data.stackexchange.com/unix%20and%20linux/query/65240/…

#1 and #2 aren't surprising, except that #2 deserves to be #1

I'm surprised by #3, even accounting for volume

and wow, @slm: already almost half as many posts as me!

> Do you know we've a bot notifiying me about new chats? – user233965 2 mins ago

@Gilles can you make private a room of mine please?

this chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/12405/how-did-i-get-here

the same as the trolling of that time ;)

@Braiam I can but 1. only if I set myself as owner and 2. we don't normally do that

@Gilles 1. I'm okey with that 2. I know you don't but is quite frustrating that they can read our behaviors

or unfrozen the old room

@Gilles You mean that I have that many DVs?

@slm yes

@Gilles I brought this up one day to others, I tend to answer ultra specific problem Q's which generally aren't as lucrative as you and Steph. You guys answer the conceptual Q's and so reap the rewards. Plus you, more specifically, have many A's that have benefited from being around longer. I've only been answering Q's since last year.

Also the nature of answering the Q's that are more specific exposes me to a higher rate of DV's b/c there is more opportunity to be wrong or slightly off. When answering the conceptual Q's you can't really fake it on those 8-).

@Gilles - what prompted you to pull that query?

@slm it was mentioned in another room about another site

It would be nice if you could see the rate of DV's vs. time

you can

the DB has the time of votes, rounded to the next day to avoid correlating with the user who cast it

ah

Also I would look at the DVs vs. the total number of votes on a Q,

it's all an SQL query away

true

I've notice that the long tail of A's for you helps immensely wrt to rep. There have been days where you'll have 50-100 rep @ the start of the next day and I have 0, so I have to start answering Q's to get the ball rolling.

@Gilles - So one thing that interests me is there is a little bit of haves and have nots with this architecture of the site. Once you've established a pool of A's they will continue to generate rep for you even if you do nothing more on the site, so your rep will continue to grow, even though you aren't actually doing anything on the site (note the you is not you but just in general!)

@Gilles - so high rep users will beget higher reps while others will not

@Gilles - I've started to notice this more in the last couple of weeks where it's actually get's easier to max your rep out b/c your getting additional rep for past work.

There isn't anything earth shattering in this, But it was interesting to watch.

@slm data.stackexchange.com/unix%20and%20linux/query/62727/…

@Gilles - my DV vs. total is 4%, your 1%, most everyone else on the list is ~10% so I think we're OK 8-)

Also I dealt with our spammer buddies last year and received a lot of DVs from them

@Gilles - some days they were reversed but there were days that were not, they started to realize not to DV too much and slowly do it

@slm did you? It takes 125 rep to downvote, most spammers don't get that much

@Gilles - if you look at that last query and look at the visual you'll notice that you have a lot of DVs too in the 1st year but then they dropped off

I did get significant DVs across many of my SE accounts

that one guy had many dozens of accounts that were legit, and he would do the DV from those, so I suspect

oh, that guy with sockpuppets, I vaguely remember

my SF and SO accounts were hit harder since I have much less rep over there

yeah, unlike a spammer, a sockpuppetteer tends to have significant rep

I forget, you guys sent me his link

that was part of why i was trying to draw him to me so he wouldn't bother others

I knew he coudn't effect my rep as much as whatever he was able to scrape with some legit account

The sockpuppet guys was another guy

he wasn't that big a deal

one thing I've noticed is you get better at answering the Q's so I'd be curious to see if my DV rate drops like yours in year 2-3

@Gilles - I still tend to ramble, your A's are always very nice and clean, but some of your older ones I've notice you were still playing with your voice/formatting of them, so they stick out when you come across them now

Well hockey season starts for me, so I'm off to play my 10pm game. See you guys later.

@Braiam I see from the URL that the chat is "how did I get here" and now I want to know what it is, but of course I get access denied...

@slm heh. every couple weeks or so I get an upvote on a AU question on Compiz + MATE 1.6, even though I don't go on AU anymore.

@slm To him that has, more shall be given. (The Gospels, KGV version).

Also called capitalism in another context.

looks like we're on our way to a blog:

Wow, that was put on hold fast: unix.stackexchange.com/q/108665/4671

Personally, I don't see a problem with questions like that. I think this was raised on meta recently, wasn't it?

