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Braiam

12:38 AM

@gilles you were pushing this in MSE meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/256808/…

Braiam

4:40 AM

this is just freaking weird askubuntu.com/q/466141/169736

Faheem Mitha

4:06 PM

Dammit, I just got a security update on debian stable for chromium-browser, and now audio in flash is misbehaving. I'm getting an echoey kind of thing. Maybe my sound card. Anybody have any ideas?

Maybe I should try going back to the previous version.

Avinash Raj

where did i get the saved chat bookmarks?

Rojo

4:20 PM

Hello people

Avinash Raj

Hi

Rojo

@AvinashRaj Alo

Faheem Mitha

Hmm, downgrading makes the problem disappear.

Rojo

I've been fighting for an hour to mount a disk. I have narrowed it down but still fail. I'm still in the fight. Let me know if anyone has a clue. The current situation is:

External drive connected through esata. I've located that it is /dev/sde

Faheem Mitha

@Rojo Maybe ask a question?

Rojo

4:27 PM

When I don fdisk -l /dev/sde, I get a /dev/sde1, with system HPFS?NTFS/exFAT

@FaheemMitha But the problem has been evolving for an hour. I'll ask if it gets steady :P

When I try to mount sde1 it says it is not a block device

(and when I try to mount sde, it says "unknown filesystem type 'isw_raid_member')

On windows it works. Some soft on Windows told me something about the drive being "software RAID" (itś a single drive, weird)

Avinash Raj

@mikeserv i need your help.

Rojo

@FaheemMitha There's nothing better than explaining a question to find the answer

Faheem Mitha

@Rojo That's a common issue. What is your command line?

The mount command, I mean.

A question that simple can reasonably be asked here, I think.

Rojo

Which of all of them?
mount /dev/sde1 /mnt/tmp is what tells me it is not a block device

as root

Faheem Mitha

@Rojo yeah, you need to specify the filesystem probably.

Paste the actual error message please

Rojo

4:34 PM

mount: /dev/sde1 is not a block device

Faheem Mitha

@Rojo Ok.

Rojo

I am confused about the software raid, and googling

Faheem Mitha

Try -t ntfs

Rojo

@FaheemMitha Tried

The error is:

Faheem Mitha

Ok, what is the filesystem actually, to your knowledge?

Rojo

4:37 PM

@FaheemMitha Can't say for sure without going back to Windows (takes some time)

Error opening '/dev/sde1': No such device or address
Failed to mount '/dev/sde1': No such device or address
Either the device is missing or it's powered down, or you have
SoftRAID hardware and must use an activated, different device under
/dev/mapper/, (e.g. /dev/mapper/nvidia_eahaabcc1) to mount NTFS.
Please see the 'dmraid' documentation for help.

@FaheemMitha I'm trying stuff with dmraid now

Trying to activate it, whatever that means, because it's not in /dev/mapper

Faheem Mitha

what does fdisk -l /dev/sde1 say?

Are you using software raid? What is your structure?

What does vgscan say?

Rojo

@FaheemMitha That it cannot open, no such device. But if I write /dev/sde instead, it gives what I said before. under filesystem of the sde1 partition, it ssays HPFS/NTFS/exFAT

@FaheemMitha I am using raid for several disks, but not for that one. It's just an external esata loner. At least, I didn't know I was using raid for that one, and I didn't know raid made sense for a single disk

@FaheemMitha Didn't try vgscan yet (first time I hear that command)

Faheem Mitha

@Rojo or vgs

Rojo

@FaheemMitha 1 second, i ĺl try somethign with dmraid and post back

Faheem Mitha

@Rojo so how was this device constructed? is it a Windows thing?

Rojo

4:41 PM

@FaheemMitha Windows. I plugged it in to my esata and formatted I guess. I don't really remember, it was ages ago. It's an old drive

just
VG #PV #LV #SN Attr VSize VFree
fedora 1 3 0 wz--n- 126.66g 0

mikeserv

4:56 PM

What's up @AvinashRaj?

