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3:17 AM

@Kusalananda thanks, here also I found one another related unix.stackexchange.com/a/120806/72456

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4:38 AM

Can someone block muru after constantly violating terms of usage of this site as evident here?

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Q: What is command substitution in Bash (how bash command differs from $(command) or `command`)?

I'm using Ubuntu 16.04 with Bash and I tried to read in Wikipedia, in here and in here, but I failed to understand what is the meaning of "command substition" as "replacing a command with its output"- I asked myself "if I already ran a command and got output, what's there to substitute?" as in: ...

command-substitution

4:53 AM

@terdon this is not the first time I get heavily trolled and harassed by this user.

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6:57 AM

@user9303970 could you clarify how that illustrates violations of the terms of usage?

apart from the general “be nice” perhaps

I might be misreading but it seems to me you’re the one doing most of the accusing in that comment thread :-/

(and I understand that you’re both venting frustration in different ways)

7:09 AM

Looks like a perfectly useless argumentation from both side. Though IMHO I found some argument more convincing than others.

7:37 AM

@Kiwy I invite you to elaborate.

@user9303970 I won't elaborate. The only thing I will say is that I've upvoted more than one comment from more than one person on this particular question. Anyway you have a perfectly good answer to your question which was unclear in its early stage but now everything is for the best in the best of all possible worlds.

7:54 AM

@StephenKitt I find generally everything by muru as violating the be nice policy, based on evil interpretation of a question that I asked, in part, by my desire to help others also happen to have a hard time understanding the docs from whatever reason. As I replied to everything there, I leave it to the mods.

BTW, is @muru still around?

@FaheemMitha yep

Hey @muru. How's it going?

@FaheemMitha brief holiday going on

@muru Still in Japan, right?

How's the weather?

8:02 AM

@FaheemMitha In India till Saturday, so missing the comparatively pleasent weather of Japan

@muru Oh. Where are you staying?

@FaheemMitha Home, this time

@muru And where is that?

@FaheemMitha Near Bombay

@muru Oh. But not actually Bombay?

8:04 AM

Nope, but in the local train network.

@muru ok

Taking it easy, I suppose?

Not the best time to visit here. But you already know that.

Weatherwise, I mean.

Yep, but it's the Golden Week in Japan - string of public holidays - so easiest to visit during this time in terms of managing paid leave.

@muru I see.

How are you liking Japan? Pros/cons in short? And it is very busy?

@user9303970 now you're trolling aren't you ? all link to documentation you're refering too do not contains a single reference to the word substation even a search on google with the term "command substation" does return even at third page a result related to bash. So could you please try to use proper term so people might find your question and it might help someone one day.

Hi @Kiwy.

8:08 AM

@FaheemMitha waaaaaaaay cleaner and less dusty; practically no honking on the roads; much more orderly people.

I prefer Tokyo to practically any city in India.

Hi @FaheemMitha

@muru That's all a given. But I was thinking from a broader perspective.

I dunno. The local culture, including work culture. How friendly people are.

@Kiwy what link? I putted several links in the question, all, as I remember dealt with "command substitution".

@FaheemMitha I suppose. But I'd never lived in a place with so little honking before. It's practically a given that you'll be hearing car horns multiple times a day in any (sub)urban region in India.

@muru Of course. They love their horns here. But it's also quite unusual in most of the West. Ask anyone.

8:11 AM

@Kiwy I even edited the question to fix that, but @user9303970 restored the “substation” usage

I heard a horn this week.

Including but not limited to Canada, the US, Western Europe. Probably even Latin America.

@MichaelHomer Was it frightening? :-)

@StephenKitt I know i've seen

@FaheemMitha dunno; I have only had a single brief business trip to the US and the rest of the West is yet to be visited

@user9303970 you are currently using the term substation in your question which doesn't even relate to anything in bash. I quote :

"I failed to understand what is the meaning of "command substation" as in:"

8:12 AM

Mistake of fast typing.

Stephen had it replace and you restore it

@muru Semi-funny semi-anecdote. Many years ago, when I was in the US and trying to learn to drive, I blew my horn at someone who was crossing the road in front of me, on a pedestrian crossing. The pedestrian was probably not walking not very fast. And was told by the person sitting next to me (I think he was a grad student), that I wasn't in India now.

I fixed that thanks for noting.

Yep, on the rare occasions I drive, I have to curb my instinct to honk before turns.

