BGE - Dinosaurs - 2015-07-14 (page 1 of 4)

GiantCowFilms

00:07

@RadishoftheOpera You have those rights

@David @RadishoftheOpera We are probably going to have to programatically distribute the pickups as well

TARDIS Maker

00:35

No one do anything to the environment without first checking with me. I don't want any conflicts.

NoviceInDisguise

ok

TARDIS Maker

00:51

The modifications I made in the enviroment .blend aren't showing up in the game master

GiantCowFilms

@TARDISMaker That applies to everything, but it is a good idea to announce your work

@TARDISMaker You need to make a git commit

TARDIS Maker

Why?

Shouldn't I be able to test it locally?

GiantCowFilms

Because git

TARDIS Maker

@GiantCowFilms Okay, I was thinking push

I completely forgot about commits

GiantCowFilms

Since you all have power to commit whatever you want, you can strait up commit

TARDIS Maker

00:54

Oh, my modifications where in the wrong enviroment .blend

Okay, are we using Environment.blend or environment.blend?

There are two in the repo, and I accidentally made all my modifications in the old environment .blend

GiantCowFilms

@TARDISMaker lowercase

TARDIS Maker

Okay

good

Give me a few minutes, and I'll have my new version up

Okay, anything that I should be aware of before I push my changes?

I've removed Environment.blend, and modified environment.blend

GiantCowFilms

@TARDISMaker Sounds good

TARDIS Maker

Okay, my changes should be live

Nothing increadibly interesting, but I did a bit of work to randomize the environment

Next up is detailing

I'll probably be creating a new folder to hold models which I'll link in

GiantCowFilms

I wouldn't link too much

only separate stuff if you think different people might want to work on those separate parts at the same time

TARDIS Maker

01:08

Okay

I'll do it all in the same file then, unless I find it easier to work in a separate one

GiantCowFilms

@David You, or whoever separated the player, really really messed up

TARDIS Maker

01:24

What is generating the lighting in the main file?

GiantCowFilms

The charicter

Don't mess with him too much though, something is very wrong

TARDIS Maker

Okay

I'm building my own lighting setup for the environment, and something is messing with it and it's annoying me

Where should I look to fix it?

Or can someone fix it for me and then let me know when the changes are committed?

GiantCowFilms

You need the change player.blend, however, since that file is so messed up, I wouldn't be sure that your changes will stick

but give it a shot

the organization has kina fallen to dust

TARDIS Maker

There are a few lamps in there, but if I set them to not render, it does nothing

I can't think of anything else though

I don't really know where to look in the file

TARDIS Maker

01:48

I think I figured it out, but it's going to need a bit more testing before I can be sure

GiantCowFilms

I'm going to replace the player file in a bit

heads up

Player fixed!

TARDIS Maker

Okay, so update before doing anything else?

GiantCowFilms

Dah still not working D:

TARDIS Maker

What did you try to change?

GiantCowFilms

The main player

something is up though

TARDIS Maker

01:55

Okay

GiantCowFilms

@David Changing all the layers really really really made this harder then it needed to be

TARDIS Maker

Can I go through all the files and remove all lights?

That way I can do it all in the environment file?

And build it up from scratch?

GiantCowFilms

Go ahead and make your changes

TARDIS Maker

02:11

Okay

They should be up now

Nope, I was wrong

My repo is in a different place than the github repo, so I need to figure out how to get back to that commit

I had made changes before you made you changes to the player

Yay, now I get to make those changes to all the files all over again! Yay!

@GiantCowFilms what did you do to game master.blend?

I just opened it up, and there's nothing there

The two objects that are there, are ZombieMaster and zombieClone

GiantCowFilms

@TARDISMaker Oh

syncing new one

@TARDISMaker check ALL the layers

TARDIS Maker

02:27

Okay

Did you just push a change that took care of that?

Okay, Now my changes are live

David

@GiantCowFilms what did I do to the player?

@GiantCowFilms not for me. :)

TARDIS Maker

So am I the only one who writes descriptive commit messages?

