Chat feedback

chanchal1987

10:36

How can I create a chat room for the site WebApps?

balpha

what are you talking about? there is one, and you just talked in it

in WebApps, 9 mins ago, by chanchal1987

Why WebApps Chat redirects me here??

chanchal1987

@balpha OK

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

11:41

Um...

okay, so somehow chat's broken for me.

Here's what should be in the IC room

Marc Gravell

Let me check - it is possible I got the room URLs switched...

Help me out: IC vs OOC? (pretend I'm idiotic...)

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

nonono. I don't have access to the IC room, despite being owner

In character, out of character

Marc Gravell

ah, right. Yes; 1 second

You now own the IC room

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

oh, Hello :)

thank you so much. Is there any way to grant me mod permissions on the IC room?

We frequently find need of editing player actions and whatnot

Marc Gravell

you should now have them

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

11:46

Also you have an /insane/ reputation :)

Awesome. Thank you so much.

balpha

marc is generally insane; that's not restricted to reputation

Marc Gravell

don't make me /kick you...

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

::laughs:: Welcome you two.

Would you like to play Red Team? :)

It's a special privilege I reserve for mods :)

Marc Gravell

@Brian - note: you'll need to grant additional access to anyone who needs access to the IC room as they enter.

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

Hrmmm. So my prior manipulations have been removed?

right. And can I add them before the fact?

Marc Gravell

11:48

Sorry, yes; it might not look it, but this is a completely different chat server.

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

Oh, funky. Cool :)

Also, has the horrible queuing for rapid typers been reduced?

hrmm, that word doesn't look right

Marc Gravell

no; is that causing significant problems? (I'm going to drag this aside to chat-feedback, btw)

← 28 messages moved from The Back Room: Table 1 - OOC

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

Cool. thanks :)

Um... it's really annoying to me if I'm having conversations in multiple rooms. I type /quite/ quickly. I'm happy for lag to be introduced, but I'd rather not have to click "retry"

Also, I don't seem to have mod access in the IC chat.

But yes, I'm serious about allowing moderators to play red team. :)

balpha

why would you have mod access?

Brian Ballsun-Stanton, Sydney, AU

2.1k 2 16

I don't see a diamond

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

Asking for limited mod access for that one room, because of the needs of the room.

balpha

11:55

?

oh, you mean you want to be room owner

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

Basically as we're running the In-character aspects of a game in that room, players frequently mis-type and the edit period expires before we can resolve it

The usual scenario is: "x says something, y says "but, that's not what happened" and the timeout on edits dings"

balpha

no, editing other people's messages is restricted to moderators

as is editing out of the 2min window

we can't grant you that

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

drat. ::sigh::

Is it even /possible/ to have fine-grained controls like that, so I can ask the site mods?

or is it not worth the hassle?

balpha

the site mods can do that

but they can't grant anyone else the right

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

Right. Oh well.

Thank you for the response.

And I imagine deleting is in the same boat?

balpha

11:57

yeah

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

And can i have owner of OOC as well?

using the two channels to test some of the answers from the site.

It's novel :)

balpha

@BrianBallsunStanton you are now

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

Thanks, mate.

Well, with that, I'll get out of your hair. thanks for the help and the answers.

balpha

anytime

Marc Gravell

I've imported the other users

I'll see if I can set them up

C. Ross

12:02

@MarcGravell @balpha Does this mean I'm not moderator on our rooms anymore?

The rooms are still RPG branded, but I seem to have lost rights there

balpha

you should be -- if you're not, that'll be fixed

try now

Marc Gravell

shouldn't do; I've just tweaked something - can you visit logout for me? (and log back in, obviously)

C. Ross

ok done

Marc Gravell

I see you as a mod, now

C. Ross

It seems I have my mojo back

so are all chats going to be here now, or just beta sites?

Marc Gravell

12:07

Mostly here, if I understand the plan. For some of the sites, the user-base was too small to support much of a conversation.

So here we get cross-pollination, so to speak

But we can still partition the rooms as we choose (hence the RPG room should seem familiar)

C. Ross

indeed

Is there a way I can get a "Rooms for site" view?

would be useful when moderating?

