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3:07 AM

@StephenKitt Found it

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A: Mousepad not working in Lenovo Thinkpad

Interestingly enough, searching on variations of words of the bug, including Lenovo, Alps, and Ultranav, I found an article suggesting kernel parameters on the post in the Arch Linux wiki libinput Touchpad not detected at all Notes: Not a libinput issue. An explanation of the parameters ...

@Fabby

Interesting.

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4:08 AM

@ IporSirce This is a bug report.

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8:51 AM

Need to come up with a sysdev-like interview question, not too esoteric and related to working in the shell...

Strange, I seem to be experiencing memory problems with Chrome, but not Chromium. But aren't they basically the same program?

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10:31 AM

Ok, I came up with my interview questions... If they are smart, they'll come here looking for answers :-)

(it's two questions to be answered ahead of the actual face-to-face interview and the answers are submitted as links to secret GitHub Gists)

(so they will have time to write them up and test them properly)

10:45 AM

@FaheemMitha at your workplace or at home?

10:56 AM

@UTF-8 Work

Sorry, that was not a question for me.

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12:21 PM

@UTF-8 My home computer.

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1:31 PM

@FaheemMitha wow, okay. you seem to value a working internet connection a lot

@UTF-8 The connections here aren't exactly reliable.

They don't go out that often, but once gone, they can easily be gone for hours.

And yes, it's important to have a working connection. Or would you rather be cut off from the net for half a day?

1:49 PM

@FaheemMitha i've been cut off from the net apart from a mobile connection for hours or even days several times. not that big of a deal

@UTF-8 Oh. Doesn't it affect your work?

Or even, affect your life?

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3:55 PM

Hi @Kusalananda

I want to make a bootable USB on freeBSD. But I don't know how.

@FaheemMitha well, it does a bit. but i'm not that reliant on the internet. got wikipedia offline, for example. emacs and git work without an internet connection. if i need to text someone, the mobile connection can handle that

@UTF-8 Ah, ok. I am quite dependent on the net here.

4:19 PM

@FaheemMitha One of my major feats in my first ISP job was improving dramatically the uptime of the service. We are not used to Internet outages anymore.

I suppose it does depend on how reliable your net connection is.

If it's very reliable, then two connections are just a waste of money.

@RuiFRibeiro The reliability of my connection isn't bad, but it isn't great either.

@FaheemMitha Yep...two connections is usually only for mission critical objectives

It's poor enough to justify two connections.

@FaheemMitha I found it disgraceful.

find

And it's not super expensive. Both around USD 15. One slightly less.

@RuiFRibeiro Found/find what disgraceful?

4:21 PM

@FaheemMitha Having unreliable Internet....

@RuiFRibeiro Well, it's certainly frustrating and annoying.

Especially if you need to get work done.

I consult with people a lot on the net, look things up, and so forth.

@Kusalananda I did a very interesting challenge, actually 6 challenges in nov for a Malasyan firm

I can't do any of those things with a non-functional network.

@Kusalananda Nothing really out, out of ordinary but had some traps.

I think the question really is, how much is your time worth?

Because in a month, you could waste quite a lot of time if the network isn't working.

4:23 PM

@FaheemMitha Our cable connection rarelly is down. maybe 2-3 times every 6 years

@RuiFRibeiro For how long each time?

@FaheemMitha I also have mobile network if it goes down, but not the same bandwidht. I can spend 2GB every 2 weeks in mobile Internet at maximum, we spend around 300GB per month in cable and so far, nobody said us anything.

@FaheemMitha one morning both of the times....

@RuiFRibeiro So two mornings over 6 years of usage? So like 4-5 hours each time?

@FaheemMitha yeah

@RuiFRibeiro In that case, a second connection is redundant. It's much more unreliable here.

4:27 PM

@FaheemMitha Nevertheless, I have Internet in my work mobile number

@RuiFRibeiro So you can use it as a hot point if necessary? Or whatever the kids are calling it.

@FaheemMitha and the week I am on the rota call, I have also a Internet 4G USB pen with me.

mobile hub?

@FaheemMitha If my cable ISP is down, I can use my Android mobile as an AP for limited usage.

@RuiFRibeiro access point?

4:28 PM

@FaheemMitha yeah.

How much do you pay per month for your cable internet?

@FaheemMitha 29 Euros, for 100Mbps bidirectional and a ceiling of (I suspect) 500GB per month.

@RuiFRibeiro That's more expensive than here, but here the data is throttled.

Of my two lines, one is about 15USD, the other about 12USD.

@FaheemMitha I can spend less, but less quality and data too.

@RuiFRibeiro Sure.

4:31 PM

@FaheemMitha Pardon.

Here we don't have a lot of choice. One line is cable, the other DSL.

@FaheemMitha 29 Euros per 100Mbps/500GB data + 150 TV channels.

People keep talking about fiber and such-like, but it seems to be vaporware for now. At least for most people.

I am on fiber...

@RuiFRibeiro Ah, cable TV is included too?

4:32 PM

yeah.

I expect we'll get fiber eventually. But I don't particularly care.

I mean, I'm more concerned about reliability.

If we had fiber, it wouldn't be any more reliable.

@FaheemMitha I live in an European capital....so....

@RuiFRibeiro Right.

Actually the Internet situation has improved greatly here in recent years. It used to be really abysmal.

@FaheemMitha Reliability also says a lot about discipline and culture...

@FaheemMitha you have fibre?

4:34 PM

@RuiFRibeiro The services here are not too bad. Before I was using MTNL, which was spectacularly awful.

@PrabhjotSingh No.

3 mins ago, by Faheem Mitha

Here we don't have a lot of choice. One line is cable, the other DSL.