David

@TARDISMaker I do.

just not long messages

TARDIS Maker

Mine aren't long

They're all just one line

But some of the other ones I've seen don't really tell me anything about what was done

GiantCowFilms

@David You copied half the stuff which caused ALOT of stuff to break

I've got the player working, nobody override my commit, that was a pain and a hafl

David

02:43

@GiantCowFilms half? ... hmm I thought it looked good. (I could still walk ect.)

GiantCowFilms

Yes, but not shoot

you needed the bullet the flare and the sphere

anyway, fixed now

Now I have to see the the clone :/

David

well that is what happens when you tell a guy brand new to the (unorganized) project to "split up this game"

GiantCowFilms

The zombie cloner offers a wierd issue

TARDIS Maker

I just want to clarify, the environment shouldn't make it even remotely easy to find your way back to a location, correct?

GiantCowFilms

@David I thought you'd be the most organized, but I forgot about that

my bad I guess

but I'm still going to be peeved because its 80 degrees in this room

and I'm dying

@TARDISMaker Don't mess the layout

that was carefully put into place

David

02:45

@GiantCowFilms I probably am, just not that good at starting off with trying to decipher what was already there.

GiantCowFilms

I think what they wanted was for you to add detail to the buildings, and maybe some textures.

@David Yes... not your fault

TARDIS Maker

@GiantCowFilms I'm not changing the layout

GiantCowFilms

@TARDISMaker Okay

then sure yah

TARDIS Maker

I know how you put it together specifically to work for the jeep

GiantCowFilms

I guess getting lost is a good thing

David

02:46

all around it was still a good thing, even if I did create more work then was necessary.

TARDIS Maker

@GiantCowFilms Yeah, that's what I was thinking

David

@GiantCowFilms why?

TARDIS Maker

That means that I have to be careful with both the models and the lighting

@David That's what makes sense with the game

Hi @PGmath

Did curiosity bring you here?

David

I'm still lost :)

GiantCowFilms

@David It makes it hard to find your way back the the jeep and such, makes it difficult

its also more scary when you're utterly lost and disorientated

TARDIS Maker

02:49

@GiantCowFilms Well, I usually just get on the jeep automatically, but yeah

David

so no overlay map? :(

TARDIS Maker

@David NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GiantCowFilms

@TARDISMaker Yes, but when we add the fuel system, as soon as you run out of fuel, you will no longer be able to ride the jeep. Then you'll have to find fuel and find the jeep

TARDIS Maker

@GiantCowFilms Ah

That's going to add a fun game mechanic!

David

@TARDISMaker are you sure that removing the lighting from all the files was a good idea. The jeep had dynamic light built in, headlights and such.

and the lights with the player, flowed the player, that is how the shadow was made.

TARDIS Maker

02:52

I didn't know about that

Most of the lights where blowing out everything in the main map though

I doubt they where doing what they where intended to do

I think it'll be simplest to just build those from scratch, than to try and figure out what did what

This is why we comment out code when programming :)

(or name our objects in Blender)

David

I know what the jeep did, and they aren't going to be happy.

TARDIS Maker

I'm pretty sure it was the jeep one that was messing it up

It had a hemi light over it

David

@TARDISMaker I have said that multiple times here to day

anyway good night

TARDIS Maker

night

GiantCowFilms

I fixed the zombie cloner!

wahoo!

TARDIS Maker

03:01

Does it effect the main file?

GiantCowFilms

Yes

@TARDISMaker I would try not to edit the main file

Don't worry about the lighting yet if possible

Or just copy your changes into the updated one

@TARDISMaker Why don't you put your lighting changes into the environment file (where they fit) You can clean the ones out of the new files I provide then.

I have pushed all changes

TARDIS Maker

@GiantCowFilms The mist of something is interfearing

GiantCowFilms

@RadishoftheOpera Why do the zombie clones need to have that first state? Why can't they just start tracking as soon as they are made?

@TARDISMaker Ah...

I may have overidden that change, however, I'm done pushing stuff for today, so you can make you change and commit, I can pull it in tomorrow

TARDIS Maker

I haven't made any commits yet, so I should be good grabbing yours, and then figuring out the mist

I'll also add in the headlights for the jeep, but I don't see a reason for the character to be lighting stuff

GiantCowFilms

@TARDISMaker I think @X-27 Ill be overidding anything in the jeep relm.

