Minecraft Talk - 2010-11-23

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Brant

02:31

Floor D of Community Wiki is still disturbingly disco-free.

8 hours later…

badp

10:17

Douglas Leeder

10:32

How can anyone be short of cobblestone?

badp

@DouglasLeeder No idea either, but I needed the picture URL.

Well

one can be short of cobblestone if you store all of it on a chest

then somebody uses TNT right outside your Hold.

Then all your cobblestone is lost.

But how could that happen, right?

@Brant I know, WIP.

I mostly only caved it out in the blast area of the TNT blocks that, incidentally, destroyed the large chests full of cobblestones (and dirt, and gravel, and sand.)

2 hours later…

badp

12:37

Hrm, a large chest can hold 54 slots.

Each can hold 64 stone blocks.

Each block is 1 m³

That makes large chests 3,456m³ large.

Douglas Leeder

13:07

Ah - you think there's a linear mapping from the internal dimensions to the external dimensions?

Feeds

13:28

The Word of Notch
Zetterstrand

Don’t forget about the ongoing texture pack competition at Webhallen where you can win an...
http://notch.tumblr.com/post/1658669679

1 hour later…

badp

14:47

@DouglasLeeder Logically....

Feeds

15:11

The Word of Notch
Gah, the update is coming tomorrow because I'm silly

I tried to do a Minecraft update today, and it turns out I didn’t bring the keystore with the...
http://notch.tumblr.com/post/1659195746

Brant

15:54

Clearly chests harness the same magicks that Nether portals do. It would explain why my compass always ends up in a different chest than the one I placed it in.

JavadocMD

16:19

@Feeds "fighting monsters *and other players*" [emphasis mine] WTF!?

(Hm, quotes mess with italics?)

badp

@JavadocMD PVP flag, rite?

JavadocMD

Wasn't aware there was such a flag. I can't imagine what that would be like gameplay wise... O_O

badp

@JavadocMD A great honeypot for griefers :D

ZoogieZork

I've seen some public servers discussing having organized colosseum matches and pre-emptively marking out "PvP kill = instant ban" zones

I highly anticipate the chaos that will reign for the first few days

badp

@ZoogieZork I just hope @Fosco finds the flag real soon :P

ZoogieZork

16:31

Not to mention Spleef matches where it is legal to just outright kill your opponent :P

@badp Yeah, I'm hopeful we can keep damage turned off on the private server I've been hanging out on

badp

@ZoogieZork wait, how would you make a server private, other than by not advertising it?

ZoogieZork

By doing exactly that... not advertising it :)

We may have to resort to additional measures if the whole friend-of-a-friend thing starts to snowball out of control

JavadocMD

16:50

@badp As if griefers needed any help. :) I figured running around collecting a big tail of creepers and running them into a highly populated area would be enough...

Don't even need the PVP flag for that. >:)

Fosco

17:13

I heard my name... let me read what this is about..

@badp You can have a White-list, only allowing those you want in.

ZoogieZork

Starting to play around with modifying the Minecraft-Overviewer for my private server. I've got day/night toggles working, now working on adding a toggle for signs

Fosco

You guys really want damage off? total creative mode?

ZoogieZork

The Google Maps API is actually a lot easier to work with than I expected :)

user30

@Fosco Yeah

badp

@Fosco I don't know, tbh. I don't like the idea of fall damage; a lot of places like the community wiki would need to be made in adminium/obsidian; etc.

Fosco

17:20

Fall damage does suck...

What if we altered gravity? :)

ZoogieZork

@Fosco lol

badp

I say we try the mobs for 12 hours then decide :P

Fosco

Sounds good to me.. I really haven't been on it much at all.

user30

I'm not so sure..

user30

It's going to be a very different experience if every x-minutes you have to go and hide for half the time

Fosco

17:23

It was nice not having to be afraid of the dark

EndangeredMassa

I haven't been playing on any SMP servers at all because it's no fun without the danger.

Fosco

@EndangeredMassa I'd like to run two of them... I agree the single player is more fun.

Care to chip in for the costs of the server? paypal: [email protected] (OPTIONAL!)

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EndangeredMassa

@Fosco That's probably a good idea

user30

@Fosco I don't want to play with damage, I'll happily run one/help with running if wanted.

Fosco

@ThomasMcDonald We'll disable damage as soon as it's updated.. no worries.

user30

17:29

Yeah, but if we're running two, I'll happily take care of one if needed

Fosco

If I launch another one, it will be vanilla with damage and no /give.

@ThomasMcDonald I got mine from Linode.com, but it's $40/month for the shared server.

I should never have gotten rid of my last dedicated server.. it was $80 a month but could do so much more.

@ZoogieZork Willing to share your version?..

ZoogieZork

18:04

@Fosco Sure, here's the current version (view-source): lugatgt.org/content/minecraft

It's not particularly clean, but it works

EndangeredMassa

@Fosco Yeah, I want to play on a pure server like that.

@Fosco $40? That's not bad. How much ram/etc. do you have? I'm disappointed in the cost for ram on vps. Mine is like $35 for 1gb of ram and it can't really handle minecraft.

Although, that's a windows box.

user30

It's $40 for 1GB of ram

Fosco

18:28

yeah just 1gb, but its ubuntu

EndangeredMassa

I imagine it has a bit less overhead, allowing the minecraft server to work without as much trouble.

In my windows vps, it would run out of ram all the time.

user30

19:17

A company I once had a VPS with has a special on 1.5GB ram, €30/month

JavadocMD

Slicehost is really nice to work with, but they're a little more pricey than that.