@FaheemMitha Yeah, but my ISP in Africa was probably more reliable than your connection. Not particularly good.

@FaheemMitha Then I can't even dream of that.

@RuiFRibeiro But I didn't quantify the reliability of my connection. :-)

@FaheemMitha true, true.

@PrabhjotSingh Can't even dream of what?

4:36 PM

@FaheemMitha I ran a serie of experiments with friends in the Phillipines, Cambodja and Maputo where I gave them VPNs to my home....

@FaheemMitha fibre?

The only reason MTNL still exists is that the govt keeps supporting it, though it loses a ton of money.

@PrabhjotSingh Oh.

@RuiFRibeiro For example, I came back to my computer yesterday afternoon to discover my (main) connection was down. So I switched to the other (backup) one. I'm still on the backup today. And this happens quite regularly. Nothing particularly unusual about it. Maybe once or twice a week (in a bad week) on average.

@FaheemMitha I see.

I suppose I could switch back the main one, which is faster. And has more data before throttling. It's unlimited, but after x GB the speed drops drastically.

@FaheemMitha So, it is not "unlimited"... 10 years ago I had a pen which after 3GB dropped to 128KBps...only good for chatting.

4:45 PM

@RuiFRibeiro Well, the low speed is still usable. I think these days it's like 2 megabits/sec down. Still usable, though not great. But my limits are high enough that I rarely hit them.

Unless there is some kind of accident or misconfiguration.

@FaheemMitha No stats from the ISP you can see?

I believe there is talk of having truly unlimited connections. But India is the kind of place where people would really abuse a net connection. Though these days, it's becoming less of an issue.

@FaheemMitha I do not now places with truly unilimited connections.

@RuiFRibeiro I think they do exist.

The US has historically had unlimited connections, though they aren't the fastest.

@FaheemMitha I have an unlimited connection

4:48 PM

@StephenKitt France, right?

@RuiFRibeiro There you go.

@FaheemMitha yes

@StephenKitt I also have an "unlimited" connection, and nobody cares if I spend 200-400GB per month. But I suspect if I spend somewhere between 600GB to 1TB for a couple of months, that I will have a friendly talk with someone...

@StephenKitt btw

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Q: Mousepad not working in Lenovo Thinkpad

I have had a strange problem here - the integrated synaptic mouse/the rubber mouse does not work in Linux. The integrated mouse/mousepad only works as long Windows has activated them firstly. I can do many reboots in Linux and they do keep working. They will be recognized as long the notebook ...

debian synaptic

@StephenKitt Have you seen it?

@RuiFRibeiro yeah I’m on 300GiB up and down approx per month effectively

@StephenKitt Ditto here.

but I know people who stream most of their waking hours without getting into trouble

@RuiFRibeiro I did, and upvoted ;-)

4:52 PM

@StephenKitt LOL ok

@RuiFRibeiro What kind of stats?

@StephenKitt I send an email to the linux guys, gmail was cut by anti-spam, my corporate mail blocked the email due to outbound policies LOL

@FaheemMitha Speed...how I could affect their quality of service...."My youtube now works!" ;)

@RuiFRibeiro haha fantastic

@StephenKitt You use 300GiB up as well as down? Is that a monthly average?

@FaheemMitha pretty much

4:55 PM

@RuiFRibeiro I don't understand what you mean.

@FaheemMitha offsite backups take a lot of bandwidth

@StephenKitt That's quite a lot. Particularly upstream.

@StephenKitt Even with deduplication?

What do you use for backup?

@FaheemMitha CrashPlan and hubiC

@FaheemMitha Well, their web browsing speed was vastly improved and youtibe started worked reliabily inside my VPN....

@FaheemMitha yes, even with (local) deduplication

4:57 PM

@StephenKitt Hmm. Sounds like a lot of data churn. Do you work with big datasets or something?

@StephenKitt But yeah, one more problem solved with the notebook. No more need to boot Windows lol

@FaheemMitha photos and videos

@StephenKitt Ah.

@RuiFRibeiro Still not following. You said something about ISP statistics?

@FaheemMitha remember I work from home too so all my work traffic counts too

@StephenKitt I see.

4:58 PM

video-conferencing, pushing build artifacts...

Between my two connections I can get around 300GBs. But I don't use anything like that.

@FaheemMitha I have a couple of white papers on routing and was at the time toying around with the idea of writing one of using VPNs to get around stupid local limitations and bad configurations.

@RuiFRibeiro How would one do that?

@FaheemMitha The fact both my 3 friends in 3 different 3rd world countries reported a much better service on VPN confirmed me it would be worthy pursuing that matter....

@RuiFRibeiro Interesting. How did it improve?

5:01 PM

It has got to do with evading proxies, bad DNSes and limitations on commercial tiers on the HTTP/HTTPS service....

via IPsec

@FaheemMitha wow, that's super cheap. didn't know that internet contracts are that cheap in the U.S. i pay more for my one unreliable connection than you do for both :D

@UTF-8 That's India, not the US.

their youtube, chat services started working reliabliy inside my VPN and web browsing much improve despite my being in the other side of the word at the distance of 300-500 ms latency...

35 € per month. that's 41 $ currently

well, have to entertain my daughter.

see you later on.

5:02 PM

@FaheemMitha ah, seems more plausible :D

It's a bit cheaper than the West. I'm not sure the differences are that great. This is Bombay, India.

@RuiFRibeiro Take care.

@RuiFRibeiro They were using your network? Wow.

@UTF-8 That's a bit more expensive, yes.

@FaheemMitha yep, a slow VPN on my Arm box....

LOL

@RuiFRibeiro That's funny.

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