BTW, the only way to make this work is for everyone to stick to their file

I'm currently working in the clones

and a little in the main file

@X-27 is making mega changes to the jeep

If you make to many changes everywhere, you may end up creating severe conflicts

and alot of work will be wasted

TARDIS Maker

03:17

yes, true

I'm trying to stay to only editing the environments file, but I can't help but do a bit in the main file to integrate stuff.

Also, for some reason, the main file doesn't want to use my lighting setup from the environments file.

It doesn't seem to be linking correctly

Radish of the Opera

@GiantCowFilms they can fly...

thats why we have to wait for them to land.

Hey, if anyone wants to tell me how to commit, i'd be much obliged

TARDIS Maker

@RadishoftheOpera I would tell you, but I'm pretty sure we're doing this in different ways

I'm using the terminal in linux

Radish of the Opera

@TARDISMaker how can i do that?

if i open terminal...

what do i type?

TARDIS Maker

type git

That won't commit it, but it will tell me if you actually have git installed

Radish of the Opera

oh... is there a git for linux as well? or do i need to WINE the windows verison?

TARDIS Maker

03:27

I'm pretty sure git was originally on Linux

Your using Ubuntu, right?

Radish of the Opera

@TARDISMaker i had git on windows, lemme install it real quick here on linux.

@TARDISMaker yessa

TARDIS Maker

Should just be sudo apt-get install git

@GiantCowFilms where my lighting changes reverted?

(It's okay if they where, but I would like to know)

As in the one that removed all the lights

@RadishoftheOpera is git installing?

Radish of the Opera

03:54

@TARDISMaker it said it installed...

but i don't see it

TARDIS Maker

It won't be a gui program

Radish of the Opera

gui?

TARDIS Maker

It's a terminal program

Radish of the Opera

ah, thats what i thought

so , awesome, i'll figure it out tomorow

TARDIS Maker

if you type in git in the terminal it will basically give you a help thing

@RadishoftheOpera Well, do you want me to quickly explain how to get the repo, or do you just want to leave that for tomorrow?

I feel like this would have been easier if we had started this from scratch

Then we wouldn't have to fix nearly as much

GiantCowFilms

04:03

@RadishoftheOpera Also, why do the zombie clones need that first state? it kinda causes problems

TARDIS Maker

@GiantCowFilms does that fuel canister still have to be modeled?

GiantCowFilms

@TARDISMaker Yes, but why don't you work on the enviroment

Or at least be done with the main game file

so other can edit it

TARDIS Maker

yeah, I can just not do anything more with the main file

I haven't made any changes to it recently, (nor have I committed anything from it since that last one)

Somehow, the lighting seems to be back to how it was before I deleted all those lights, so I'm not sure what's going on there

GiantCowFilms

@TARDISMaker Probably overwritten, just make all your changes and notify us when we are free to edit it again, without overiding

we kind of have system here where you have to bookmark time with a file. The less time you bookmark the better, since you risk holding up others

TARDIS Maker

Right now, I think I'm just going to give up on the lighting

@GiantCowFilms And yeah, that's really the only way to do it when working with binary files

GiantCowFilms

04:15

cya tomorrow

TARDIS Maker

But the only way I can really setup lighting, is to do it directly in the main file, because there's some wierd linking issues going on that I don't feel like hunting down

@GiantCowFilms bye

X-27

14:06

@GiantCowFilms that is for sure. I'm thinking of also adding a switch to turn off the break lights, allowing you to stop without showing your position to the zombo-cubes

GiantCowFilms

14:39

@X-27 Okay, how about you add it to the game, and then after that you continue making changes

X-27

14:58

ok.

breaklight switch working.

the problem is, that the jeep I'm constantly modifying will need some changes to adapt to the zombo-cubes.

my jeep's missiles run at 20 frames per second, and I think the zomby game runs at 60 frames per second.

Radish of the Opera

@GiantCowFilms te first state is really important! because they are rigid bodies, the "steering" actuator can override all physics. since they spawn in the air, they will track you down while flying and then land on your head.

GiantCowFilms

@RadishoftheOpera Yes, but I fixed that

Radish of the Opera

?

one sec... lemme check

GiantCowFilms

if you uncheck lock z velocoity

the fall pretty quickly

X-27

Oh! how awesome! ghost zombies that fly at you from the sky going through walls until they kill you!

