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12:21 AM
@PatoSáinz Queue TWP question: "When including My Little Ponies on my resume, what is the most professional Pony:Content ratio?"
For anyone in the US, how is the job market currently? It was pretty miserable after 2008, and I've seen some recovery in the news, but for people actually working there, does it feel like things are going well?
 
Anonymous
@jmac lol
 
@PatoSáinz In all honesty though, I've made a (less atrocious) version of that as a cover letter. I used the company's website layout for introducing products and adapted it to promote myself instead. It didn't work, but I was very pleased with the finished product anyway.
 
Anonymous
@jmac that's cringeworthy, i tihnk
 
@PatoSáinz Why? I mean, if you have hundreds of candidates applying for a position, what is wrong with doing something that stands out?
 
Anonymous
12:40 AM
@jmac >implying HR droids know their own website
 
Anonymous
also, I misread your idea, I thought you did a "My Little Cover Letter"
 
@PatoSáinz The company I applied for was the type I'd assume has the HR people actually using their website/products, but I could always be wrong. I know my current company definitely wouldn't have the first clue, but my current company is in a very different industry.
 
Anonymous
@jmac oh ok
 
Anonymous
also, did that company had a nice-looking website?
 
@PatoSáinz Yes.
 
1:31 AM
@jmac That's a very volatile topic. If you look at my Facebook feed, you'd think the end is near.... which does lead me to ask... what's up with Fukishima?
 
@jmort253 That's a very volatile topic. If you look at my Facebook feed, you'd think the end is near.... Though in all honesty, it would seem as if it's being handled, the long-term impacts to humans have been much smaller than they could have been, and barring any serious unforeseen problems with cleaning up the spent fuel rods, the worst is behind.
(from foreigners in japan, there seem to be two major sides regarding Fukushima. One refuse to believe anything TEPCO says due to the inept handling of the crisis in the early days., and start posting alarmist articles from people not qualified to say one way or another. The other look at what the official reports are about what's going on from Japanese and international authorities, and figure things will be fine)
 
1:58 AM
@jmac I know people who are out of work, but I also know people doing quite well, economically speaking...
I can say the decision to get a computer science degree worked out well for me.
As to the volatility, I think this explains some of the hype:
Cracked is awesome.
 
@jmort253 Yeah, I suppose there isn't really an authoritative answer as to whether or not I will be able to find a job. Living overseas makes it virtually impossible to apply for positions effectively due to the time difference and handicap of signaling issues with relocation and start-dates and coordination.
 
@jmac I'd say the key is preparation.
Having money in the bank, enough to live for 6 months of expenses, including the job-hunting expenses, is key.
Also, I want to suggest that being a professional or in some professional field will yield much better results.
Most of the people I know who are out of work either don't have 4 year degrees or have degrees that aren't in high demand.
Having a positive attitude and outlook....
you'd be surprised how many people here have a poor attitude and expect to just get hired....
I hope you're reading that Cracked article.... David Wong is a freaking genius!
:)
 
@jmort253 Money isn't an issue. Nor is lack of professional skills (though I may want to swap industries). I will read the cracked article when I get home (promise).
I have a 4 year degree, I've been in the same industry for the past 7 years doing sales/contract negotiation, which is pretty universal at any rate.
Having a positive attitude is probably something I can muster. It's just the crippling doubt and uncertainty that gives me pause.
 
@jmac I believe that if you put your mind to something, you can do anything.
 
@jmort253 Yeah, I suggest working in Japan for a decade to put that hypothesis to the test. It is a different (soul-crushing at times) world here.
 
2:12 AM
My grandmother always told us that, and I can't really think of a time when she's been wrong.... at least not about that.
 
In my 10 years in Japan, I have seen people who want to do anything end up giving up and compromising because the act of changing takes at least a decade in most companies here, and it's a career killer if you actually push change that someone above you doesn't want.
I've seen very talented people tossed in positions where they are told, "You can cause the least trouble here. You will never be promoted or listened to by anyone of value in this company again. Do your best to keep your nose clean."
 
@jmac I don't have experience with Japanese business culture, but my grandmother's analogy still holds true. The difference may involve a slightly different approach or finding a different employer. Sometimes doing anything can mean doing something different.
Change in the US is even something greatly feared.
 
@jmort253 Not many people swap jobs in Japan. It is career suicide in many cases. I would estimate that 98% of the employees of my company have never worked in any other company in their life, and it is similar for most companies in Japan. Not to say your grandmother's advice is bad, it just isn't realistic in all situations.
 
2:44 AM
Also, I added the improvement to handling poor answers question to meta.so with a bit of simplification based on Shog's advice:
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Q: Improving the System to Deal with Bad Answers

jmacWhen someone asks a bad question, the closed question system is designed to have three goals: Prevent bad questions from causing harm as-is Allow time for editing/improvement of the question Auto-cleanup if the question is closed and not edited/improved With answers, we don't have that same l...

