably not a workplace question
 
to which question are we talking
 
"Assuming the expediture is the same, should I hire two graduate developers or one professional guy?"
 
2:55 PM
Well it will still be closed
Question we can actually answer
How do we know how good the graduates are? Is the "professional guy" actually good? How long has he worked? etc...
 
Well, I don't care about that. I'd speak about the business need. Is there resourcing available to train two grads. Will the budget inflate next year to keep them, or will you lose them? What type of work needs to be done? etc.
Maybe if the question should be "What are the factors that should be considered when comparing two graduate developers or an experienced developer?"
:P
 
That was not the question though :)
This question is going to HNQ
 
The farting/burping one?
 
Nooo, the recent workplace real question
 
Which question?
 
3:04 PM
Hostile workplace environment
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Q: Hostile work environment after whistle-blowing on coworker and our boss. What do I do?

brownsuga1967Short Version I work night shifts with a co-worker who would always sleep or never be at work. She is friends with the administrator (our boss) who showed her signs of extreme favoritism. After two months of encouraging her to improve, I sent an anonymous video to Corporate and included detail...

 
Oh, that's what happened to the "sleeping on the job" question.
I think the "long version" needs to be removed. Most cups of coffee don't last long enough to read that questions. Besides, people need to answer questions, not read stories.
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If we do need to keep the long version, the sleeping nurse needs a name.
 
Florence
 
Nightingale?
 
Yeah that's the one
 
3:08 PM
I'll edit the question
(Keep the short version, maybe add a touch of detail)
lol, never mind, somebody beat me to it
 
That was me. Remember that this is a question/answer site. It's not a "bedtime story" site.
 
afternoon every1
 
@Snow what you did there? I saw it
 
@motosubatsu Thought you might do!
 
I'm guessing I missed something
 
3:17 PM
Me too
 
@Twyxz jokes are like kittens - if you dissect them they stop working
 
I wonder if you're a kitten then
 
meow
 
@avazula Meow
 
^meow
 
3:30 PM
I must not allow my fingers to type the obvious.
 
3:52 PM
@motosubatsu aaaaaw
 
I see moto is still causing trouble...
 
@avazula yeah that's one of my friend's cats - Moriarty, he's a right softy
@MisterPositive here all week :)
 
{ENTERING SLEEP MODE}
 
5:03 PM
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Q: Hot network question with fabricated story

qspThere is a hot network question with nearly 40k views and more than 100 upvotes about an engineer refusing to file patents. Anyone familiar with the process of filing patents will know the whole story are fabricated, and the OP has no idea about filing patents. From the question: This engine...

 
 
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11:39 PM
lol
 

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