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12:09 AM
@RichardU Sorry the supposed "direct correlation between areas with restrictive gun laws and gun crime" does not support an argument that "the more heavily armed the area is, the less crime." You might wish to read this Scientific American article: scientificamerican.com/article/…
 
@JoeStrazzere It's inaccurate. I'm very familiar with the article. It's uncited, and vague. the 36,000 number comes up frequently, so I am well aware of it.

It includes in the 36,000, suicides, justified police killings, self-defense, and accidental deaths. It does not, of course indicate how many crimes were prevented, stopped, or mitigated by firearms, and no mention on lawful firearm ownership.

That 36,000 number has been debunked long ago.

That was not a scientific article by any stretch of the imaginatin.
 
 
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7:39 AM
Good morning. I think. My body has no idea what day it is today. Pulled a 12 hour day on Saturday and 10 hours yesterday.
 
 
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9:21 AM
@Snow ouch.. BTDT so I feel your pain
 
9:35 AM
It's a persistent dull throb at the front of my skull.
 
@Snow ouch..welcome to the fatigue headache club. meetings are Monday-Friday
 
10:32 AM
@RichardU The article is a little vague and dumbed-down in places true.. but to call it "uncited" isn't entirely accurate, Lott & Mustard is cited as is Ayres/Donohue they haven't done the best job of formatting the citations true (and putting them in pale grey on a white background seems a strange choice) but they are there.
I freely admit that much of the math Ayres and Donohue use is beyond me but what I can understand seems reasonably sound.
 
 
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12:12 PM
@motosubatsu My friend bought a Zetec S 2014 I think hahhaha baby version of the ST :)
 
12:25 PM
@Twyxz which engine?
the 1.6 Ecoboost has a decent amount of pep (~180bhp IIRC)
the looks are nice enough.. a little bit of interest over the stock Focus but (and I'm not sure if they all have this) good god the person who came up with the "genius" idea of randomly making swathes of the interior a weird sickly red colour needs shooting
 
12:47 PM
The 1.6 @motosubatsu
It's pretty fast, I had a drive
 
12:59 PM
@Twyxz yeah they're good bits of kit - the 1.6 EB unit weighs practically nothing as well
on tight, twisty roads you'll struggle to pull away from it in the ST
 
Definitely not when I attempt to drift like I'm on tokyo drift end scene and fall off the road
 
1:21 PM
Drifting FWD? Yeah, that's not going to end well.
 
1:38 PM
@Snow indeed.. usually in unwanted vehicle-scenery interface
 
Or, more realistically, an unwanted vehicle-McDonalds carpark bollard interface.
 
@motosubatsu My biggeset issue is that they use the 36,000 number, and they're careful to use the word "violence" as an umbrella term. There are good forms of violence, such as violently stopping a rape, murder attempt, et cetera. The "gun violence" stat of 36 K includes justified police shootings, self-defense, defense of another, et cetera. It also conflates legal and illegal guns.
 
2:02 PM
@RichardU oh I'd agree that there can be justified violence that serves a greater good, not going to get any argument from me there. How much of that needs to be gun violence is where we might disagree - the number of justified police shootings in the US utterly dwarfs that in the UK, thanks largely to the fact that more civilians have guns. In fact you have more civilian owned guns then you have civilians
not really a shocker that counting all forms gun deaths per 100,000 people in the US was 10.3 in 2016
ours was 0.3
 
@motosubatsu The US evolved in a very different way from most nations. There are still parts of the nation where there is effectively no police. One place I lived was a two hour drive from the nearest TRAFFIC LIGHT.
 
@RichardU oh I understand how the US developed the way it did.. doesn't mean arming the populace to the teeth is the right solution IMO
 
@motosubatsu almost all of the gun deaths are in our urban centers, except those like Houston where you can carry a weapon. Cities like Chicago or DC have very strict gun laws and high gun crime/deaths. Same as my state, which we call "The People's republic of NJ
 
@motosubatsu I lived in a part of Colorado where literally all of the houses had multiple guns.... crima rate = 0
@IDrinkandIKnowThings good morning.
@motosubatsu not really arguing for anything but an honest argument though....
 
2:06 PM
some of the topography is similar to Australia - and their gun ownership initially developed in a similar way. Then they enacted gun control and we all know what a dystopian crime-ridden wasteland it developed into afterwards
oh wait
no it didnt
 
I'm personally not a huge fan of guns.
 
@RichardU I can agree with that.. BS-ing around the issue doesn't help anybody
 
@motosubatsu yeah, that's really my point. If you're going to discuss something, don't be out to win, and don't BS
 
@RichardU agree totally
 
@motosubatsu One thing that happened the same time we saw an increase of gun crime coincided with our mass closings of assylums. Mental health care in the USA is a travesty. It's a bizarre form of reverse-triage. The worse your condition, the less help there is for you.
Not saying that it's a causal relationship, but I think with very few exceptions, our mass shooters were on psychotropic drugs
 
2:13 PM
@Snow I saw it happen the other day hahahah, Focus ST power sliding a roundabout
 
@Twyxz <pedant mode> It wouldn't have been power sliding since you can't do that in FWD cars </pedant mode>
the only form of "power sliding" FWD cars can do is called "understeer"
to get sideways (drift-style) in a FWD car you're doing lift-off oversteer or Scandinavian-flicking it
(neither of which I would recommend on a public road FWIW)
 
Seen it happen, meaning I'm gonna do it and die
Nice knowing ya'll :o
 
What is the difference between a traffic circle and a roundabout
 
@RichardU The whole american social system is set up like this, at least it looks like that from the outside
the worse off you are, the more screwed are you in addition by the government
 
@Magisch Having climbed all the way up from homelessness twice in my life, I can tell you with little fear of contradiction, that the government is an impediment, not a hand.

However, another thing in US society that outsiders never see is just how cohesive and beneficial our communities are. I lived in an area that was poor beyond comprehension for most people in urban areas. Yet, the people were so generous that there was a store where you donated what you didn't need, took what you wanted and donated to the electric bill if you had any money.
These people were so generous that the store would periodically have to get rid of excess stock by donating it to a local indian reservation
 
2:29 PM
@Twyxz oh it happens.. it's just not a smart move, lift off oversteer is inherently less controllable because you can't balance it on the throttle in the same way, and because man FWD have shorter wheelbases than their RWD/AWD brethren your RG is much lower and it's very easy to swap ends
 
In times of disaster, the American people usually give more out of their own pockets than the federal government gives
 
 
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5:13 PM
I think someone needs a hug:
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A: My interviewed has been cancelled

Ertai87Depends on how badly you want the job. If you want the job badly enough to take more PTO, then take more PTO and face whatever consequences that arise. However, if you do not want the job that badly and are mostly just "interested", I would reply stating basically an ultimatum: "You will either...

 
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Q: Can we reopen "How can I deal with troublesome Professional Engineer?"

Richard UHow can I deal with troublesome Professional Engineer? The question was closed for the "Real questions have real answers" reason. There were numerous answers to this one, and an employee staging a job actions is something that is common enough that I think this should be reopened.

 
5:57 PM
@motosubatsu I'll say! WOW!
 
6:38 PM
Hello everybody, good evening
Thanks for the <s>repcap</s> bounty @RichardU :)
 
@DarkCygnus best answer got the bonus.
 
How did that manager situation ended? @RichardU
 
@DarkCygnus he's been brought to bear
 
Did the Bear eat him?
 
7:03 PM
@DarkCygnus no, but it's my understanding that he is in fact, on the menu
 
I see. I take it that his attitude has not changed much
 
7:18 PM
@DarkCygnus yes, but I'm laying a few traps.
 

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