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DH.

00:08

Why do you need grass instead of dirt blocks?

6 hours later…

Jochem

06:30

@DH. thaumcraft earth shards

1 hour later…

Kevin van der Velden

07:38

I've got a resonant exchanger and a patch of grass larger than its range

Gives a stack at a time =p

Jochem

07:51

@KevinvanderVelden but. but.. but... automation

Kevin van der Velden

@Jochem true!

And I will when I set up more automated thaumcraft

I do have the hammering of shards automated =p

Jochem

also, bizarre contraptions :D

that didn't really work, btw

the red power wire next to the digging AA triggered it, and messed up stuff

1 hour later…

Jochem

08:54

I'm really missing SFM for stuff like this

Kevin van der Velden

Are annihilation planes silk touch?

ratchet freak

@KevinvanderVelden try it with smooth stone

Kevin van der Velden

At work =p

ratchet freak

if they are then you could use a row of grass and next to it a row of dirt getting pushed along by pistons on a timer

at the other end you silk touch them and filter them

dirt goes back to be pushed and grass gets hammered

Kevin van der Velden

Oh hey that could also work, just do a piston moving a giant plane of dirt every few seconds

ratchet freak

08:59

you need some seed grass though

like every other row the grass doesn't move

Kevin van der Velden

Yeah, I'd go with every 3rd row at least though

Jochem

@KevinvanderVelden they're not

Kevin van der Velden

@Jochem aah =[

Well still solveable

ratchet freak

and grass spread is dependent the amount of seed blocks

Kevin van der Velden

Damnit now I want to make a giant eternally cycling grass maker thing

ratchet freak

09:00

it's the seed block that does the spreading instead of dirt looking for grass

Kevin van der Velden

> The dirt block receiving grass must be within a 3×3×5 range of the source block where the source block is in the center of the second topmost layer of that range,
The source block must have a light level of 9 or brighter directly above it,
The dirt block must have a light level of at least 4 above it,
Any block above the dirt block must not reduce light by 2 levels or more.

ratchet freak

there are automatable silk touch possibilities though

Kevin van der Velden

From AA to MFR block breakers

That's not the problem indeed

Jochem

the problem I'm having is mostly timing based

ratchet freak

and in the code it's grass block that does a spread on random ticks

Kevin van der Velden

09:02

Yeah

ratchet freak

ritual of the green grove to speed it up then

Jochem

the for some reason, sometimes the block update of placing the block seems to trigger the digging AA, and sometimes it doesn't

Kevin van der Velden

So make a tesselated layout of, say, 3x3 grass with glowstone in the center

Then an empty layer, then the eternally piston-cycled dirt

ratchet freak

I think there is some reachability checks though

like grass won't spread through walls

Jochem

the biggest problem I think is detecting whether the block you're looking at is actually grass

Kevin van der Velden

09:04

@Jochem nah, that's what brute force is for

ratchet freak

CC turtle?

Kevin van der Velden

@ratchetfreak it will, I've pasted the requirements above

Jochem

@ratchetfreak CC turtle is cheating ;P Might as well use a BM alchemy ritual then

but yeah, I think CC turtles are the only real option for detecting what a block is in-world in this pack

Kevin van der Velden

It's just because it's 3x3 so you need to have it diagonally

Jochem

that's why I was trying the BUD route, but that's proving unreliable. I could put a timer with some long time set on the reset input of the counter, I suppose, but that's no fun

I'll probably just replace it with a turtle later today, it'll work until I can get the alchemy route automated

ratchet freak

09:36

you can make the turtle just output a redstone signal if there is grass next to it

Ieuan

@KevinvanderVelden do we have steve's factory manager or w/e it's called?

ratchet freak

aka just make it work like a block detector

Ieuan

That could also work

ratchet freak

@Ieuan nope

Kevin van der Velden

@Ieuan no we don't have SFM =p

43 mins ago, by Jochem

I'm really missing SFM for stuff like this

ratchet freak

09:38

it kinda highlights how some mods tend to be the only option for certain operations

Kevin van der Velden

All that's really needed is another mod with a "give a redstone signal if the block in this direction is of this type"

Then it'd be trivial, that block, piece of redstone, AA, timer to a block placer which constantly tries (and mostly fails) to place dirt

ratchet freak

or a only harvest this block with silk touch when it's this type

Kevin van der Velden

That's way too specific =p

ratchet freak

there've been mods that do such specific things (plant harvesting ;) )