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

Should I have RPG in my room titles?

Marc Gravell

@CRoss Jeff was reluctant, but I can't think of a way of avoiding it, to be honest.

C. Ross

@BrianBallsunStanton It has a little RPG icon on it

so probably not necessary

Marc Gravell

@BrianBallsunStanton perhaps if it is unclear. Note that we do give it an icon too

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

12:10

Hrmm. I'll err on the side of repetition for now, until it starts to annoy me.

Marc Gravell

@CRoss here's a trick for you, though: 4 RPG rooms first

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

cute

Marc Gravell

(which is actually what you get if you click on "chat" in rpg.SE)

C. Ross

cool

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

and yeah, in that case, RPG takes up way too much space in my chat titles

C. Ross

12:12

you could just use "RPG"

everyone would know what that is, we might just have to kick out the computer gamers once in a while ;-)

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

point.

I don't suppose I can use explicit newlines in the room descriptions?

I'd love to have in-character and out of character be sub-heads

Marc Gravell

Not AFAIK, but there is a description field

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

Yeah. Fair enough.

C. Ross

12:35

Have y'all ever thought about getting the other devs in chat sometime?

It might be fun to have an hour with the devs sometime. Maybe on SO chat.

Brian Ballsun-Stanton

G'night all. And you all are welcome in the Back Room anytime, especially if you want to throw some minions to their deaths :)

balpha

@CRoss Jeff, Kevin, Jin, Zypher, and Geoff are on chat.SO quite regularly

C. Ross

I'll have to hang out over there more

mbq

Shall we somewhat suggest migrations?

C. Ross

@balpha Where did our private mod room go? Will we still be able to have those?

balpha

12:48

@CRoss sorry, I meant chat.meta.SO

hmm... @MarcGravell what was the plan with the mod rooms?

Marc Gravell

you should still have them; if the room is tied to a SE, only your site mods can walk in (other people need explicit access).

For rooms that are not tied to a SE (i.e. SE-wide discussion), all SE mods are mods.

are you missing your rooms?

hmm... I could have sworn I brought the RPG one over; I know I did webapps, for example.

@CRoss Do you need the history? or just the room?

C. Ross

@MarcGravell I can't see it

just the room probably

Marc Gravell

nor me; maybe I didn't bring it over. I've been playing with lots of rooms... :(

C. Ross

production moves are always fun

Marc Gravell

chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/17/trolls-and-ogres

That do?

C. Ross

12:54

It'll work

Marc Gravell

Now all I need is another non-RPG SE mod to be honest and tell me whether they can get in or not!

mbq

I have request access page.

Marc Gravell

thanks @mbq

(that is the desired and correct behaviour, unless you are an RPG mod)

@mbq - I guess I'd better import the stats room from meta...

mbq

@MarcGravell So I thought about...

C. Ross

@MarcGravell The host field, that defines which site owns the room?

And the room owner can change that at will?

Marc Gravell

12:58

moderators only; and in fact you need to be a moderator of that room. Hmm; maybe I'll make that site-admin only!

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mbq

@MarcGravell Thanks!

Marc Gravell

welcome

Rowland Shaw

13:37

Quick question -- is it expected that migrated comments that were replies read of the form ":256223 [Whatever]"?

C. Ross

14:17

@balpha @MarcGravell I'm getting spurious messages in my global inbox.

> chat message on Moderator room: 2 new replies

balpha

yeah, me too -- thousands of comments on my answer to welbogs post on meta :)

C. Ross

but it links to chat.rpg.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/10821#10821 (which takes me to a photography transcript)

balpha

@CRoss where does it link?

C. Ross

And there's a retry twice/ duplicate issue too :-)

Rowland Shaw

I'm guessing the messages have been renumbered since they came across?

balpha

14:23

yeah -- let's assume that this is a migration artifact, but please report if it happens again @CRoss

C. Ross

ok

Marc Gravell

Spurious messages? Any more detail?

C. Ross

Just what I gave already

Michael Mrozek

1 hour ago, by Marc Gravell

For rooms that are not tied to a SE (i.e. SE-wide discussion), all SE mods are mods.