@FaheemMitha it’s fairly common to hear horns where I live (nothing like India of course)

8:14 AM

@StephenKitt Oh? Near Paris, is it?

@FaheemMitha Lyon

Oh

people toot their horns if you take too long to start when the light turns green

@StephenKitt I know no place in Lyon sounding liek bombay or any town in india

or in any circumstance where they feel their rights have been violated

8:15 AM

you can hear some but it's mostly quiet

@Kiwy oh no, definitely not, which is why I said it’s nothing like India

@StephenKitt That's actually relatively common and relatively reasonable.

but @FaheemMitha was saying we never hear horns in the West

^That's the difference in Japan: anybody honking is highly likely to be an indicator of somebody doing something dangerous

After all, you could have fallen asleep. Or be having a fascinating conversation with someone.

8:15 AM

@FaheemMitha “too long” here means “a couple of seconds” which I don’t think is reasonable ;-)

@StephenKitt "But it's also quite unusual in most of the West."

Unusual, is, of course relative. I mean one might occasionally hear a horn.

@StephenKitt Yes, 2 seconds is too soon.

In Bombay, it's basically non-stop.

@FaheemMitha right, sorry, I was exaggerating

I don't get out much, so I don't know what it's like in the rest of India. But Bombay is fairly terrible.

@FaheemMitha yeah, Cairo is like that too, people basically drive with their hand on the horn

one hand on the horn, the other holding their phone

which makes steering interesting ;-)

Steering with the knees?

8:18 AM

but traffic is so slow there’s not much danger

@StephenKitt Clearly devotees of the art of safe driving.

I have had occasion to see that :/

@muru yup, so have I!

OK, everyone needs to relax and stop accusing each other of trolling. If you don't like a question, then downvote or ignore it and walk away. If you feel you're being attacked in comments, then do not engage but flag and walk away. — terdon ♦ 10 secs ago

In other words, stop behaving like children, both of you.

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@terdon You tell 'em.

8:20 AM

Wired, I felt I saved the edit but terdon preceded me it seems.

Meh, I added my downvote and close vote and left the thread behind some time ago.

@muru Leaving 8 useless and unpleasant comments does not qualify as "leaving the thread behind". Next time, try not commenting at all. That would be helpful.

Terdon I only replied to the accusations - I would never degrade any user and I've edited and actually saved tens if not hundreds of questions I found bad without one degrading comment. I know what is to be mocked when asking questions, in part from disiring to help others.

@user9303970 You also escalated and started throwing accusations. Next time, do not engage. Yes, you were accused first, but neither one of you came out shining from this interaction.

@terdon eh? Here we have a user going from "I fail to understand why would anyone want to", to " I've done that thousands of times". I'd say some of those comments might be useless, but not all. The links to their previous posts clearly are relevant.

8:27 AM

@muru That's what downvotes are for. Comments are for requesting clarification. Instead, you used your first one to accuse the OP of trolling. I am having a lot of trouble imagining how you could have thought that would be helpful.

@terdon, I cannot say for sure if there will be a next time and what will be its nature but I really hope muru will not reply to anything I wrote: Too many times have he tried to degrade me in similar ways.

I wondered how it makes sense to say "I fail to understand why would anyone want to", but then use it themselves, and felt that was worthy of clarification.

@muru Sadly, you chose to ask for this clarification in a very accusatory and confrontational way. Again. And user9303970 also chose to come back equally aggressively. Again.

If you two can't play nice with each other, stop playing together. Nobody forces you to answer or comment on any question you don't like. You clearly don't like this user's questions, so ignore them! You've tried commenting and it obviously doesn't work, so try a different approach and walk away.

@terdon ah, haven't I told you this before? I'd love to be able to ignore a user. But this user also has a tendency to perform multiple (usually useless - increased verbiage without increased clarity) edits to their questions, which means the posts keep getting bumped, at the expense of posts of actual use in the active page.

Now, I'd love to keep ignoring it, but when it keeps getting shoved on to the top of the active questions time and again, that's annoying.

@muru Then ignore them. It's easy: just don't click on it again.

8:36 AM

@muru You might like this Greasemonkey script.

At the very least, it will be easier to ignore if you don't leave comments making you pingable under them!

@MichaelHomer interesting, thanks!

@terdon you'll note that I take care never to edit their posts; so I can delete my comments and make unpingable.

Engaging with hostile people on the Internet rarely ends well. So don't start.