Rojo

@FaheemMitha Went to Windows and yes, it's NTFS

Faheem Mitha

5:24 PM

@Rojo sorry, disappeared for a bit there. trying to fix some chromium browser sound problems.

fdisk -l /dev/sde ?

Rojo

@FaheemMitha It's ok. Since I rebooted to win my PC won't boot back. I'm waiting for it to cool down

Faheem Mitha

@Rojo Is it an old machine?

Rojo

Laptop here

Faheem Mitha

I downgraded chromium, but still noise problems. Bummer.

Rojo

@FaheemMitha Don't know exactly, must be around 6-7 year

Faheem Mitha

5:26 PM

That's old for a laptop

I might disappear again. Still trying to fix frigging Chromium.

@Rojo what is ntfs, /dev/sde?

What is /dev/sde1?

Rojo

@FaheemMitha Now Iḿ on a laptop, because my PC doesn't boot. So I cannot try stuff

Faheem Mitha

@Rojo Ah, Ok. sorry.

The PC is overheating? Not the laptop?

mikeserv

5:56 PM

@Rojo - try finding more info about your disk with either lsblk, blkid, findmnt, or blockdev. For info of a more physical nature maybe smartctl and/or hdparm.

Faheem Mitha

6:15 PM

Back again. Still struggling with the audio issue.

mikeserv

6:27 PM

@FaheemMitha - yeah, flash audio broke for me too the other day.

Yesterday I did two things - not sure which fixed it.

But I updated Chrome again - I'm on the beta channel.

Faheem Mitha

@mikeserv distribution? this is for youtube, with debian wheezy and chromium. and i think i'm using html5 too, but the flash plugin is still running.

there seem to be other people having this problem over the last couple of years. it really makes me feel better to know i'm not alone.

mikeserv

You're not using html5 by default without a plugin for most youtube channels.

Faheem Mitha

@mikeserv the problem manifested itself on a security upgrade. 34 -> 35

mikeserv

But the HTML5 for youtube extension will make that a lot easier to handle.

Faheem Mitha

i was using the pepper plugin but removed that.

mikeserv

6:29 PM

And you'll know for sure there will be a little 5 icon under each video that is red for webm/mp4 and grey for flash.

Faheem Mitha

unfortunately debian has taken to upgrading chromium instead of backporting stuff. can't really blame them - backporting is hard.

mikeserv

I highly recommend it.

Braiam

Chromium doesn't work at all with the NPAPI plugins

Faheem Mitha

@mikeserv Sorry, highly recommend the html5 plugin?

mikeserv

Right - not since aura.

Yes.

Faheem Mitha

6:30 PM

this is available for chromium?

Ok, what does it do?

mikeserv

Sure.

Faheem Mitha

aura?

mikeserv

It just automatically selects HTML5 video whenever possible if you set it do so.

Yeah - it's Chrome's built-in display manager.

It went live with linux on version 35.

Faheem Mitha

@mikeserv ok. i thought youtube had a setting to do that by default.

@mikeserv ok

mikeserv

Maybe, I dunno, but if so their ads would likely still come in flash.

Faheem Mitha

6:32 PM

i'm not clear about this. you are saying installing an extension will make the problem go away?

mikeserv

I'm saying that using the extension will obviate the problem.

But it did go away for me yesterday, though I'm not sure why.

I did upgrade chrome yesterday again.

I used the extension when it wasn't working before and it was easy.

Anyway,

Faheem Mitha

@mikeserv ok. but based on right-clicking on the youtube video gives me a display which shows html5.

mikeserv

It probably does - but it would load through flash, right?

I only know that flash sound didn't work on youtube last week - but using the HTML5 for youtube plugin did.

Faheem Mitha

@mikeserv dunno. anyway, installed the plugin. do i need to enable it?

Rojo

@mikeserv Those are nice commands

mikeserv

6:35 PM

Maybe - also set it to use html5 by default and you'll want to definitely enable it to remember volume settings.

@Rojo - indeed.

