honestly the thing that perplexes me is how maple code and Linux systems in general are very congruent or similar, I don't know which word to use because I don't have my talking and or thinking properly meds atm but yeah, I just cant understand why it's taken me so long to realise I should be learning all of this

person I had intercourse with a few weeks ago pronounced Linux differently to me. but that's really the only relevance but it happens a lot that ive been saying a word wrong in my head all along so yeah its black jack odds there really

Is syscall numbering in the Linux kernel constant across old and new versions?

>/dev/chat <<<hello cat

@Jesse_b | curl -d - -X POST https://chat.stackexchange.com/users/300177/jesse-b

=)

I think awk is becoming my favorite language

It took me a long time to warm up to it, but it's nice

I'm still not very good with it but I'm starting to be able to get by

and we have a great repository of awk scripts right here! :)

Hi guys.

@Jesse_b Thank you for the discussion yesterday. It was quite helpful.

@FaheemMitha No worries mate

I see today it's Australian English.

"No worries" has always been one of my favorite expressions

Hakuna Matata! It's the worry free ... philosophy!

hah

I don't like markdown anymore

@Jesse_b You should try TeX. I'm sure you'll like it.

@FaheemMitha We are putting our operational SOPs into a github repo now in markdown format

It's not ideal for long SOPs :(

@Jesse_b SOP? Statement of Purpose?

@FaheemMitha Standard operating procedure

@Jesse_b Ah, right.

@Jesse_b What's the problem with it?

@FaheemMitha It's just not ideal. It's not as easy to use and browse as some other document applications

@Jesse_b Isn't Markdown just a markup language like TeX? Except, less elaborate.

I'm not sure what you mean by document application.

like an application made for creating documents

such as microsoft word, or web based application like google docs, confluence, etc

for certain things, guis are ideal...creating documents is one of those things

@Jesse_b Yes, but markup is written using a text editor.

Including Markdown.

yes but it is crap. You need a previewer to actually view the formatting instead of it just being part of the document

and there is too much manual work involved like linking to another part of the document

@Jesse_b You can trivially generate a PDF from Markdown.

I think some editors would let you do it directly from the editor, too.

It should certainly be possible in Emacs/Vim.

I don't want to generate anything. I want to make the document in place

@Jesse_b Well, markup doesn't work like that.

Writing in text is a feature, not a bug.

which is why I said it wasn't good

Just different.

different is often bad

Markup is a perfectly reasonable way to go. In many respects, it's preferable.

WYSIWYG is a very limited approach to typesetting.

And frequently dysfunctional.

Granted, markup is not for everyone. But it's odd to see someone who knows how to program arguing against it.

WYSIWYG has very low overhead, so it's popular.

I know how to kill a cow but I prefer to buy my meat already butchered

Not really comparable.

I think it is

But it's good that you are keeping an open mind.

Why would I ever do more work than is required. Someone has already made this task easier why would I not take the easy road

@Jesse_b That's very similar to the argument people make for Windows.

Which I agree with

Why on earth should I bother learning about my operating system?

@Jesse_b Ok...

I would never recommend linux for an inexperienced end-user OS.

See, I'll just click on this little button over here, and I'm sure good things will happen.

The people who wrote this operating system have my best interests at heart.

@Jesse_b Everyone is initially inexperienced.

And most people will remain inexperienced for their entire life because they have no desire to learn

@Jesse_b Well, if they don't want to learn, that's a different issue.

And not wanting to learn can change.

Most people have to use computers for work and have no desire to learn about the computer itself. They only want to know enough to do their job

Once I wasn't interested in computers either.

In fact most of them are not even interested in knowing how to do their job

@Jesse_b I know. Like I said, that can change.

And regardless, that doesn't make something like Windows a good choice. Merely expedient.

If that. It's a major security hazard because of the morons who created it.

I get a ton of spam every day. I bet much of it comes from infected Windows machines.

Meh I would argue linux is a bigger security hazard because there are far fewer applications for enterprise security management (mostly due to lack of enterprise use)

I briefly used MS Word in the 1990s, more or less concurrent with using LaTeX. Though my LaTeX use was very primitive. As was my Word use, probably.

I very quickly concluded that Word was undesirable.

@Jesse_b I don't think that is true at all. Now you're just being contrary.

I've got an email I wrote to a friend around 1999 which makes amusing reading even today.

About how I spent half a day trying to get some MS Word files from Mac to work on Windows. I think that was from pre OS X era.

Because LaTeX is text, if those files had been LaTeX, it would not have required doing anything.

But in 1999, nobody (except MS, I suppose), had any idea what was going on with Word under the hood.

Well microsoft office is severely crippled on mac as well

There should be a tag for "someone-should-definitely-get-paid-for-this"

These savages in my office ate up all the salt

I just had to cry on my sandwich to season it

@Jesse_b All the salt? Can't you buy more?