That's a good rule of thumb.

@muru So you don't try to improve the situation, just leave comments that you must know by now will be neither helpful nor well received. And this is a good thing?

@FaheemMitha have I ever been hostile to you? I don't recall any such event...

8:39 AM

I once basically left a SE Chat room, because one of the users (who basically seemed to live there) was a nutjob who would keep harassing me.

@user9303970 To tell the truth, I've no idea who you are. Sorry. If you want people to remember you/your nick, use something which isn't of the form user-number.

Maybe we've talked. If so, I don't remember. Again, sorry.

@terdon if their question was worth editing, I might have; but that's rarely the case. Usually it's either (a) obvious logical inconsistencies, or (b) made up code or something else they dreamed up, (c) something different from what they're actually running. It's rarely possible for edits to fix any of these.

I don't have the best memory, in any case. As anyone who knows me at all will tell you.

Thanks. We talked when I consulted you and derobert about a good caching mechanism for WordPress (after I told you I host at DigitalOcean for 5$).

@user9303970 When was that?

Oh, I seem to remember something from a few days ago. But if that was what I was thinking, I didn't contribute anything.

@muru Then click on a different question and go on with your day. The only thing you achieve by commenting is making a big deal out of nothing and getting both you and user9303970 all worked up. You've both done this in about a dozen questions or so by now. So enough!

8:42 AM

Yes you two where here and I asked and then I told you I found WP Super Cache.

We might be able to build up a nice buzzfeed article with all the drama happening in the chat room today...
Crispy !

If a user keeps asking bad questions they'll get question-blocked and it'll stop soon enough, that's the point of that system, so it's not really worth getting too worked up about.

@terdon If you consider a nonsensical question nothing, sure. Anyway, gotta go. Ping me, I'll respond later.

@MichaelHomer I believe they were blocked, but it expired and have started up again.

(gone)

@muru Have a nice rest-of-vacation.

@terdon You'd do well as a nursery school teacher. You've got the tone down.

@muru I consider a nonsensical question far less disruptive than what happens when you two engage in commenting with each other, yes.

@FaheemMitha Ugh :)

8:46 AM

:-)

I don't know where @Kusalananda gets the energy from. I think he must be more than one person. Perhaps triplets.

@FaheemMitha (sorry I can't attend to this comment right now, I'm in three different other locations)

@Kusalananda I rest my case.

@FaheemMitha I though Gilles was the only bot on the site, but indeed @Kusalananda is everywhere aswell

@Kiwy He certainly gets around.

@FaheemMitha Two, I think: Kusalan and A

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8:55 AM

@terdon Wow took me 5 seconds to understand, and then.... I understand and I realize that's a joke i could have done ... and I realize why my freinds are sick of my jokes :D

Yeah, dad jokes and I'm not even a dad!

Dad jokes, couldn't say anything better than that

9:49 AM

Wow! First time I've had one in my inbox for a while, a stock scam! It's nice to see the (spam) classics still live. Though the quality is lacking; sort of like comparing TV faking 20s-era silent film for an episode to The General. I mean, they failed to even give the ticker symbols they claim to have picked a year ago for 200% profit.

@derobert RHT maybe ;-)

Though they did do well enough to get -1.9 score (<1% spam chance) from the Bayes classifier, which is about as good as possible.

Hence why it got in the inbox, I suppose.

I have a question and I don't where to post it as it's partly related to linux and partly related to code

it would like that

I have a problem /proc/[PID]/io, or maybe the problem stand with my code I don't know.
I need to profile application IO that uses python library astropy.
One of the problem I have is that IO read/write total bytes are incorrect in /proc/[PID]/io.

I have a script `copy.sh` :

#!/bin/bash
cp huge.fits huge.2.fits
#python copy.py
#python copyfits.py
sleep 5
cat /proc/$$/io

I comment the `cp` line to and the line I want to run for each test.

`copy.py` contains:

import shutil
shutil.copy("huge.fits", "huge.2.fits")

@StephenKitt yeah, it's been a good year for them. Would have been a credible pick, too. Hope you're not going in to stock scamming :-)

would you recommand here or Stackoverflow ?