@Kartik I get lots of lines like:

Removing xkcd.com/1155/index.html since it should be rejected.

Is that what you get?

I get no pngs. Are you sure there are some at that address?

@slm hockey!? I thought you guys were all freezing your collective rears off and stuck indoors at 20°K.

@terdon - yeah on the ice rink now. I've never played a game on a colder rink last night. Our water bottles on the bench were getting frozen too.

@FaheemMitha (I'm sorry for the delay in the reply.) Yes this is what I get. It seems that wget deletes the file before reading it

@terdon There are png's at the address. You can open it and see it yourself.

@Kartik they are links to a different server though, look at the source: imgs.xkcd.com/comics/holy_ghost.png

They are not actually under xkcd.com/archive

@terdon OK, so which option should I use?

No idea, never done it either. Just brainstorming

I tried this one but it did not help:

       -H
       --span-hosts
           Enable spanning across hosts when doing recursive retrieving.

Maybe we should try to disable --no-parent

I did that also

Yes! I got one png. But not which I wanted.

Same here

@terdon Should I post on the main site?

May as well, yes.

@Kartik works fine for me, try again.

I tried about 20 times.

Worked! 27th try

Done.

@terdon I got another image! But again which I didn't want.

Yeah, that one is not the comic

Hi

I need a fix to this..

@Kartik I got it to work by pointing it to the index file. The problem is the -A switch since the links you are looking for are in the index file, they are not parsed.

I removed the -A switch when i got the second image

@IonicăBizău sorry, no idea. I've had the same issue with my guitar.

@terdon How did you get it to work?

@Kartik you also need the -H

I have the -H

@terdon And did you find a solution...?

@IonicăBizău nope

Did not try much though.

@terdon Anyway I hope there is a solution... :-D I can return my external sound card in 30 days if I want.

@Kartik This kinda works:

wget -HD imgs.xkcd.com -r  --no-parent -A.png,.html --random-wait xkcd.com/1312/

Still gets some extra stuff and I don't know how to do it with the archive site but it might help.

@terdon It seems that we have got an answer.

I just have 850 more pages to download

650 now

just 300 more

Finally downloading the images.

@Kartik why are you downloading all of xkcd?

@slm I was reading your blog and I scrolled down far enough that I saw a screenshot of your desktop before you upgraded, and now I'm crying on the inside

because GNOME 2

@strugee - which post?

@slm the one on GPG-secured subversion

@strugee - that wasn't my desktop, that's the guy that wrote the integration to keyring and svn

but mine looked similar

my gnome3 looks similar to even now

@slm ah. you aren't using classic mode, though?

@strugee - no I didn't want to use the crutch, who knows when it'll get kicked out from under you. Better to jump in and adapt

wiki.gnome.org/ThreePointSeven/Features/DropOrFixFallbackMode provides some background, it seems to me like it's here to stay. but that makes sense

3 is OK. It's just as usable as anything else. The only issue I have is with gnome-shell and it consuming gobs of memory. Will be doing a fedup to 20 shortly to see if 3.10 fixes it

/me mutters something vaguely snide about us rolling folks having 3.10 ages ago

@strugee - sentences like this are why I don't bother: "The fallback mode was always meant to be a temporary stopgap"

yeah yeah I've used rolling releases before, I'm not really a fan, I find you're always fixing something, I'd rather let those types of fixes pile up and then deal with them all at once, it's a matter of taste.

@slm did you read the whole thing? if not, here's a tl;dr: fallback mode was basically GNOME 2. you got kicked into fallback mode when there wasn't 3d acceleration, but it was always kind of broken, since the underlying technology was deprecated

no just the first part

fallback mode was never meant to help people who liked 2 but not 3, but people used it like that anyway

I always want to move forward, it's fun to reminisce about old stuff but I like moving ahead, as doors appear closed, new ones always open up.

so GNOME dropped fallback mode (because it kept breaking) and created a set of extensions that get updated in-tree with GNOME Shell changes, so they never break or have version problems. those extensions are collectively classic mode, and they're officially supported

for now they're supported, but as hardware moves forward there will come a day that they won't, I'd rather learn the new world than live in the old.