Should that include me? Or is it just launched sites?

Hmm. Where does it pull rep from? Your highest site?

Marc Gravell

Ah, dammit : I imagine that mentions got reprocessed.

@Michael -which site are you mod on, and which site is your profile using?

If you go to your profile page you should be able to choose your SE persona.

Michael Mrozek

14:29

@MarcGravell Unix and Linux, and my profile here is SO

C. Ross

@MarcGravell Will that change if I'm a mod or not?

Michael Mrozek

@MarcGravell Oh, I see. Thanks

Marc Gravell

At the moment, yes. I suspect it will.

Michael Mrozek

...that was odd. I'm no longer sure how many times that message went through, or what order they happened in

Ok, so switching to the profile where I'm a mod made me a chat mod, it appears. Neat

Marc Gravell

I also saw double; 15:29, 15:30, 15:29 - there's a gremlin edge condition in there somewhere.

Michael Mrozek

14:32

@MarcGravell I got a "timeout" locally, so I retried twice, gave up and refreshed the page; so apparently it was reporting a timeout but actually going through

rchern

hrm

C. Ross

I had the same situation a few minutes ago, see my deleted message

Rowland Shaw

@MichaelMrozek That also means you can take ownership of a room

(if it's associated to a site that you're mod of)

C. Ross

Or if it's not associated at all (I think)

Michael Mrozek

@RowlandShaw Ok. We didn't have a chat beforehand, so I don't think we have a premade room

I just randomly logged out; not sure if that happened to everyone else

Rowland Shaw

14:36

fine here, I think

C. Ross

good for me

I don't think I've ever seen this many people with chat-mod in the same chat room

radp

aaaargh, everything is blue

here I come bringing some sanity :P

(kick in 3, 2, 1...)

rchern

oh gawd

it all goes down from here

@radp is here

radp

gg

C. Ross

I wonder which sites won't get migrated here? I see gaming hasn't yet

radp

14:40

I hope gaming doesn't :P

C. Ross

why?

radp

We actually use our chat...

rchern

so?

C. Ross

and RPG doesn't?

Marc Gravell

We'd like to move gaming. Probably tomorrow. We want to consolidate chat down a bit.

Michael Mrozek

14:41

> parsererror - retry / cancel

Marc Gravell

Er... Retry please Bob?

rchern

so, @radp, this chat breaks your script.

Michael Mrozek

The retry link and me aren't on good terms at the moment, but canceling and resending worked

radp

@rchern yep.

That's another reason why I'm not a fan of this. :P

C. Ross

what script?

rchern

14:43

SO Live chat edition

radp

SO Live! Chat Edition. It used the domain name to know what site it should've pulled rep updates from.

Obviously...

...obviously I'll change it to pull updates from Gaming instead :P

rchern

...

radp

Hardcoded ftw!!

rchern

should pull from all

Marc Gravell

If you are hacking into the user-info JSON, is is all there

C. Ross

14:44

not a bandwidth hog at all

radp

@rchern no -- that uses 30 times as much API calls.

rchern

@radp, no really? lol

@MarcGravell, this is live updates of rep changes though...

C. Ross

@MarcGravell tell me more?

radp

@rchern Ya really, there's no unified API that tells me "give me all rep updates from all sites"

you need to ask each one of them separately.

Marc Gravell

@badp has the truth of it

rchern

14:46

oy. i know. i wasn't being serious

Marc Gravell

(we need a stackapps room - go to it, hackers)

Michael Mrozek

> Look at you, hacker. A pathetic creature of meat and bone, panting and sweating as you run through my corridors. How can you challenge a perfect, immortal machine? -- Marc Gravell/SHODAN

user30

Hohoho

radp

tsk, what is needed as an SE Tavern :P

user30

misguided-falling upon new-looking chat site ftw

radp

14:47

there aren't enough of them yet obviously.