9:55 AM

@derobert heh heh

@Kiwy Errr.... one possibility — I stress this is without thinking about it — is the filesystem cache

@derobert no cache involve here, and cache should count in /proc/[PID]/io no ? I mean it still reads it, if system handle cache it doesnt mean it's not read. Also this can consistently be achieve on my system and I could change the fits file

Also I'm able to reproduce it consistently on several system

@Kiwy Hmmm, well, that's what I get from no thought. I wonder how mmap counts with I/O. That'd be my next guess, again with minimal effort. This does indeed seem to be a question that is hard to put on one site or the other.

I think you'd be fine here, especially since Python is a scripting language.

@Kiwy I’d say here because this is about kernel accounting, not Python specifics

IMO

@StephenKitt @derobert expect a futur question here then, I would be very curious about how cache and mmap could influence such a result and also why cp doesn't take advantage of it

10:03 AM

@Kiwy cp doesn't because mmap is unlikely to be faster. (Especially for a simple copy!) But it can sure be easier, if you've got a 64-bit system. It makes the kernel figure out how to page in and out sections of a potentially large file to give you random access.

I would not be surprised if the I/O counters do not count pageins/pageouts. That's a good question for the site (if we don't already have it)

@Kiwy docs.astropy.org/en/stable/io/fits/appendix/… says it uses mmap by default; so (presuming you have enough memory!) you could pass memmap=False to see if that changes the results ( docs.astropy.org/en/stable/io/fits/appendix/… says it uses mmap by default; so ). And then you might be able to answer your own question.

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11:34 AM

Ah, SuperUser's newsletter has come out. With gems like What does it means? 256⁴ that is 256x256x256x256 possibilities, a really really big number. This answer

12:11 PM

@derobert I've already tried with mmap false no luck so far, I will do a little more testing and post it on the site. Thank you

12:35 PM

This is one of the more unlikely things I've seen on Youtube.

Yes, that's an actual live scorpion, with babies, being held in a human's hand.

Though someone who can do that might actually belong to a different subspeces of human. homo sine timore, perhaps.

:D homo sine timore like that one

> this is an emperor scorpion although one of the baddest looking, these are probably one of the most docile, and really won't sting you unless you squeeze them or something. and even then their sting is pretty much like a bee sting.

Apparently so, according to WP:

Emperor scorpion

The emperor scorpion, Pandinus imperator, is a species of scorpion native to rainforests and savannas in West Africa. It is one of the largest scorpions in the world and lives for 6–8 years. Its body is black, but like other scorpions it glows pastel green or blue under ultraviolet light. It is a popular species in the pet trade, and is protected by CITES. == Description == The emperor scorpion (Pandinus imperator) is one of the largest species of scorpion in the world, with adults averaging about 20 centimetres (7.9 in) in length and a weight of 30 g. However, some species of forest scorpions...

> They are known for their docile behavior and almost harmless sting; they do not use their sting to defend themselves when they are adults, however, they may use it in their adolescent stages. They prefer to use their pincers to crush and dismember their prey, their exoskeleton is very sclerotic, causing them to have a metallic greenish black color.

@terdon Yes, but would you hold one in the palm of your hand?

I'd rather be a forest than holding it

I might, if there were very very good reasons to do so. (These reasons are very hypothetical/theoretical). Otherwise no.

12:49 PM

if I could I surely would :D

@Kiwy Hmm?

If someone explained the details to me, maybe. Not something I'd relish, mind you, but I might.

It would probably be good practice if you were trying to do things that terrify you.

@FaheemMitha I was refering to el condor passa by simun & garfunkel a really funny song IMO

That can be a useful exercise sometimes. As long as what you are doing isn't actually dangerous.

E.g. talking to women is frequently terrifying, but not actually dangerous.

Well, I suppose it might depend to some extent on the woman.

@Kiwy I know Simon & Garfunkel, but I've not heard of that song.

12:53 PM

it's a very famous one not original though as it is a traditional peruvian song that many pop singers have song

I see.

Catchy. I think I've heard it before. Possibly even in S&G.

Sounds very similar to "Sound of Silence". Was this song in "The Graduate"?

Don't think so

"The Graduate" has one of the more haunting soundtracks around, largely due to S&G.

"Sound of Silence" is basically impossible to forget. In my opinion, of course.

I agree, Mr Robinson as well and Scarborough fair too

I felt in love with those three song

long time ago, I've never seen the movie though

@Kiwy You haven't??!!

Wow, that's one of those things you assume everyone has watched.

But I suppose there are lots of movies.

1:05 PM

I don't know that I've seen it either.

Maybe I did, back in the day, but I don't remember it much.