Faheem Mitha

@mikeserv ok, it looks different now.

Trying it out now.

@mikeserv Did that.

@mikeserv to be clear, does this extension toss flash out of the window? if so, that is all good.

mikeserv

In every case that it can, yes.

Faheem Mitha

@Rojo what is the status with your mount issue?

@mikeserv Good. I hate frigging flash.

Rojo

@FaheemMitha I'm resuming it now, with my PC on. It's the same as before.

mikeserv

@FaheemMitha - ditto that.

What is the problem, @Rojo?

Faheem Mitha

6:41 PM

@Rojo ok. paste your command outputs here.

Rojo

@mikeserv I have an esata drive that works fine on windows. I just installed linux and I am having a hard time mounting it

I found it's /dev/sde

mikeserv

What do you get out of lsblk first, if you can?

Rojo

which fdisk tells me has a sde1 partition, of system HPFS/NTFS/exFAT. Windows says it's NTFS too

@mikeserv Sure, 1 second

Faheem Mitha

@mikeserv so if youtube cannot use html5, and has to use flash, will the same audio problem recur?

Rojo

@mikeserv it gets listd alone, as type disk

Its line says sde 8:64 0 465.8G 0 disk

mikeserv

6:43 PM

@FaheemMitha - I think so, yes. But it's a rare thing, at least for me.

I think it would have to be a very old upload in order to that to occur, but that's only a hunch.

Faheem Mitha

@mikeserv ok. looking forward to less flash in my life.

Rojo

So, when I try to mount /dev/sde1 /mnt/tmp I guet that device does not exist. Earlier I got a different message. Something about it being software raid

mikeserv

So - no sde1? Only sde?

Rojo

@mikeserv Yes

Only sde

mikeserv

Ahh.

Faheem Mitha

6:45 PM

Then try to mount sde.

mikeserv

So, are you currently booted in UEFI mode or not?

Rojo

@FaheemMitha Same error as earlier when mounting sde: unknown filesystem type 'isw_raid_member'

mikeserv

And is it a GPT or is it mbr?

Faheem Mitha

@Rojo what do you pass to the -t flag?

Rojo

@mikeserv Give me a minute to google all that so I can answer :P

@FaheemMitha Nothing now, but I have posted earlier the outputs with -t ntfs

mikeserv

6:46 PM

Either you're running with an efi system partition - usually at sda1 - or you have an mbr grub install of some kind.

Which isn't to say that you couldn't do a grub install with uefi, but it would be on a FAT formatted efi system partition.

Rojo

@mikeserv I'm reading up, but if you have a fast way of knowing let me know. My disks are quite a mess

but not this one. This is a lone outsider

@mikeserv My motherboard does RAID, so I have 3 disks which are partly in raid 0 and partly in raid 5

mikeserv

In any case, I'm only curious because the only time I've ever had the same experience was when trying to read a large GPT-formatted disk while booted in BIOS mode.

Rojo

but

this is not the disk I want to mount

Faheem Mitha

@Rojo try sde with the -t ntfs flag.

mikeserv

An easy way to tell...

Rojo

6:49 PM

@FaheemMitha Says it doesn't have a alid NTFS

mikeserv

Ok - do gdisk /dev/sde

Faheem Mitha

@Rojo hmm.

mikeserv

Don't press the w key while looking at it.

Rojo

@mikeserv It can't find /dev/sde1

mikeserv

Sorry. Edited.

Rojo

6:50 PM

(it could earlier before rebooting :S)

mikeserv

Use p for a partition layout and i [num] for each partition it lists.

But the very first thing it will tell you is whether it is an mbr or gpt formatted disk,

Rojo

@mikeserv gdisk /dev/sde output MBR only. BSD, APM and GPT not present

Fouri invalid GPT and valid MBR, converting MBR to GPT format in memory. This operation is potentially destructive! blabla

It only lists one partition. For that one, i 1 gives

stuff

Anything in particular is relevant? Partition GUID code, unique GUID, sectors, size, attribute flags.

