The Bikeshed - 2015-07-13

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4:39 AM

@HDE226868 if it's a good question, it can help the community though.

By the way, the rank on the two pages is not random. They're ranked by hotness score.

Which depends on votes, answers and votes on answers.

And is inversely related to max(2 hours, question age)

I think

The Lord of the Rings sequel, set years after the Ring hubbub has died down, is just Samwise discreetly creeping back to Bag End to finish dropping the eaves.

I was a little bit off:

31

A: How do the "arbitrary hotness points" work on the new Stack Exchange home page?

Basically what's documented here: What formula should be used to determine "hot" questions? We have a few tweaks: Succeeding questions from the same site are penalized by increasing amounts. So, the first question from SO in the list gets multiplied by 1.0, the second by 0.98, the third ...

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6:25 AM

Hi all

(in case anyone is here)

6:39 AM

Hi

@ProgramFOX how are you?

Fine, thanks! And you?

not bad, weekend was over too quickly again

0

Q: Let's use the tag "drm" instead of "digital-rights-management"

I propose to use drm instead of digital-rights-management. Reasons: It shorter. It is open to be interpreted as "Digital Restrictions Management", a term of importance for the Free Software movement. (see https://defectivebydesign.org/what_is_drm_digital_restrictions_management) "Digital Rights...

discussion retagging

7:02 AM

this weekend was quiet, question-wise

4 hours later…

10:46 AM

Can I run a possible question by anyone who might be here?

I'm not sure if it's a good fit

11:42 AM

@overactor I've returned; go for it

well

I want to ask something about contributing to projects that work with pull requests

ja

and how big changes should be before requesting a pull

but I'm not sure

a) if that can make a good question at all

b) from what perspective to ask it and how to phrase it

Answer will be that they can be very small

Hmmm... I'd say ask it and see. Scope still needs firming up and this could help on that front.

11:46 AM

I guess I'll just type it up, ask and see how it goes

if it gets closed I can edit

Exactly

and if it's unsalvageable, then we know a little bit more about our scope

11:58 AM

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Q: How big should pull requests be?

When contributing to an open source project that uses pull requests exclusively for contributions. I'm left wondering what a good time is for me to send a pull request. I'm especially in doubt when it come to implementing rather major features, should I implement the entire feature on my fork an...

contributor pull-request

And there's an answer

@ArtOfCode are you lucky luke?

@overactor Am I what?

user image

erm...

I get the feeling I'm missing something

12:01 PM

Fastest gun in the west

Lucky Luke is a fictional cowboy who shoots faster than his own shadow

you answered my question almost before I posted it.

Ooohh

I liked your question, so I started typing an answer a few minutes before you posted it :)

@ArtOfCode I figured as much

It seems like the community likes the question so far

oops, forgot to upvote your answer @ArtOfCode

Whoops xD

12:21 PM

@HDE226868 That might happen if the experts are watching for new questions in their area of interest

Interesting data: Votes over Time - number of upvotes cast each day. It's going down.

@ArtOfCode surprise, surprise - the number of posts is going down

@ArtOfCode I expect they'll stagnate and start a slow rise soon

Hmm. Also true I suppose.

can you graph votes per day / posts per day?

12:34 PM

Lemme give it a go

@ArtOfCode neat if you do that for SO you get an interesting cloud: data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/335866/…

@ratchetfreak aye, it's basically just a blob

yeah but the lower and upper limits are neat

SO averages 40k upvotes a day... jeez.

@ArtOfCode if we assume half of it is on questions - then 300K reputation are handed out daily

although half of it ends in reputation cap i assume

12:53 PM

Well I don't know what I've created but it's certainly not right. Can anyone here write better SQL than me?

@ArtOfCode do you have a link?

@Mnementh Well I made this but it just straight up doesn't work

1:16 PM

@ArtOfCode something is still off

@overactor well we could have a ratio of exactly 1...

@ArtOfCode every day?

ah but wait

my query is all wrong :p

That would tend to be an issue, yes

erm...

Interesting...

1:22 PM

@overactor don't order b posts, order by date

nope

apparently, I can't database

Neither can I :)

data.stackexchange.com/worldbuilding/query/edit/335910#graph

we all try the same thing

simply joining both tables will result in the same number of posts and votes per day, as all possible combinations will be made

also, the Votes table isn't just upvotes...

1:28 PM

probably I've hurriedly voted Am I right/ Is it ok?

Seems right to me, @Pandya

@Mnementh that's what I was thinking too

I'm taking this to SO

Here we are:

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Q: Why is this votes/posts ratio always 1?

I'm working with SEDE to create a graph of the ratio of votes to posts. Having eliminated all the actual errors, I'm faced with a new problem: for some reason, the ratio is always 1. This is the current SQL: SELECT CAST(p.CreationDate AS DATE) AS [CreationDate], COUNT(CAST(v.CreationDate ...

sql sql-server tsql dataexplorer

1:44 PM

@ArtOfCode maybe a different sort of join would work?

Possibly, though I wouldn't know. Apparently it's because the data's grouped on CreationDate, not that I know why that affects it or what to do instead.

1:56 PM

Should I not suggest my opinion as the name is finalized? or it may be featured

@Pandya it could still be changed

technically

The name can be changed at any point

Hell, if there's more than one we like we could rotate names every few weeks xD

@ArtOfCode I have mixed feelings about that.

I still like the Bazaar

I was a bit meh on that one. I liked the Off-License

@overactor but OP want to close

2:03 PM

Hadn't seen that. Oh well, you can still suggest names if you like

Yerro

@Zizouz212 Afternoon

Morning :)

Quick question: how many people here have any experience with C#?