C. Ross

quick, a mod create it first! ;-)

user30

Although that previous sentence didn't actually make any sense

rchern

@MarcGravell, how do I associate the room with that site? I don't see any site selection

Marc Gravell

There is a "general" room - it could be renamed

@rchern edit => host

rchern

oh, you do it after you create it? weird (;

Michael Mrozek

14:48

@rchern and I are already hanging out in general. The rest of you would just ruin it

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Yi Jiang

Woah...! Blueeeee....!

radp

by the way

@CRoss ↑ (how it was before gaming was split to its own chat site)

Yi Jiang

Great, now I have to watch three General Rooms now...

Marc Gravell

Well, mostly the default will be right. It is a mod feature to change it

rchern

no site autocomplete either?

pfffft q:

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C. Ross

14:51

@radp I was around if you don't remember

radp

@CRoss I know, so? :)

user30

If we're giving feedback, the chat login message isn't particularly clear - I hadn't realised I had to create an account on stackexchange.com - it appeared as though it would log me in with any of my *.stackexchange.com accounts

Marc Gravell

@rchern - sheesh; I'll add it later

C. Ross

@YiJiang But most of them are on the same site, or will be soon

Marc Gravell

@Thomas - it will

rchern

14:52

@MarcGravell, fair warning, I was up until 2am and I didn't sleep well. I'm grumpy. (;

balpha

@ThomasMcDonald that is the case

Yi Jiang

Holy! Feature Request: Change @-mention color from blood red NAO!!!

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user30

So it should have just logged me in?

radp

@YiJiang hm?

@YiJiang don't you just love it?

balpha

@ThomasMcDonald yes, if you have recently logged in to any SE site

radp

14:53

I did have a SE account, but chat complained my login was too old :/

rchern

@MarcGravell, @balpha, what chats are / will be combined? Trying to figure out what my @include block should be now

Michael Mrozek

@ThomasMcDonald Popular Demand is having problems too

in The Tavern (General) on Meta Stack Overflow Chat, 5 mins ago, by Popular Demand

I can't log in to SE chat. I'd report this there, but....

Yi Jiang

@radp Stop @-mentioning me! My eyes are bleeding

Brant Bobby

@radp Same thing happened to me just now, too. I was already logged in at stackexchange.com; I had to log out/in again for it to let me into chat.

user30

Although I hadn't noticed you could have an account on stackexchange yet, so I guess something positive came out of it

rchern

14:54

meta.stackoverflow, stackexchange, stackoverflow, superuser, serverfault, askubuntu? anything else needed?

Brant Bobby

So the whole chat.* universe is getting consolidated into one place?

radp

@BrantBobby except for the trilogy and AskUbuntu, it seems

Marc Gravell

@rchern I think that is the list. Gaming should move "soon"

rchern

Is AskUbuntu staying separate?

Michael Mrozek

@rchern That is their way. ^_^

Yi Jiang

14:56

.mention {
    background-color:#B3F1D5;
}

radp

@MarcGravell the least you could do is merge back our chatlog from both MSO and chat.Gaming though.

Yi Jiang

Ahhh.... relief

rchern

yeah, the red really isn't all that readable

Marc Gravell

@radp - I thought I had...

user30

I quite like the red

Marc Gravell

14:57

What are you missing?

radp

You hadn't when Gaming was launched

Piers Myers

I like the design of Chat.SE. What will it's main purpose be (as opposed to Chat.SO and Chat.MSO)? Will all the Chat rooms be merged into this one eventually?

Marc Gravell

Ah, I haven't migrated gaming yet

That is tomorrows job, I think

user30

@PiersMyers From what I understand it's a central location for chat for the majority of the *.se sites until they reach the mass needed for a single chat location, might be wrong though

radp

chat.gaming.stackexchange.com/transcript/3/2010/9/21

wait a second

HTML5 is required to chat here right?

so I'm done chatting on Gaming from my mobile.

Marc Gravell

14:59

Let me repeat: chat.gaming is not yet closed down

balpha

yes, IE7 is out

Piers Myers

I like the notify twang sound :)

balpha

@radp works fine with android and iCrap

radp

@MarcGravell I know it isn't, just mentioning we have some backlog left in MSO too

Marc Gravell

The data will be migrated when it is

radp

14:59

I was simply recalling, that's all.

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