Partition name: 'Microsoft basic data'

mikeserv

There you go.

It's your GPT table.

Now - that may not be the case, actually.

I think it's possibly ok except that you're currently in BIOS mode.

I dunno if that's true, but I do know it's easy to test.

Boot any live disk in UEFI and have a look at it.

Rojo

@mikeserv I have the fedora cd, and my Windows partitiion to boot to (where the disk works). Any of those work to test your idea?

mikeserv

Fedora would be better, as long as it contains gdisk. Though even without just a chroot to your current disk would work too.

Actually, maybe I have that backwards - I suspect you are in UEFI mode.

I'm trying to sort it in my head without actually testing any of it, but I'll try to explain my thinking...

Faheem Mitha

7:09 PM

@mikeserv have you figured out what is the going on with the mount thing?

@Rojo it sounds non-trivial enough for a question, imo

mikeserv

Anyway, you can tell if you're booted in UEFI mode by running efivar -l

If you get any output at all it's UEFI.

Faheem Mitha

i've seen a lot about uefi, but i don't know what it is.

mikeserv

@FaheemMitha - I think he's got a disk that was formatted with GPT at one point then reformatted with mbr partitions.

Faheem Mitha

@mikeserv And that is bad?

mikeserv

It's a new semi-standardized firmware architecture - Universal Extensible Firmware Iforget

Well, BIOS systems will ignore any GPT data there - so no, if you're booted in BIOS mode.

But a malformed GPT table should cause problems on a UEFI system - because it can see that the table is screwed up.

Faheem Mitha

7:13 PM

@mikeserv i don't know what that means, but ok

mikeserv

Interface I think is the I, actually.

Rojo

@FaheemMitha Yes, sounds like a question probably worth posting

mikeserv

BIOS has a lot of limitations due mostly to its original 16-bit design.

Rojo

@mikeserv I'm trying to download soem package with efivar

Faheem Mitha

@mikeserv still sporadically having sound problems even with html5.

i think there may be something more general going on. for example the notification sound on this chat has changed.

@mikeserv so this uefi thing is an extension of that?

mikeserv

7:16 PM

Really? Then... I dunno. Bummer. It did work for me, so... sorry.

It's gotta be aura. Can you try switching to the beta channel? Maybe in a chroot or something?

Faheem Mitha

@mikeserv No problem. The html5 extn does improve things.

@mikeserv i don't know what "beta channel" means.

mikeserv

You can get it in a .deb from google.com/chrome I think.

Faheem Mitha

@mikeserv Oh. So not chromium then?

Rojo

@mikeserv Hehe, I haven't dared to avoid yum or rpm yet :P. I found one for fedora 21. I wonder if it'll work

mikeserv

Um, well, it is with pepper flash, pdf something and a couple other things.

I'm sure there's a deb or ppa for chromium beta channel too.

Faheem Mitha

7:20 PM

@mikeserv ok.

mikeserv

But basically chrome/chromium come in 4 release channels - stable/beta/canary/dev

Rojo

No, requires stuff

Faheem Mitha

Are you saying that future versions of chromium won't have this problem? what is this aura thing?

@mikeserv ok

mikeserv

Aura is a built-in display manager for chrome. It's very cool, though you won't notice except that it will fuck up your fonts, probably.

It's a major part of the + in the phrase "ChromeOS is basically just chrome + a few other things".

Faheem Mitha

@mikeserv and it is new in 35?

Rojo

7:23 PM

@mikeserv From a quesiton on askubunto, if /sys/firmware/efi doesn't exist, I booted in BIOS. It doesn't exist

mikeserv

It is new to linux in 35.

Been the default for Win8 in that crazy metro mode since 29 I think.,

@Rojo - Yup. Most probably.

That's as sure as my thing - except it's still not totally sure.

efivar reads that pseudo-fs, but that pseudo-fs is mounted by the efivar module and the pseudo-fs itself can be disabled even in UEFI mode.