Mono?

2:06 PM

My friend does...

@Eric Just C#, in general

No matter the IDE/frameworks, just the basic C# .NET setup

@ArtOfCode you mean c?

C Sharp (programming language)

C# (pronounced as see sharp) is a multi-paradigm programming language encompassing strong typing, imperative, declarative, functional, generic, object-oriented (class-based), and component-oriented programming disciplines. It was developed by Microsoft within its .NET initiative and later approved as a standard by Ecma (ECMA-334) and ISO (ISO/IEC 23270:2006). C# is one of the programming languages designed for the Common Language Infrastructure. C# is intended to be a simple, modern, general-purpose, object-oriented programming language. Its development team is led by Anders Hejlsberg. The most...

@Pandya No, I mean C#

ok

btw, I've not any experience wit c# :(

2:16 PM

@kdopen I see what you're saying

Do you not think that giving a general answer and adding a disclaimer that goes something like "But be aware that some projects work differently, but those will typically indicate this quite clearly." or so would be a good answer?

Again, your close vote stands and I can't say I don't see your point

Seems like my question is going to spend a good day among the HNQ's

2:31 PM

@Zizouz212 Shouldn't This question ('s title) be What is the difference between open source software and public domain software?

I give up: data.stackexchange.com/opensource/query/edit/335901

sorry: data.stackexchange.com/opensource/query/335988

@overactor So I've posted an answer, basically expanding my comments. I can withdraw the close vote if you want. As I said, it's a really valuable question, it's just that any "do it this way" answer is invariably an opinion

@kdopen Do as you wish with your close vote, it is yours after all.

I have this feeling that we'll have to be rather accepting of subjective-ish questions

knowing where the line is is very important

haha, gotcha: data.stackexchange.com/opensource/query/335999#graph

phew

With my "hedged" answer on the board, I've retracted the close request .. though someone else has joined in ;)

2:42 PM

@kdopen oh well, we'll see how it goes

@Mnementh looks rather steady-ish

slight positive trend if anything

@overactor yep, not any insight as i hoped

SO has a steady 3

data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/335999#graph

how do you do floating point division in SQL? Should smoothen the image a bit

cast(* as float)

Much like this: data.stackexchange.com/opensource/query/336001#graph

Well that changes up SO's image a bit: data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/336001#graph

2:49 PM

progs is odd as usual: data.stackexchange.com/programmers/query/336001#graph

@TrevorClarke you don't need to close any question that gets a close vote

even closed questions serve a purpose

Also, you might be able to rewrite them to fit the site.

@ratchetfreak that is strange

progs has changed its policy and has done a major cleanup in the past

Hang on, take a look at our meta and then tell me what post caused the spike to 38

*gets a SEDE query to get highes voted posts...*

2:53 PM

@ArtOfCode probably voting on the moderator nominations while no new posts were made

A search for created:2015-07-08 returns 2 posts, of which both score <=3

@ArtOfCode yep, only two posts, while the moderator nomination was still fresh

so it's a post from the day before

3:11 PM

You guys do a lot without me... What did I miss?

we compared vote count accross SEs

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Q: How big should pull requests be?

When contributing to an open source project that uses pull requests exclusively for contributions. I'm left wondering what a good time is for me to send a pull request. I'm especially in doubt when it come to implementing rather major features, should I implement the entire feature on my fork an...

contributor pull-request

Let's take a look

you're also a bit late to weigh into the hottest post of the day : )

Oh god... Which one

3:13 PM

Mine of course :)

I'm not missing out...

(which might also be opinion-based, maybe)

Don't all answers have opinion?

@Zizouz212 yeah, but there are gradations

I hope this one is just on the right side of opinion-based.

@Zizouz212 how so?

I'll write an answer :)

3:15 PM

@Zizouz212 make sure it's the best one out of the bunch then :P

Definitely will

@Zizouz212 Also, the chatbot got a few new features

gotta go now

might be back later

cya

sure cya

3:33 PM

ok, CYA has obviously changed its meaning

Erm... has it?

Cover Your A***

Ima back!

Uh

Um

Ok?

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5:16 PM

@Zizouz212 where's your answer? :)

Michael Schumacher

ah, finally - seems like the most recent SE login changes have fixed the chat login issue for some browsers

but... any reason why the chat room doesn't appear in a sidebar box right now?

5:34 PM

@MichaelSchumacher I haven't worked out the standards for that. It does, sometimes, more so on Meta than main, but only sometimes.

6:00 PM

@kdopen Textspeak, pronounced "see ya"

Hopefully that's not me being captain obvious/professor joke explainer

6:41 PM

@ratchetfreak The youth today greets with a friendly reminder to check your clothing ;-)

Of course, we're all incredibly friendly really, haven't you noticed? xD

:-)

3 hours later…

9:18 PM

Has anyone else got an email from community@stackexchange.com telling you how to use meta and chat? The incredibly patronising one?

@ArtOfCode yes, they send this to everyone a little after the public beta starts

They should probably rethink that a little bit...

it's not that patronizing, not everyone has used other SE sites before

9:34 PM

Aye, but given that they've previously sent me emails about the same site, and in the same email they congratulate you for making the leaderboard, that sort of says you know at least something...

Michael Schumacher

9:50 PM

well, that message made me realize that chat login works with iceweasel now, that's at least something

and more solid downvoting on poorly researched questions (aka answerable by fsf and osi faq) would be something that isn't done vigorously enough, it seems

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