My philosophy is that a system such as a laptop should last you 4-5 years. Within those 4-5 years you'll have likely 2 HDDs. So when the 1st HDD starts to show signs of dying, get a 2nd HDD, and use that opp. to do a upgrade to the next jump in OS. This has played out exactly to plan on my last 3 systems.

I had a T42 thinkpad before.

and a T40? thinkpad before that

I've gone from FC5 -> FC10 then F10 -> F14. And on this one F14->F19/20.

give or take within those

makes sense

someone doesn't like incremental upgrades

@slm Wow, your hard disks die young...

I move off of them way before they die

3-5 years is all you should expect from a HDD. Laptops are even worse.

I've gotten far more than that, and I mirror them so I don't have to worry.

blog.backblaze.com/2013/11/12/how-long-do-disk-drives-last

I recently retired some drives from '06. They were still working fine, but were too small.

I have some older ones still in use... about to be retired.

(Hopefully this weekend)

@slm I saw the picture of your chrome session and had to laugh: se site, se site, another se site, a third se site, some perl stuff, some linux stuff, a bit of work on the side, looks identical to mine :)

@slm the Fedora logo in the upper-left, is that an extension or did it come like that?

I have gotten more from them as well, but with a HDD it's only a matter of time before they will fail, so I structure my computer budgets on the principle that a given PC will have 2 HDD's within it's lifetime and replace it accordingly. It a difference in me getting oil in my car changed at every 4K miles vs. waiting until the light on the dash tells me to replace it.

@terdon - yes I pin those SE tabs too. They're always there 8-)

@strugee - that's an extension that I loaded that gives me the slide out bar's contents in a pull down as well.

ah.

I have ~15 SE tabs in this window. I'm always really pleased with myself when I close them all

@strugee - sorry I mis-spoke, it this extension. extensions.gnome.org/extension/13/applications-menu

fippery applications menu

I only ever have 4-7 SE tabs open. Except when I'm voting.

I go through the batch of questions since last time I voted and I middle mouse click on all of them so they're opened up, and then start voting, closing them one by one until I'm done or out of votes. Then I leave the rest until i get my votes replenished.

@derobert I've personally not had to deal with HDDs failing since switching to this approach. Except for when my kids dropped my T42 one time off of our counter. Which the drive survived enough to get its data pulled off and then died, and when they touch my wifes computer, otherwise drives are fairly well managed with my approach. I know I'm leaving money on the table with them, but then I don't have to spend a lot of time recovering data either, that can be a huge time suck.

Hasn't anyone noticed that i'm on the verge of passing Stephane?

I have to say it b/c it's something I never thought was even possible.

It's meaningless but at the same time makes me feel like saying wow!

he probably isn't as active as it was before...

thanks

8-(

@slm You don't have to spend time with mirrored drives, either. When one fails, you just install a new one...

I do for work and at home for my NAS but on single devices no

@slm of course it's possible, he only just passed you a few months ago. If it makes you feel better, he's been here exactly the same amount of time as I and I am not even close to his rep :)

he's answering very old questions unix.stackexchange.com/q/1168/41104

I'm telling you, the secret to rep is cows.

That and ssh.

I just thought it was a personal high point b/c he's on another level, and it took me 2x's the answers to do it but still I was high fiving myself 8-)

yeah yeah, damn cows, and twitter

let's call it a moral victory 8-)

I'm curious how close I can get to Gilles

he's relentless

Oh, and compression formats. That's as much rep as cows, maybe even more.

but it makes it fun to continue answering q's

stupid compresison

I'm like writing up these explicit answers doing tons of research, not even getting a vote, just an accept and you're talking about compression and cows!

btw, someone might want to check this out data.stackexchange.com/unix%20and%20linux/revision/153384/…

lol

data.stackexchange.com/unix%20and%20linux/revision/153384/…

@Braiam Hey, I'm finally on one of those!

I apparently haven't gotten enough downvotes to be on the others...

@derobert you are? What did you search for?

I mean what parameters?

@terdon 10k rep, any upvotes

@slm yep, you are getting jam for your money 22% of your rep is from accepted answers ;)

@derobert ah yes, we're all there that way.