Ctrl-Z

Radish of the Opera

15:00

@X-27 quite frightening actually

GiantCowFilms

As before please announce what files your working on before commiting.

I'm working in both zombies, the player and main

X-27

is the jeep's primary function going to be driving over the zombo-cubes, or shooting them with the missile launcher?

or mainly a way for the player to get away fast before returning fire?

or all of the above :-)

I mean, what did you have in mind for the jeep to do?

Radish of the Opera

@TARDISMaker! I need to know how to push on Linux!

GiantCowFilms

@X-27 The jeep will only kill zombies via the missiles

(running over is just way to easy)

It will collect ammo from the zombies, by hitting htem

X-27

not really, The jeep has a speed property on it. it would not be too hard to only make the zombies die if you run into them above a certain speed.

GiantCowFilms

15:03

It will also have a fuel gage, and when it runs out, the player will be rudely ejected from the jeep

X-27

Fuel!

GiantCowFilms

@X-27 Yes, that is still to easy

X-27

Why didn't I think of that?

right away!

GiantCowFilms

First intergrate!

Radish of the Opera

who the hell is mateas boelter?

X-27

15:04

GiantCowFilms

I think he @TARDISMaker

X-27

And I can add a speed gauge also!

GiantCowFilms

@X-27 I preferred the view where you could see the entire jeep

X-27

yes, those switches actually toggle when you press L for head lights and B for break lights

GiantCowFilms

okay

@X-27 When are you going to add it into our game

X-27

15:06

oh don't worry, there are five different views

GiantCowFilms

you just need to replace the contents of jeep.blend, and then ping me so it can be linked into the main file

X-27

k

after the fuel and speed gauges.

:-)

GiantCowFilms

:)

@RadishoftheOpera So can we get rid of the other states on the zombie clones

I'd like to combine the zombieMaster and zombieClone object into one thing.

Radish of the Opera

@GiantCowFilms well, they are also useful for explosions and stuff... don't get rid of them yet, but you can initialize them in state 1.

GiantCowFilms

Okay

Radish of the Opera

15:15

@TARDISMaker i can't continue without you.

@GiantCowFilms do you guys still need the fuel?

GiantCowFilms

Yes, we still need the canister

drop him off in pickups .blend

Radish of the Opera

called... you can unpin that now...

GiantCowFilms

@TARDISMaker @RadishoftheOpera @X-27 @David If you need to make changes to the main file to test, but it is not your turn to commit, you can leave the main file out of your commit.

X-27

I can make the fuel can if no one else will, I'll have a place to put an emergency one on the back of the jeep if a full fuel pickup can't fit in the fuel tank

If I'm getting to crazy here with "complicated awesome stuff" I'm counting on you guys to stop me.

GiantCowFilms

Radish is working on the actuall cansiter

X-27

15:19

(before my head implodes)

GiantCowFilms

@X-27 Thats fine as long as you start to make it work with the rest of the game

X-27

all of this stuff so far should work on its own, but I'll test it heavily in the zombo-cube environment before sending to git.

GiantCowFilms

@RadishoftheOpera

Yah we do need a solution

I think the issue is that the other logic needs to start asap, its only the tracking that should start on ground impact

NOW it is EPIC

Zombie Tornado!

Currently, I can bounce missiles off of walls, which is pretty cool

Radish of the Opera

@GiantCowFilms what do you mean "the other logic"

all the do is track and get hurt

also! i finished the jerry can, but i can't upload it to git untill @TARDISMaker teaches me how to use git on linux... so should i pasteall it for you? it matches the rest of the style perfectly

GiantCowFilms

15:39

@RadishoftheOpera yes

@RadishoftheOpera Sure

@RadishoftheOpera I'm not sure if the style matching things is good or not

Radish of the Opera

@GiantCowFilms UM... we defiunitely need to lock z-velocity.. they fall through the ground... what was bothering you about the states?

unless you explain your problem and present a different workaround, we have to put it back to what it was.

GiantCowFilms

@RadishoftheOpera That issue should be fixed by improving the ground collision or making sure the z value is always greater then 0

Yes, all you need to do is add a constraint that forces them to stay about 0, adding now

David

ok so is it safe to pull down whatever you guys did last night?