@FaheemMitha I would rather just berate my coworkers for being savages

They always leave the cabinets open in our break area too so it's possible that some thief took advantage of the open cabinets and walked off with all our salt

@Jesse_b I'd have thought a consumer society would have enough salt to go around.

@Jesse_b Just located and was reading that 1999 email I was telling you about.

One of the guys I work with eats and drinks everything. Sure it could be replaced but it would be better if he didn't consume so much

Avoid reading 20 year old correspondence. It's depressing.

@Jesse_b Free food?

@FaheemMitha Yeah when facebook reminds me of posts I made even 2-3 years ago I hate myself for making them lol

@FaheemMitha Yeah my office gets stocked up with various snacks and drinks about every two weeks. They would last the entire two weeks before this person started (and often longer) but now we are usually completely cleaned out of everything by the time we get restocked

@Jesse_b That wasn't quite what I meant, but ok.

@Jesse_b Well, it's nice they give you some free food.

@Jesse_b Still at work?

@FaheemMitha yeah

We found the salt

@Jesse_b Excellent. Where was it?

On the one guys desk I was talking about

So, what kind of food do you get for free?

@FaheemMitha Chips, beef jerky, candy, granola bars, microwavable junk

@Jesse_b Doesn't sound specially healthy.

Except for the granola bars, perhaps.

No vegetables or fruit?

Looks like we've got that dreadful bearded freak for another 4 years, or whatever it is.

Though I'm not paid much attention to the elections.

who?

and granola bars are basically just candy bars under the guise of being healthy

@Jesse_b Modi.

@Jesse_b I see. So not healthy either?

@FaheemMitha Naw they are loaded with sugar

@FaheemMitha never heard of her

@Jesse_b Him, not her. India's current Prime Minister. Nasty piece of work.

You're probably not aware that we just had elections.

@FaheemMitha I was not. I've also never heard of this Modi woman

@Jesse_b Again, man, not woman.

=)

Only a country of 1.3 billion people. No big deal.

@FaheemMitha At the risk of also being contrary, Windows 10 is supposed to be much better there. And M$ has been willing to do security improvements even that tick off users (e.g., forced updates). So I'm not sure that's really true anymore. Windows is even probably ahead in some areas (e.g., X11 is really permissive).

BTW — was sick earlier this week, got a cold. Managed to install that LVM-RAID system, it seems to work. Debian-Installer still doesn't support it. It blew up a few times too, but that may have also been a hardware issue once. Haven't worked it all out yet...

Hey Anthony. How are you doing?

@derobert Debian Installer still doesn't support what? LVM-RAID?

@derobert Yes, I think you're being contrary. As is well known, Microsoft is pure, distilled evil.

@FaheemMitha yep, doesn't support LVM-RAID. Not really a big deal, except that after creating the LV at the command prompt, installing grub hung.

@derobert Oh, you bypassed the installer and created the device manually?

Yep, same as has been required in all the previous installers.

That's not a huge deal, especially since convert from linear to raid probably works fine. So you could even do that once the system is booted.

@derobert You've tested LVM-RAID with previous installers?

errr.... didn't you read unix.stackexchange.com/questions/150644/… ...? I'd hope so, since you've edited it

@derobert I've forgotten. I don't have the best memory.

@derobert It looks like I added a missing apostrophe to your answer on 5th February 2015. Clearly, I am quite the Intrepid Editor.

But yes, I see some discussion of the Debian Installer in your answer.

So next week sometimes I should get back to that. Need to find some more of the tray blank panels to pull out the two remaining bad disks from that machine (the one I'm testing on).

That was on Jessie? It's been awhile.

@derobert Your hardware, or your employers hardware?

Employer's

BTW, not sure what Jesse has got against markup.

I'd expect such a reaction in some quarters, but not here.

@derobert Ok. Are you at work now?

Yeah, though about to head home

This will go into use a dev VM server (with LVM RAID) if it works out. Which looks pretty likely, actually.

@derobert You're going to use LVM-RAID in a production server? If so, is that brave?

Development server. Not production. Though it feels pretty mature, actually. Especially since its built on mdraid.

@derobert I don't follow. What's built on mdraid? The dev server?

LVM RAID

LVM RAID is built on mdraid? As in, based on it?

yes

"LVM-RAID is actually mdraid under the covers. It basically works by creating two logical volumes per RAID device (one for data, called "rimage"; one for metadata, called "rmeta"). It then passes those off to the existing mdraid drivers. So things like handling disk read errors, I/O load balancing, etc. should be fairly mature." — first paragraph of that answer...

@derobert Sorry, I guess I should have reread your answer.

I see I wrote that question in 2014. Going on for 5 years.

@Biswapriyo yes.