If you do watch it, be warned. It's not the most upbeat piece in the world.

But like its soundtrack, it's basically impossible to forget.

Though of course, having one of the best soundtracks in cinematic history doesn't actually hurt.

1:23 PM

@Kiwy It would set i to 1 2 3 4 5 and run the loop exactly one iteration.

1:35 PM

@Kusalananda I've understood my mistake but I like this comment finally because as the OP doesn't explain what he wanted to do this could work also :D

2:22 PM

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Q: Why memmap IO are ignored in /proc/[PID]/io

I have a problem /proc/[PID]/io and memmap I need to profile application IO that uses python library astropy. One of the problem I have is that IO read/write total bytes are incorrect in /proc/[PID]/io. I have a script copy.sh : #!/bin/bash cp huge.fits huge.2.fits #python copyfits.py #python c...

It was a hard to write in a readable way :D

2:40 PM

Anyone else having problems with the title bar menu buttons? When I click on them they bring me to a new page for that item instead of creating the drop-down menu

@Jesse_b Just noticed that myself.

it works on just stackexchange.com

They work on the page that you are taken to though.

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4:03 PM

Everyone is sooo careful about not wanting to write to their SSDs (there's a swap-on-SSD question on the main page now). Has anyone actually seen an SSD fail due to too many writes? I'm using an SSD on my laptop, and a CF card in a router, and I haven't yet had any problems. The laptop is two years old and under "normal every-day workload" while the router has been running for 6+ years with no issues (it's running a general purpose OpenBSD installation, not a router-speific thing).

@Kusalananda It's quite hard to do it. You might have seen that guy who did stress-testing.

I mean, that article about stress testing.

A sort of SSD death march, it was.

@FaheemMitha No, haven't seen that. I've been pleasantly ignorant of hardware issues in general, but I just got this feeling that some people are making their lives difficult for not much gain. I mean, some go and buy new computers every 2-3 years or so when the next model comes along, and these people would presumably have to punish their SSDs quite heavily for them to develop any signs of wear in that time frame.

@Kusalananda Anyway the take-home message was that you had to try really, really hard to finish off an SSD.

It's an amusing read, and probably easy to find.

But I could find the link if you want.

4:18 PM

@FaheemMitha This one? techreport.com/review/27909/…

@Kusalananda Yes, that's the one.

I guess there aren't a lot of SSD death marches around.

The last survivor lasted 2.4PB. I think that's quite a lot of bytes

That's the Samsung 840 Pro.

@FaheemMitha So, they last for 0.8 to 2.4 PB. I don't think I've ever had to do that amount of writing to a private disk...

@Kusalananda I've never checked by disk usage, but I think that's a lot of writing. And possibly reading. Does reading count?

No, only writing.

I see that article is actually the first hit for "SSD Death March".

4:26 PM

I checked one of my magnetic disks in my desktop at home, shows:

241 Total_LBAs_Written ------ 100 253 000 - 59589032249
242 Total_LBAs_Read ------ 100 253 000 - 398988169433

So if that's using the 512 logical sectors, that's 27PB; if the 4K physical sectors, 221PB... Which is somewhat amazing...

Wait, no, I think I did my math wrong. That'd be TB, not PB.

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5:31 PM

Folks, any comments?

@FaheemMitha similar to @Barry I suggest using pgrep -a apt instead. — Pablo Bianchi 2 mins ago

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8:11 PM

Good SO blog post about SO and hostility/kindness: stackoverflow.blog/2018/04/26/…

I don't spend much time on SO but I have to say U&L certainly doesn't descriminate against women, if anything I have found the opposite

If a man or anon posts a "dumb" question it will be called out and likely closed quickly but if a new woman posts one it will get a ton of answers quickly

@Jesse_b Well, isn't that discrimination? ;-)

@Kusalananda Touche

No, honestly, I can't say anything about discrimination. I'm not discriminated against, that's all that I can say.

Yeah I agree that SO is a hostile place but I wouldn't have guessed people get discriminated against either

Then again we are probably two of the whitest males you could come across :-P

8:16 PM

Likely.

Well, I hope we don't have that here, and I hope that if it happens, that it's not me doing it. These things are tricky.

huh, an old friend on FaceBook just said the rear end of their train arrived at the wrong platform at King's Cross station in London...

... and that the floor was clean. Because he had a good look at it, close up.