Faheem Mitha

@mikeserv ok. so this may be causing the audio problem? except i downgraded to 34

mikeserv

Um, then I dunno.

I thought the npapi/aura things were the contraindicators, but maybe not.

Faheem Mitha

@mikeserv yes, these things are a pain. i see tons of reports over the last couple of years, but nobody seems to know what is going on.

maybe i should try firefox

mikeserv

I know npapi has been deprecated for some time - and support was fully removed a couple of months ago.

Probably debian pulled it in the security update because npapi is crazy insecure - like activex, almost.

Faheem Mitha

7:28 PM

@mikeserv npapi is some flash thing?

mikeserv

And if google won't get behind it then they sure as hell won't.

Yeah - it's a kind of low-level device access.

Mostly good for drm.

Faheem Mitha

oh, that's the third party flash plugin

mikeserv

What do you get in chromium://plugins?

Faheem Mitha

7:41 PM

@mikeserv Adobe Flash Player - Version: 11.2 r202
Shockwave Flash 11.2 r202

i guess that is the third party one. i had pepper installed. i removed it.

incidentally, stopping and restarting the video can trigger the problem.

btw, that is chrome://plugins.

Faheem Mitha

8:23 PM

@mikeserv i tried killing pulseaudio. that seemed to help

per

I was able to fix this problem by doing killall pulseaudio and rm -r ~/.pulse* rather than the entire reinstallation command linked to by gorlum0. (I tried messing with about:plugins first, but it didn't completely work.) — nkorth Dec 1 '12 at 18:51

casey

pulse audio is great when it works, but not so much when it fails

my favorite is when some program causes it to start giving all new output feeds to my video cards hdmi audio, even though I've disabled it, and I have to go into pavucontrol and manually assign the streams back to the proper device to make it work again.

at least pavucontrol exists...

Braiam

@casey PA is the source of many headaches for me...

for some reason my front mic doesn't work and pulse swears it sends audio to only my headphones when it does for the speakers and headphones, at the same time...

casey

@Braiam my headaches stopped when I figured out its quirks and the programs I need to fix them. I shouldn't have to screw with it though...

It was easier when I ran analog audio from the mobo. It would switch to headphones and back no problem. Now I run digital to a receiver and switching to headphone/mic on the front panel usually requires manual intervention to make work. I can usually do it in KDE's audio config.

Faheem Mitha

8:40 PM

@casey could pulseaudio be causing audio problems with youtube videos in chromium?

casey

@FaheemMitha it could if the streams are being assigned to the wrong device

Faheem Mitha

@casey and one could determine that by running a frontend like pavucontrol?

casey

@FaheemMitha run pavucontrol while you have chrome playing audio and you can inspect what is going on any possibly fix it

Faheem Mitha

@casey ok

casey

you should see chromium in the playback tab. That lets you know it is connecting to PA properly

Faheem Mitha

8:46 PM

@casey yes, it just says chromium

Well, chromium playback

casey

does pavucontrol show your output device properly?

Faheem Mitha

@casey dunno. what should it show?

I see

SB Live EMU10k1 Analog Stereo

Port Analog Output / Amplifier

casey

you should see whatever your sound device is called

I'll post a shot of mine, one sec

configuration tab:

output tab:

my setup is using the "Built-in Audio Digital Stereo (IEC958)" and the "Digital Out S/PDIF" port on that profile

the config tab is where you pick the profile you want

and the output tab picks the port on that profile

intuitive!

Compiling chromium increases the temperature of my office by 2 or 3 degrees.

great in the never-ending michigan winters, but not so much in the warm season

Faheem Mitha

9:11 PM

@casey my current profile is Analog Stereo Duplex. But there are a bunch of other choices. How do I know what to use?

@casey Why are you compiling chromium?

It sounds like pulseaudio is unavoidable. Is that correct?

casey

@FaheemMitha that should probably work.

@FaheemMitha updating to chromium 36 (and I'm on gentoo)

Faheem Mitha

@casey Why?