@derobert you need to vote more...

Yeah. I'm not sure that really shows 'high standards' as much as 'doesn't vote that often'

@derobert agreed.

if I understand the query: is people that they proportion of up/down votes is too high for their rep

I don't really vote on things that are 'meh', in either the good or bad direction.

yeh

@Braiam That was my point to Gilles last night, my style is quite different in getting to 50k vs. he ans stephane's, I've answer a higher rate of questions that probably either, b/c I generally answer Q's that are extremely specific issues so their value is lower to others vs. the ones they answer.

check Gilles* he has 15%](data.stackexchange.com/unix%20and%20linux/query/67400/…)

@derobert Well that's another problem w/ the regulars and higher rep individuals, as your knowledge base grows, your less impressed by things that are worthy of a vote, so you have to resist that and take a Q/A at face value and if it shows effort and is right you should upvote it.

check Stephane he has 14%

Gilles appears to be a downvote machine...

@Braiam That's with his overall score which is ~3X higher than mine too

so the numbers prove what I was empirically noticing.

yup

@derobert btrfs to the rescue!

But in me taking a different tactic it has actually allowed me to weave within the site better and compliment them and others.

@strugee I almost went with brtfs on my newest machine. But it didn't do RAID10 across 3 drives, and AFAIK still doesn't.

And its a little scary still. For a filesystem, at least.

btrfs is not ready for primetime yet

it needs another 1-2 years to bake

for desktop it's probably OK, but I would still go with EXT4 for the time being

Yeah, that's my desktop at home. Still on ext4 & mdraid

I would def. not use it on a server yet

@derobert ah. I don't actually use the RAID part of it, so my pen drive install is all btrfs. except for /boot

ext4 with raid, just works, I never have any issues with it.

yeah for desktops it's ok

this is the same thing we went through with ext2 -> ext3 then ext3 -> ext4.

@slm I might on a server, depending on what the server was for. If I needed some of its nice features (like snapshots).

I want the features, but am gun shy about it's stability as of yet

I can test a server, and deal with the bugs that are found, it's not an ever-changing target. Unlike a dekstop...

I have 0 tolerance for filesystem issues.

the features aren't worth risking data.

Its one of those "and tripple-check the backups" things.

yup

ext4 and a mdraid on it works flawlessly

so I'd go with that until probably 2015-2016 at the earliest

@slm Yeah. That's an extremely stable combination. As long as you're not a madman with mdadm --create, like everyone asking questions on the site

most filesystems take 15-0 years to stablize

@derobert - yeah those are some of the best Q&A's on the site, from a comedic standpoint

I can hear that loser music from game shows everytime we get one

I think if I built a new desktop now, instead of ~1 year ago, I'd go with btrfs

wa wa wa wa waaaaaaaa

yeah it's good to familiarize yourself with new tech. but not on a server if you can help it, esp. when it's a filesystem

There are definitely some nice things you get from fs-integrated RAID, like being able to say "yeah, this is a temp file, stripe it, don't mirror it"

Except, I think that is a "someday..." thing for btrfs, still.

btrfs has some great things for servers, like data checksums

@derobert I dunno about controlling RAID, but you can turn off the copy-on-write feature on a file that's huge (e.g. VM disks)

@strugee yeah, they added that. Of course, you have no COW on ext4

The deduplication feature is really the one I want from a fs

How many duplicate files do you have? I don't have that many...

on my work NAS we have many

I'm thinking of using btrfs on my home server when I finally get a new hd. I wouldn't use it in a super important production setup but for a home server it's fine, IMHO

me personally not that much

yeah technology has to be played with and understood

best to know the corner conditions before you run into problems

I always make sure I can do things like add, delete, grow, shrink, add more devices, remove them, etc. etc.

@slm that I can believe. Especially if you let non-technical users access it.

@strugee - that might be a good blog post of how to do these things with say ext4 + mdraid, also do the same one using btrfs. And a 3rd post would be the actual list of operations that one would do

@derobert we do medical imaging and the image files are copied at least ~3-5 times

partially b/c of workflows

@slm yeah, I might do that but I haven't done any mdraid. the only thing I've done is super basic LVM.