 
 
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4:56 AM
@jmac - Hmm, I guess I didn't think that folks would try to answer the cw post...
But you handled it well. :)
 
 
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7:43 AM
can we please flush this stinkin' repetitive nonsence away somehow?
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Q: What should I do about the discovery that a manager is not flushing the workplace toilet after use?

OgreSeveral months ago, our small company (around 20 people), hired a marketing manager (which is a new position within this company, he doesn't actually have any marketers to manage). It was not long after this time that I would use the toilet in one of our offices, and discover that someone had de...

I could cool it down by title edit but it stinks too much of repetition and hotness desire
 
 
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CMW
10:02 AM
Hi Jen, welcome to The Workplace. I'm sorry to hear that you feel treated unfairly and I'm even more sorry to have to tell you, that questions about legal advice are off-topic for this site. You have to ask a lawyer about this. — CMW 42 secs ago
 
 
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11:17 AM
What's wrong with downvoting bad answers? — Bill the Lizard 9 hours ago
Feb 28 at 6:36, by gnat
whenever I read what these guys write it just screams: educate me
 
CMW
11:48 AM
what are edits from anonymous users?
 
12:02 PM
@CMW in high view posts, these are sometimes used to sneak in spam. Otherwise, these can be normal suggestions...
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Q: Protected questions and editing

MarkI have an answer on Ask Different that gets 2-3 spam edits a day. The other two answers also receive near daily spam edits when the posts are not locked. The question has been protected however this just seems to stop new answers could the protection be changed to stop edit suggestions by those ...

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Q: Copying a question that had a misfortune of being widely exposed in the hot list

gnatThis question had a misfortune to be widely exposed in the hot list: Some of the employees don't check if everything has been flushed properly and that the bowl is clean Newer question is a slight variation of above, and is in the hot list too (why wouldn't it, having magic combination of wor...

 
CMW
Actually it was this one:
and had me kind of confused, because it reads like by the OP, but is anonymous
Different topic: is it possible that SE is being DDos-ed again? Certain parts seem to not load properly for me
 
Want this?
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Q: What to do when a team of mature programmers won't support a new younger tech lead?

hawkeyeI'm observing a situation where a team of middle-aged programmers have obtained a new tech lead for their current project. The project manager is also a contractor so is keen to free himself from responsibility. For various reasons, the team appears to have turned on the tech lead, channelling ...

 
CMW
@YannisRizos I think we have one of those already
let me see if I can find it
@YannisRizos I would add them as a comment to the original question, but can't seem to log into programmers, so here goes: workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/18248/… and workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/9603/… are possible dups or at least helpful posts to read for the OP
 
CMW
1:00 PM
Of course. Requirements in job posts are usually wishlists, not hard limits. — Juha Untinen 7 mins ago
Of couse not. Requirements in job posts are usually hard limits, not wishlists. — CMW 44 secs ago
This is quickly gathering opinion answers:
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Q: can i attend 3 years interview with 2.7 years experience

user3401747Can I attend 3 years experience Java interview with 2.7 years experience. will the companies strictly follow experience criteria?

add in sympathy upvotes and we have ourselves an awesome hot question
</sarcasm>
 
Good morning!
 
CMW
Hi Hugo
 
Quit trolling around, CMW!
:P
 
1:21 PM
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Q: What should I do about the discovery that a manager is not flushing the workplace toilet after use?

OgreSeveral months ago, our small company (around 20 people), hired a marketing manager (which is a new position within this company, he doesn't actually have any marketers to manage). It was not long after this time that I would use the toilet in one of our offices, and discover that someone had de...

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Q: Some of the employees don't check if everything has been flushed properly and that the bowl is clean

Nate KerkhofsWe have 1 men's toilet + 1 urinal at work for about 15-20 people and 1 women's toilet for 3-4 females. The problem we have is that some of the employees don't check if everything has been flushed properly and that the bowl is clean. According to the employees working here for a few years, this ...

are these dups?
 
CMW
@HugoRocha (;一_一)
@enderland I sorta think so
 
@CMW Just kidding! D:
 
CMW
@HugoRocha (づ ̄ ³ ̄)づ
(that's enough emoji for today)
 
This is asking for interpretation and application of employment law. Unfortunately, this is not an appropriate question for this site as any answer which is appropriate will require a legal perspective. — enderland 4 secs ago
bah voted wrong reason
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Q: How can I overcome "years of experience" requirements when applying to positions?

marco-fisetHaving just been rejected as a candidate for a job because I do not show the number of years of experience they require, I have some questions about how "years of experience" is interpreted by hiring managers. More to the point: How can I overcome the assumption that I do not have the skills ...

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Q: Can I attend 3 years interview with 2.7 years experience?

user3401747Can I attend 3 years experience Java interview with 2.7 years experience? Will the companies strictly follow experience criteria?

those are dups
 
CMW
@enderland I wanted to have it closed for opinion-based-ness, because it's such a great example
 
1:34 PM
yeah that's what I voted, but forgot it's a dup
 
@enderland These are almost legendary quads! :P
 
CMW
@enderland Ah, I didn't :) I wanted to add that after it was closed
 
yeah
 
1:56 PM
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Q: Copying a question that had a misfortune of being widely exposed in the hot list

gnatThis question had a misfortune to be widely exposed in the hot list: Some of the employees don't check if everything has been flushed properly and that the bowl is clean Newer question is a slight variation of above, and is in the hot list too (why wouldn't it, having magic combination of wor...

toilet management strikes back
 
2:19 PM
it's employee survey time!
 
