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12:55 PM
posted on March 21, 2012 by Michael Hollinger

It is the employer's money. The employer is paying for a service. The service is what is being transferred to the employee as compensation. If an employer purchases an asset on behalf of an employee, it remains the employers until such time as the right is transferred to the employee. You may as well say that the 6.2% Social Security contribution that an employer must make (in addition to

 
 
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3:44 PM
posted on March 21, 2012 by Bruce Alderman

If we are going to persist in the myth that somehow an employer-funded health care scheme is the best that the US can do... And there's the rub. We shouldn't persist in the myth that an employer-based (employer-funded is a misnomer because not all employers actually fund their insurance plans) health care scheme is the best we can do. And once again, nobody is compelling employers to pa

 
4:16 PM
@StackExchange And just to clarify: I understand and respect the religious arguments against certain medical procedures that are seen as destructive of human life. What I can't understand is the support for giving employers unrestricted free reign to decide what medical procedures their employees should be allowed to get. Anyone who argues for that has obviously never been hurt by gaps in their employer-based insurance plan.
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6:02 PM
posted on March 21, 2012 by Peter Turner

Bruce, nobody is compelling employers to pay for health insurance I think that's exactly what the new healthcare bill is doing. If you've got a company of >50 employees, you have to pay for healthcare or pay a 2,000 dollar fine. I heard this from Sen. Ron Johnson on Wisconsin Public Radio yesterday, the speculation (from the right at least) is that most employers will opt to pay the

 
6:15 PM
@BruceAlderman I am an alumnus of Alpha Gamma Omega at UCLA. We weren't recognized for the time I was there. (Interestingly, recognition was withheld for entirely different reasons.) It didn't hurt to badly since we have a house in Westwood. But the San Diego State chapter doesn't (and isn't likely to) get a house near campus, so they rely on the school to provide things like meeting spaces. I think the 9th Circuit made the wrong decision, but IANAL.
@BruceAlderman Many people don't know that virtually all fraternities began as Christian or Jewish organizations. Since there are reasons besides agreeing with a fraternity's principles for joining, non- or marginal Christians wanted to join and naturally wanted to become student leaders. There are very few fraternities left that are strongly Christian in practice as a result.
 
 
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8:20 PM
posted on March 21, 2012 by Bruce Alderman

Yeah, I should have clarified that under the current system no one is compelling employers to provide insurance. The reform bill does contain mandates and fines beginning in 2014. As for socialized medicine, we've had it in the U.S. since 1965. It's called Medicare, and it is available to everyone over the age of 65 as well as people with disabilities. It costs about 1/3 to 1/2 of what privat

 
8:32 PM
@JonEricson This is a tough one, because on the one hand I can see why taxpayers wouldn't want to fund an organization when (a) they are opposed to its goals or (b) they wouldn't qualify for it even if they wanted to join. (In fact, given the health care discussion we've just had, I would expect most conservatives to take this side.)
On the other hand, if a group can't set qualifications for membership, the group loses some of its distinctiveness.
(Incidentally, my church was started by the members of exactly this type of campus organization.)
 
9:24 PM
@BruceAlderman That turned out alright in the end. ;-)
In some ways, I'm pleased that the fraternity faces opposition and sticks to it's guns, so to speak. It's a test that needs to be passed.
 

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