Radish of the Opera

@GiantCowFilms then they would never fall.

@David i don't know... i still can't do anything

GiantCowFilms

@David Yes, in fact the game works as well as it did before the split

after an entire day of work

Radish of the Opera

15:45

@GiantCowFilms lowpoly jerrycan

pasteall.org/blend/37053

David

did anybody look in the the removal of all the lights?

GiantCowFilms

huh

Radish of the Opera

@David Mathias Pool or whatever his name is did

GiantCowFilms

I think I overid that... I didn't know he was pushing to main

David

exactly, (that is TARDISMaker)

Radish of the Opera

15:46

42 mins ago, by Radish of the Opera

who the hell is mateas boelter?

X-27

@GiantCowFilms add the property "Solid" or "Ground" to anything you want missiles to explode on.

Radish of the Opera

@X-27 i think he did... it cool to bounce them off walls

X-27

lol, yah :-)

Radish of the Opera

@gandalf3

X-27

I made a jump to test the jeep and forgot to add the property to it, and it was fun shooting missiles up a ramp :-)

Radish of the Opera

15:48

do you know how to github on linux?

David

@X-27 you made the jeep, look at the jeep file and see about the lights.

X-27

what is wrong with the lights?

GiantCowFilms

@X-27 Yes

I did

@X-27 I like bouncing it off the walls

Radish of the Opera

@X-27 we odn't have any

X-27

@RadishoftheOpera Oh, ok. I'll have to get the current jeep i've been working on up and running soon then :-)

Radish of the Opera

15:49

@GiantCowFilms the only problem i found, was that if you shoot it at a wall perpendicular, it stays stuck in the wall

X-27

because, the one I am working on is a bit awesomer than the one in the game now.

David

@X-27 the perils of working with a non communicating, distant team

Radish of the Opera

@X-27 good, thats the point

@David we communicate, just not effectively

X-27

exactly.

David

@RadishoftheOpera not really, we need to have certen people do certen jobs.

Radish of the Opera

15:51

certen

GiantCowFilms

A little more communication would be helpful

Radish of the Opera

lol

GiantCowFilms

what we really need is a system for bookmarking time on certain files

David

@RadishoftheOpera this is a game room ,not spelling class.

Radish of the Opera

?

google calendar

GiantCowFilms

15:51

Well no

Radish of the Opera

@David even gamers need to know how to spell

David

@GiantCowFilms git have a check out/in system.

GiantCowFilms

Why don't we just use messages and pinning

Radish of the Opera

@David Hio! i is vicent! i is maked games with zombies!

GiantCowFilms

@RadishoftheOpera Are you still reserving the jeep file

Radish of the Opera

15:53

@GiantCowFilms nope...

i got what i needed through'

unfortunately...

GiantCowFilms

Please remove your file bookmarks from the sidebar when you are done

Radish of the Opera

ICAN"T USE GITHUB SO I CAN"T DO ANYTHING ELSE!!!!

@GiantCowFilms i did

someone starred it

GiantCowFilms

@RadishoftheOpera That was for pinning to the sidebar for everyone

Radish of the Opera

how bout we make one rules post and pin it, rather than 3 or 4

\like this

GiantCowFilms

Silence in the chat, GCF is going to write the rules!

Radish of the Opera

15:56

Please, when you are done working on a file, remove your bookmarks from the sidebar. nobody work/commit without checking in first! We want to avoid conflicts, ask before changing stuff!

GiantCowFilms

@RadishoftheOpera hang on, I have a better idea

Radish of the Opera

so do i

GiantCowFilms

Shhh

Please Read The Rules

1. Before working on a file, check that nobody else is. Then announce it and pin it to the sidebar (or ask someone else to pin it)

Radish of the Opera

2. When you are done using the file, remove you reservation form the sidebar.

GiantCowFilms

@RadishoftheOpera For heavens sake!

Please Read The Rules

1. Before working on a file, check that nobody else is. Then announce it and pin it to the sidebar (or ask someone else to pin it)

2. When you are done with a file, remove it form the sidebar

3. Ensure you have all the changes copied down before you work

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BGE - Dinosaurs