I'm confused

I'm tired

Just in, best question title today: Accidently deleted my harddisk multiple times and some more mistakes

8:33 PM

@Kusalananda as if other mistakes might be significant

Cross-post here and here

@Kusalananda yeah, and he's now wanting to rally everyone on AU and Linux to help him with the undelete...

@StephenKitt What's your take on the Moglen suing the SFC thing? And any idea what Debian as a whole thinks of it?

@cas Same question to you.

I'm not actually sure what the situation is at the moment.

@FaheemMitha my uninformed take is that it’s a pretty nasty move

Debian as a whole never thinks anything ;-)

@StephenKitt I think we can agree on that.

@StephenKitt Come now. On occasion, there is some degree of concensus.

Remember you have to agree to stuff when joining? Free Software good, that kind of thing?

@FaheemMitha yes indeed, but even that is subject to varying interpretations when you get down to details

8:39 PM

@StephenKitt True.

I just wondered what the talk of the town was, so to speak.

Presumably you talk to other DDs occasionally, even if only at meetups and so forth.

but I get what you mean, and yes, there is a degree of consensus on many topics, usually with a silent majority

@FaheemMitha there isn’t much talk about it really

there are few parties privy to actual details so there’s not much to go on

@StephenKitt Oh. I guess it doesn't have the word systemd in it.

@FaheemMitha I would say the same about that too, most DDs didn’t say much — there was a huge amount of noise but it came from a small number of people

@StephenKitt True. Someone should get Kuhn to talk. I bet he knows what's going on.

and yes, we did discuss it at length at DebConf13 but even then that was a small proportion of the ~1000 DDs

8:41 PM

@StephenKitt A lot of noise.

@StephenKitt Discuss what? systemd?

@FaheemMitha and he probably can’t say much about it...

@FaheemMitha yes

@StephenKitt Maybe if he was tied up and had his toes tickled with feathers.

Anyway, it's all very unfortunate. I wonder what happened to Eben Moglen?

Did he discover he needed to pay his kids college tuition, and realised he didn't have enough money? Did he get a mistress?

@FaheemMitha many people wonder that...

I saw him talk at UNC in 2001.

It was quite impressive. I stood up and asked him some questions. I remember I wasn't in a great mood that day. But he was very polite.

It looks like the current status is here - ttabvue.uspto.gov/ttabvue/v?pno=92066968&pty=CAN&eno=9

@FaheemMitha right, a few changes since sfconservancy.org/blog/2017/dec/30/quick-update-trademark

in particular, the motion to suspend was denied today

8:48 PM

@FaheemMitha Wow, you're good!

@StephenKitt Do you know what that means? Motion to suspend?

@Fabby Kuhn linked it from his blog.

@FaheemMitha :D You shouldn't have said that but instead:

@FaheemMitha not in detail

Oh, and hi @Fabby. How's it going?

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@FaheemMitha On holiday: another week to go...

How are you doing?

8:51 PM

@Fabby I've been better. Dealing with crazy stuff here.

Well, trying to deal would be more accurate.

:D (sorry, but that made me LOL as it reminds me of my job.)

@StephenKitt SFC has been trying to get the court to throw the case out.

I gather that hasn't happened. At least, not yet.

@FaheemMitha yes

@FaheemMitha I hope it's job-related and not personal crazy stuff.

Then again, a US court probably does not give a crap that two Free Software entities are having a pointless destructive fight.

@Fabby Well, neither, as such. It's sort of to do with family property.

8:54 PM

@FaheemMitha Ouch!!! :-(

@Fabby Probably not what you think, though. It's stranger than that.

@FaheemMitha No court in the world does give a damn about justice. They only care about the law

@Fabby That might be true. I hope it isn't.

@FaheemMitha Well, I've been to court once... Hope to never have to do it again.

@Fabby Nasty business, I'm sure.

8:55 PM

@FaheemMitha Lady justice is not for nothing always depicted with a blindfold.

@Fabby Yes, I know.

@FaheemMitha Meh, unlawful dismissal.

@Fabby So your case ended badly?

Whatever it was.

I got fired for gross misconduct because I worked for 12.5 years for the company when they dismissed me and they would have had to pay 12.5 months of salary...

Gross misconduct does not have to be proven during the dismissal though

and 50% of people settle on the spot as they don't want the blemish on their record.

@Fabby How horrible.

So what happened?

If you don't mind my asking.

8:59 PM

I took'em to court.

Won

they appealed.

won again.

took 2.5 years.

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