CMW
@enderland I vote close as primarily opinion-based!
 
there's a comment / flag to migrate a question from Programmers to TWP, consider chiming in:
Please provide more details, preferably examples when team members don't do their job or are disrespectful. Also, how long has the lead been working? Has the lead been from the same team? Was anyone on the promotion line for the lead's position? These details will help provide a good answers and not general advice. I've marked your question to be migrated to workplace.stackexchange.com, but I think you need to improve it. — superM 2 hours ago
 
@YannisRizos no - it's a "tell me what to do" rather than a practical problem right now
we should get something like this
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Q: Why was my question closed or down voted?

MichaelTHelp! My question was closed (or down voted). Why? And what can I do about it? Downvoted Duplicate Off topic What language to take up next Recommend a tool, library, or other Career or education advice (MSO) Which computer science / programming Stack Exchange do I post in? Are you still confu...

 
2:40 PM
@Jmac you might have interest in that link
 
 
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3:59 PM
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Q: Should I put work not related to my profile on my resume?

theHumbleProgrammerI currently work for start up company. My current designation is of Developer. However I have been involved in the company in various capacity: Hiring(Conducting technical interviews). Things like Setting/Maintaining various tools that we use.Git/ Mantis and BugZilla. Help in aquiring new ha...

we've had this before right?
 
CMW
I know we had discussed this topic before but I can't find it on meta: Are questions concerning how to communicate with clients on-topic?
@enderland I think so, but can't find it either
 
4:17 PM
guess that notification is important. haha, already 37 in there
 
CMW
37?
 
close vote reveiws. Maybe you are better than me at reviewing them :)
 
CMW
ah, actually it's 43
but my review queue view is all zeros
 
 
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6:36 PM
"what should I do when the bathroom smells like something is burning?"
 
 
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7:37 PM
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Q: How to respond to "Why shouldn't we hire you?"

user298592Can someone please explain what the employer wants to get from the question, "Why shouldn't we hire you?" What type of answers are generally acceptable responses to this question?

protected this, currently have 4 DVs on answers there not to mention the deleted one...
 
7:52 PM
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Q: Make hot questions with multiple answers age away faster on smaller / subjective-ish sites

gnatDue to extended exposure to wide SE network, hot questions tend to attract certain amount of low quality answers. These answers would better be (and eventually are) removed, but on smaller / subjective-ish sites removal takes quite a lot of time due to limitations in moderation power and inadequa...

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A: Is it technically feasible to have 2-3 aging factors for hot questions at Programmers?

gnatIt is technically feasible, when adjustment involves data that is available at the moment when hotness score is calculated. If the adjustment involves only AnswerCount, it's easy to implement, taking into account that current formula uses it anyway: (MIN(AnswerCount, 10) * QScore) / 5 + Answer...

As an example, adjustment to lower part of the formula (age factor) can look like this:

(AnswerCount < 5 ? MAX(QAgeInHours + 1, 6)
: AnswerCount < 10 ? (QAgeInHours + 3)
: ? (QAgeInHours + 5)) ^ 1.4
 
8:03 PM
our questions become trash parade thanks to hotness formula
 
8:37 PM
@gnat there are so many opportunities for downvotes as of late
 
@enderland actually, there are more than I can handle... I hit the voting limit about an hour ago.
at Programmers (and until recently here) I tried to leave explanatory comments when voting down. But recent garbage waves seem to be too large for that...
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Q: Answers quality in hot questions

gnatFor few recent months, I've got a habit of downvoting answers which quality doesn't look OK to me. These probably can be generally described as low effort and/or these lacking relevance to question asked. Opinionated slogans, claims that are not backed up by appropriate references or by ...

 
9:07 PM
yeah
 
 
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10:14 PM
@jmort253 if you want an obvious mod-hammer.... workplace.stackexchange.com/a/20397/2322
 
 
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11:38 PM
@enderland My English-to-English translator tells me that means, "jmac, please make a TWP version of that post to put on our meta"
 
@jmac more that I think we should definitely could use one like that
I think we have some meta posts already which are good for that
 
@enderland I actually made one before
 
ok. I thought so
 
Not exactly the same, but similar
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Q: 'On-Topic' and 'Off-Topic' sections of the help center

jmac Now that we have graduated, I think we should re-visit this discussion. As an official site, we should strive to clearly state what is on- and off-topic here to help guide new users to become productive contributors, and lessen confusion over why certain types of questions are closed. Backgr...

(which I really think we should turn in to our actual FAQ, mind)
Anyway, meeting time
will deal with all this stuff anon
 

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