Wow, the ZTE Grand S looks even more impressive than the Sony Xperia Z

hmm maybe i am behind the times i didn't realize there were so many phones with 2gb of ram

doesn't appear to be any with more than that however

the Xiaomi Mi-Two is the only phone i can find with a non-huge screen and 2 GB RAM ... never heard of them before

Huawei Ascend D2 is slick as well, but also China only like the Grand S :(

O-o, Ooops-Mode activated a couple of minutes ago (just when I wanted to submit a comment)

I'm sure Al must have more posts on meta than main this year the way he's going!

hahaha

Can somebody explain to me how there are new questions popping up (here on chat), when the page is not even reachable?

@Izzy what page isn't reachable?

I cannot even browse questions, not speaking of answering/commenting. All I get is "Ooops".

We apologize for any inconvenience, but an unexpected error occurred while you were browsing our site.

android.SE

Wait -- f**k, it's just one question having that issue. Can you open this: android.stackexchange.com/error?aspxerrorpath=/questions/37235/…

(I always hit reload there to check if the "site" is back online, grrr...)

@Izzy that link is a link to an error page. the actual question link (android.stackexchange.com/questions/37235/…) works for me

checking...

Oh holy cow... Now I see: I got redirected... Tomatoes on my eyes not having seen that in the URL...

Sorry for disturbing you -- and thanks for the eye opener :D

@Izzy no worries :P

hmm phonearena shows the Oppo Find 5 with the 1700/2100 band but no where else seems to

alright so the question is, should i get a Nexus 4 or wait for the Xperia Z or SGS4? :P

i might have to get the N4 so my girlfriend doesn't see the pricetag and have a heart attack

hmm didn't realize how close the N4 was to the iPhone in PPI. the new phones are insane though ... this is the classic "give in, be poor but have THE phone" vs "resist, don't break the bank and still have a great phone" decision :P

@MatthewRead Are you talking to yourself? No-one is listening ;)

How is everyone? I'm happy - I got 20 hats ;)

LOL

@MatthewRead: The camera has some issues (grainy pics, i read somewhere) and it's a little slippery. Besides this: Superb. And also easy to fix.

BTW: My wallet also hates this: get.cm/?device=odroidu2

Galaxy S with CM10 ftw! Hope to keep this phone for the next 2 years or so :)

Seemingly this has been ported in no more than 5(!) days

Odroid-U2: shipped on Dec 29 to CM maintainer Ricardo Cerqueia and ported until Jan 05

@Flow: The SGS is a good phone. You know that only Google's Nexus S OSS release made it possible to be in that good supported state?

Due to the same chipsets, used in both

No I wasn't aware of that

Drivers, it's all about drivers

Yep. That's why the S2 is thumbs down with CM10 right now, there's no Exynos4 Google phone out.

:( I have an S2.

If only I had £300

plus.google.com/101093310520661581786/posts/cdPnNjLAb4F

Very good read, but long (spans 8 posts over 2months)

Although the CM10 is running stable on it

I lol'ed: reddit.com/r/androidcirclejerk/comments/1692gd/…

This subreddit is so hilarious...

@LiamW: I meant CM10.1 (with the S2). But hey: It's actually a good phone. I just don't like some things, like the missing CM support for HDMI out, which is never going to happen (according to teamhacksung members)

Ah: There's no S2 hdmi support for any CM release, afaik.

@MatthewRead: as for the 'what to buy', I'd say either Sony or Nexus. If you mind hackability (unlocking bootloaders) and 3rd party firmware quality/support. (Sony's Android devs work with the community and acts nice: developer.sonymobile.com/2012/09/03/… )

Does anybody of you know if the CM10 to CM10.1 update will be possible without a factory reset on my SGS?

@LiamW guess so :P

@Flow i think i am going to try it again in the meantime, my first attempt with CM7 was very bad

@MatthewRead CM10 works like a charm. I installed it today after running CM9.1 for a few months

@ce4 that's definitely a concern with sony but i did hear they've been nicer. i'm mostly impressed with the design and 443 PPI (holy crap!)

Lol ;) I want a Nexus!

SE should hold some competitions ;)

@MatthewRead: FYI: Some of CM's teamhacksung members sold their S3's and went 'sony''. Most of their reluctance to do it earlier came from remembering Sony's rootkit incident in 2005. PS: Sony's phone division is the former SonyEricsson joint venture which presumably got it's FOSS mojo from Ericsson. And: Their tablet division is more locked up though.

@Flow: as for the update: without reset

Post by cyanogenmod on upgrading from cm10 to cm10.1: plus.google.com/117962666888533781522/posts/GLmm5JprLVg

@MatthewRead: What went wrong with CM7? Presumably a half-supported device, right? (Hence my preference for a benevolent manufacturer (community+FOSS-wise) or at least for a very popular phone (increases probability for good support too))

@ce4 that's intense. hugely damages my respect for samsung (or rather love of their products i suppose)

@ce4 likely ;) it just crashed constantly

@MatthewRead Sorry for both

@ce4 it's good to know

I really recommend Andrew Dodd's "saga of an exynos4 maintainer" on Google plus, for all who need some insight

You meant that with 'hugely damages...', right?

@ce4 yes indeed

But: They're have a huge market share and thus the support is 'somewhat' good even Samsung's help is bad/mediocre

Oh not to forget: And then there's inexcusable stuff like ExynosAbuse root exploit forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2048511

@ce4 this is true, the SGS3 and Note are impossible to ignore

BAsically the whole RAM is read/write on all major Samsung phones right now (for quick camera access)

Not sure what **** they took, when they designed that hacky shortcut (camera app -> direct RAM access)

that's ridiculous

It's fixed in CyanogenMod, by the way since the second day the exploit came out

@Flow: Made your upgrade question a Q/A pair:

Nice

Hopefully it's true for all devices

My clock app needed a 'delete app data', that was all

@ce4 So you did the CM10 -> CM10.1 update?

which device?

My Nexus 7 and the S2 (i9100)

@Flow ^^

CM10.1 is stable on the S2?

Rather stable. Doesn't reboot, just minor stuff like the dialer blocks sometimes (ie. the screen won't turn on when on call, some proximity stuff, don't know) and mobile data sometimes needs a airplane mode and back operation

Oh, and of course bluetooth problems (but those come from the BlueZ -> Broadcom stack switch)

And this switch was done by Google in 4.2

@Flow ^^

I would guess that they switched to the broadcom stack because of BT LE

Yep. Guess so too, but the API doesn't expose BT LE yet, right?

Ah, and be sure you use the latest radio/baseband: I currently have I9100XXLQ6

oops: XXLS6 is the most recent...

@Flow: Flashed the XXLS6, at least the dialer/proximity bug is now fixed. And probably the occasional gsm data connection problem too.