What does Minecraft do to your bandwidth, @Fosco?

Fosco

@JavadocMD I'll check now..

JavadocMD

(BTW, use my referral link if anyone buys Slicehost.) ;) manage.slicehost.com/customers/…

Fosco

@JavadocMD Total: 10.1 GB (in 19 days),, only 2% of limit.

JavadocMD

Ah okay, not too bad.

Fosco

19:26

I just started a task to RESIZE the linode disk image

here's hoping the whole thing doesn't crash & burn

ah.. must be shut down first.

Can lamb021 log off for ~15 min? plz kkthx

user30

Yeah

user30

I had it open in the background, didn't realise to be honest

Fosco

resizing now

resize complete... booting.

Macha

Just had a creeper spawn in my glass house :(

Fosco

bahahaa

@ThomasMcDonald Server is back up now.

oh that was stupid of me... I thought I could have 2 based on disk size.. can't.

user30

19:37

I wasn't doing anything, got some work to do first

Macha

Found the cause, bit of dirt flooring had grown glass on floor 3 and gone too dark overnight :(

Brant

Haha... ouch.

ZoogieZork

Oh man that sucks

Brant

Remember, those who live in glass houses shouldn't grow creepers.

Actually, that gives me a neat idea. I wonder if I could set up a bunch of 1x1x2 "cryo tubes" with grass floors and make a creeper farm

it might take a while to get them to actually spawn inside though..

ZoogieZork

One of the most satisfying things we've built on another server is a fire pit with a glass walkway above it

At night you could kite the creepers and skeletons from above into the fire pit and watch them dance in the flames

Also generated a lot of pork and feathers :P

Brant

19:45

hehe

Bows became so much more useful/fun when I realized that arrows are only consumed if you actually hit a target.

You can just launch a whole stack of arrows at a creeper, gatling-gun style, from half a mile away. Very satisfying.

JavadocMD

I usually wind up firing a stack or so to get rid of ghasts... I rarely get any of those arrows back though. :(

Fosco

20:07

I resized the disk back to full.. going to see if the current server can handle TWO minecraft server instances.

user30

I'm going to take a guess at no

badp

With a 1 GB ram limit... nope.

Fosco

Don't try and stop me!

badp

I mean it'll work fine early on.

user30

Oh wow: reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/eaf3q/…

Tim Stone

20:11

shakes fist at @Fosco for making him open another tab :P

Fosco

me?

Tim Stone

Joining the room and such.

Fosco

Oh.. forgot you were from Tavern. :)

user30

How's the other instance going?

Fosco

so odd... I duplicated the structure, updated a new server.properties file with a new port.. it keeps trying to bind to the old port and failing

now it works.

second instance up at: fdotm.com:31337

a fresh world.

user30

20:30

With an interesting spawn

Fosco

oh?

user30

In the middle of an archway

Fosco

rendering google-map of instance 2

user30

/give is not disabled ;)

Fosco

I know :) should I do that now?

user30

20:32

Probably a good idea

Fosco

ok.. hop off plz.

ill get rid of hey0 too

user30

I dno, there's some good things there

user30

is /home part of the default setup?

Fosco

no thats hey0

ok ill leave hey0 and just disable /give

should be up now without /give or /kit

google map of instance 2 : fdotm.com/mc2

@ThomasMcDonald Can you test that it no longer works?

user30

Give doesn't work

user30

20:38

No idea what /kit is

Fosco

it was a command that could be configured to give multiple items

like /kit miningtools

and it would give you one of each diamond tool or something like that

I never set it up

StrixVaria

that would have been awesome if it could have given me like 8 stacks of brick at once

instead of typing /give 45 64 8 times

Fosco

@StrixVaria I could do that on the main server

StrixVaria

Well, I don't really need brick any more

bridge is almost done :P

Fosco

forget I mentioned it then :)

Brant

20:42

AAGH MORE SNOW

Server fail

EndangeredMassa

@Fosco That sounds good. I do like the /home and /warp commands. It would be nice if you couldn't use them if a baddie was running after you, though.

Fosco

@EndangeredMassa :) It's all or nothing on those 2..

JavadocMD

Eh, if you can type in the warp command before a creeper explodes you, I say you deserve it. :)

EndangeredMassa

@Fosco I know, it's just a though.

@JavadocMD haha, perhaps

JavadocMD

Woah, new sport! Everyone leaps off a tall platform and if you can warp away before you hit the ground, you win!

Warp points of increasing character length will be used in each round. :)

Macha

20:52

What are those seperate blocks?

Fosco

no idea, was wondering why they generated...

maybe they were in view range of thomas when he logged in?

user30

Could have been

user30

I noticed it did something similar on my singleplayer maps

user30

22:55

So what are we proposing with this PvP server? Will it be PvP or just PvMobs? Wondering whether to clear out a 'safe' area around spawn.

Fosco

That'd be nice.. a communal safe area by spawn

user30

I'm also thinking the /tp command would be a pain if it was true PvP

Fosco

I'm thinking just PvMobs, but we'll see.

/tp could be removed as well..

@ThomasMcDonald You think it's going to crash because of 2?

user30

The server?

Fosco

as in, more than it already does just because it's minecraft

yeah

user30

22:59

I'd just worry about the amount of ram it's got

user30

23:32

@Fosco I've got to say that the server feels a bit slower to respond while I've been on for a short while

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