Kevin van der Velden

Yes

Still way too specific =p

2 hours later…

Jochem

11:58

quick lunchbreak turtle go \o/

so much simpler :( feels like cheating, though

Kevin van der Velden

Heh

I'm going for the massively overcomplicated piston build

Because it's just more fun that way

Jochem

you still need something to tell you whether a block is grass or not

or do you intend to make the cycle long enough for the block to always be grass by the time it arrives?

ratchet freak

or just silk touch what comes out the other side always and then filter

Kevin van der Velden

That last one, playing the chances

ratchet freak

do keep in mind that there may be a tipping point where you can suddenly get a ton of grass or nearly none of it

grass spread depends on how many nearby grassblocks there are and how often each grassblock gets a random tick

Kevin van der Velden

12:05

I'm aware

ratchet freak

if you want a truly advanced build you could use a computer to keep track of how much grass you get on average and adjust the timer

Kevin van der Velden

Could do that

Or just tune it myself

ratchet freak

but then you wouldn't be able to keep a log and provide nice graphs

Kevin van der Velden

That is true!

I don't see the problem however

Jochem

12:21

you could, LP has a statistics table that can track amounts over time

ratchet freak

that only tracks what is in the system

while if you want a good tracking you need to track what is generated

Jochem

12:42

hm, I suppose, yeah

Ieuan

13:15

@Jochem best part about my harvesters is that most aren't in use yet

Jochem

@Ieuan so why not just one with an upgrade for range?

Ieuan

@Jochem I want to have the separate 3x3 plots per crop

Jochem

@Ieuan so?

not every block in range of a harvester needs to be a plot :)

Ieuan

@Jochem I know, but having a big harvester means cycles take longer

I'd rather waste resources but have shorter cycles

Jochem

I've got a 15x15 one at the moment, and there's hardly ever any visibly grown crops :)

Kevin van der Velden

13:21

It's not like you'll reach the cycles unless you add a bunch of sprinklers =p

Jochem

like, a lot of sprinklers

I've got 8, and they don't even get close

Kevin van der Velden

I've got a 9by9 and... sufficient sprinklers

Ieuan

@Jochem well when I did a harvester for my potato farm it ended up cutting my rates in about half because the bigger they get the slower they get

and the enderio thing was way faster

Jochem

@Ieuan are you dumping your sludge?

Ieuan

@Jochem void pipes, yeah

Kevin van der Velden

13:30

@Ieuan :'(

Fun fact, with LP you can have everything via one connection, just like in enderio (but prettier)

Ieuan

@KevinvanderVelden you wanna have it?

Kevin van der Velden

Sure =p

Ieuan

Get two ender tanks and I'll hook you up

Kevin van der Velden

Cool, will do :)

Jochem

I should really process mine too, but I couldn't be bothered for a long time, and now I've got other ways of getting soul sand, clay, and netherack

Ieuan

13:32

@KevinvanderVelden what are you even going to use it for?

Kevin van der Velden

@Ieuan free clay and soulsand

I mean, sure, water on mycellium + sand or water + dust also gives that

But who cares!

Also for pinning:

Dynmap view of the server! Spy on everyone :D

(Also yay for starring your own messages)

Wipqozn

13:48

I did not mean tot join this room.

Dark Souls 3 > Minecraft

ratchet freak

^dude could have just silently left...

Arperum

@ratchetfreak Nope. He could not. It's @Wipqozn. He's awful like that.

Wipqozn

@Arperum Yes

Arperum

And now we can ping @Wipqozn for a while.

Wipqozn

@Arperum I've made a terrible mistake.

Arperum

14:00

@Wipqozn Yes.

Kevin van der Velden

@Wipqozn LIES

@ratchetfreak Nope, now we get to ping him

Wait @Arperum said that already

But! We can also do something else with @Wipqozn here

Given the amount of room owners in here...

Jochem

Besides, you can emulate Dark Souls 3 in minecraft. start a skyblock map, but omit the block part.

Arperum

@KevinvanderVelden Wildly kicking @Wipqozn would result in a modswarm though, kicks get reported through if seemingly abused.

Kevin van der Velden

@Arperum ~room ownership~

Arperum

@KevinvanderVelden Ah yea, there's that.

2 hours later…

DH.

15:49

@Jochem I'd rather say that Dark Souls 3 would be better emulated as a skyblock map where you start in The End

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