Workflows implemented by copying files. Fun...

yeah

@strugee I can help with the mdraid part. Or the LVM part.

@slm and probably Windows, so you can't use symlinks. Or hardlinks.

there is a lot of mis-information on LVM + mdraid, that should be a higher ticket post

@derobert yes we are a mix of windows + linux

@derobert junction links

most of our servers/services are linux based

well i have to get back to work

@strugee probably not over Samba

I wonder if there is a Samba VFS for deduplication.

i don't think you can do junction links over samba

@derobert hmm, that's an intriguing thought

@derobert wouldn't it just resolve in the underlying filesystem, and not involve Samba?

@strugee You can do symlinks or hardlinks on the underlying filesystem, but the problem is exporting them to the Windows clients (which don't understand either).

And neither do the Windows users. So e.g., you can have symlinks show as another copy of the file/directory, but the users will be confused why modifying one modified the other.

@derobert oh, for some reason I thought you were connecting from a GNU/Linux client to a Windows server

silly me

That is silly, why'd you ever set up a Windows server? :-P

@derobert masochism

80% of the servers in DR are windows/IIS based servers...

@strugee Ok, that's a good reason. Would you go with Windows ME, to maximize the effect?

@derobert I see monkeys

@Braiam DR = Dominican Republic?

Ok, from your location, probably

And yeah, I know there are actually a lot of Windows servers, from all kinds of random people wanting something point & click, and already being familiar with Windows.

@derobert yes, but for 100% effect I'd recommend an internal beta build

@strugee Well, I don't have access to any of those. Though maybe I could look for one on The Pirate Bay. That'd probably be best.

@derobert you don't?? blasphemy!

@strugee Hah, why would I have test builds of Windows? I mean, that's like asking why you don't keep nuclear waste around, just in case.

@derobert heh. this is true

@terdon I'm on Unix.SE, what did you expect?

[ 3048.900406] do_IRQ: 0.105 No irq handler for vector (irq -1)
[ 4039.566188] do_IRQ: 3.108 No irq handler for vector (irq -1)

ugh, I keep getting these messages, ever since upgrading to 3.12. I wonder if its a kernel bug, or another nVidia one.

None of my other machines on 3.12 get it... And Google says no one else does, either, except back in '09.

Guess I need to switch over to nouveau temporarily to check.

function backups_remove_file
{
    echo ""
    echo "2. Make Backups Of Files(s)"
    echo ""
    echo "Which File You Wanna To Make Backups?"
    read back
    echo "What's The File's Name Should Be After Backups? And Where?"
    read after
    read -p "Continue (y/n)?" CONT1
    if [ "$CONT1" == "y" ]; then
        tar -cvpzf "$after.tar.gz" "$back"
        echo "Backups File Successful !" ;
    else
        echo "Backups File Unsuccessful !" ;
    fi
}

> echo ""

@Braiam what is that script?

some guy in AU asking for help about an script

he wonders why even though the tar fails, it still prints "Backups File Successful !"

yeah...

that script seems entirely pointless

he should just write an alias to tar and be done with it

@Braiam smh

So I am stumped and hoped someone here might have an idea:

@Bashwork - ask your Q on the main site!

ugh, this nouveau driver has Senn me back to 1994. It appears if I want above 1024x768, I get to write mode lines.

and it seems xvidtune doesn't work, yeah get to restart the server over and over...

Ok, since I don't feel like re-learning how ModeLines work, just swiped one that the proprietary driver is using... See if that works.

looks like it.

Yeah! Drop shadows don't work. Transparency is gone. There is noticable latency drawing!

And there is one of those do_IRQ messages

I think this is this machine's way of telling me to go home for the weekend.

@derobert Why not use the proprietary nvidia driver?

@FaheemMitha Trying to figure out what's with that IRQ message I pasted earlier, wanted to make sure it isn't an nVidia bug.

@derobert I see. I get weird messages in the logs all the time. I usually ignore them if there are no corresponding symptoms. I'm surprised you don't do the same.

@FaheemMitha This one is new after kernel upgrade, and also gets broadcast to every console. Very hard to ignore.

@derobert Ouch. Sounds nasty. Have you asked around? Googled, etc?

Try upgrading the driver?