Right, I remember you use gentoo. Haven't seen you around here much recently. I hope you are doing Ok.

casey

@FaheemMitha I run version stable+1 and 35 went stable since my last update

Faheem Mitha

@casey I see. Any particular reason?

casey

@FaheemMitha not really. Its more pathological than anything. If I install debian for non-server use I always use sid for example.

Faheem Mitha

9:17 PM

@casey Hmm. I do the opposite.

I always use stable. I have to be dragged kicking and screaming to use something more recent.

casey

@FaheemMitha It depends on the package. On gentoo I don't unmask unstable systemwide, but rather on a per-package basis. Some stuff just to have the newest versions (KDE) and some because I need features of the newer version (gcc)

Faheem Mitha

@casey Yes, i use more recent stuff selectively too.

ok, trying to upgrade to 35 again. back in a bit.

Braiam

You sure that lamp-server^ would install anything? For me it trows "E: Couldn't find task 'lamp-server'" — Braiam 19 mins ago

anyone can reproduce this in ubuntu? ^

casey

my only ubunutu install is on ARM and that probably wont be helpful

Faheem Mitha

OK, back again

Braiam

9:30 PM

nah, just chrooted my ubuntu installation :)

Faheem Mitha

@casey in case you didn't read the traceback, i've been having audio problems with youtube in chromium.

can somone do a reply to me so I get heard what the ping sounds like?

or just use my username

Braiam

@FaheemMitha why are you using flash with youtube?

Faheem Mitha

@Braiam yes, it is souunding normal again.

@Braiam not any longer, afaik. thanks to @mikeserv

@Braiam because I didn't know any better?

@Braiam do you use the chrome youtube html5 plugin too?

casey

@FaheemMitha if its just youtube it might be a plugin or are you using htm5 playback?

Faheem Mitha

@casey hmm? not sure i follow.

Braiam

9:37 PM

@FaheemMitha there's no such thing as "html5 plugin"

Faheem Mitha

i installed this plugin at @mikeserv's suggestion.

Braiam

html5 is a plugin killer

@strugee ^ ;)

casey

e.g. I have no flash plugin (pepper or adobe) but I still watch youtube

Faheem Mitha

@Braiam chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/html5-video-for-youtube/…

casey

@FaheemMitha ah, you dont need a chome app for that :)

just the link to the opt-in page at youtube

Braiam

9:39 PM

@FaheemMitha youtube.com/html5

Faheem Mitha

@casey yes, i tried that. but it looks different with this chrome app

Braiam

Faheem Mitha

@Braiam Yes, I see that page.

I had set it before. But chromium kept forgetting the setting.

I think it must be set via a cookie.

Braiam

9:58 PM

nah, youtube loves forgetting those setting

Faheem Mitha

@Braiam ok, youtube then

mikeserv

10:36 PM

@casey I'm willing to bet it raises the temp for a considerable time, too. And if it's a full source pull it might do the same for your ISP.

I only ever tried once. That's a big job.

Braiam

Chromium is a bloated project... it uses their own versions of most of libraries they need

mikeserv

@Braiam - agreed. They've got their own huge toolchain. Though, in fairness, from what I noticed, the majority of the source pull was WebKit, I think.

montiainen

Hi, I'm new here, and I have a question. I've given incorrect answer on my own question. What is the correct way to fix it? Can you help me, please? Sorry if this is a wrong place to ask this.

mikeserv

10:56 PM

@montiainen Can you not edit it?

Faheem Mitha

@Braiam Debian hates that.

montiainen

@mikeserv, thank you for your answer! Yes, I can, but the problem is that I don't know the correct answer just yet. Now it's just giving wrong information

Faheem Mitha

@montiainen You could delete it.

mikeserv

Ahh, maybe delete it. You can undelete later after you've figured it out.

montiainen

can I? I found one link to vote it to be deleted...

mikeserv

10:59 PM

Just click the delete link beneath it.

Bottom left.

montiainen

ok, I did it. There reads that owner deleted it. I can still see it though, but I guess that is expected behaviour