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[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported question (93): Search Bar Spam Links by selena richard on ell.SE
 
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[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in answer (78): Specific question with direct/indirect speech by a deleted user on ell.SE
What did I do wrong here that the questioner had to rollback? I believe the tags could have been wrong, the ones I changed into. But what was wrong with the title? Seriously! I just tried to make it more accurate and unique.
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18:41
@EddieKal Hey! What do you think about this answer? ell.stackexchange.com/a/271735/77766
I was looking into this answer just a few minutes ago.
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While the answer is correct, I am not sure if the reasoning is something that a non-native (who is already struggling with the basic "what/if/whether" choice) would understand ... I mean those are some heavy words in the answer ... Someone who knows the meanings of those words, wouldn't be asking that question ...
The same problem I am having.
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@DhanishthaGhosh Don't worry about this ... It's the OP, not you!
18:57
I belong to the same category, somewhere near might be!
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19:12
Classic case of why the best student may very well never be a good teacher ...
19:42
@AIQ I think it is pretty straightforward
My first response upon reading that sentence is also "whether"
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Yeah straightforward - a bit too much maybe ...
What do you mean?
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> While the answer is correct, I am not sure if the reasoning is something that a non-native (who is already struggling with the basic "what/if/whether" choice) would understand ... I mean those are some heavy words in the answer ... Someone who knows the meanings of those words, wouldn't be asking that question ...
Yeah BillJ always does that
I mean too much grammar jargon could be detrimental to learning the idiomatic use of a language
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It might even discourage non-natives ... too many technical terms are scary
I think someone posted a question in Meta a while ago - how we should try and explain things with non-technical terms where possible
19:48
But I feel like I am not innocent in that regard either. I have that tendency too. I guess that's why I have a penchant for answers from snail, BillJ, araucuria (did I butcher this?), stoneyB
I am partial to those people's answers because I've learned a lot from them
But I guess you are right
BillJ is over doing it
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Yeah they are all excellent ... I love some of snail's answers ...
And another thing is BillJ, unlike some other knowledgeable contributors, doesn't seem to like to explain things
A lot of one liner comments/answers
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Explaining things are essential ... for us, non-native speakers, to improve our English proficiency
More than once I've commented under his comments/answers asking him to elaborate, and more than once he just ignored me
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For instance, you might understand what he wrote because you know what those terms mean, and of course, because you are a native speaker ... but I for one, am not familiar with many of those technical terms
> requires as complement a subordinate interrogative clause (embedded question) introduced by one of the interrogative subordinators
19:53
@EddieKal That's sad
@AIQ No, I am a heritage speaker. There is a difference. And that difference is why I came to ELL in the first place.
@AIQ I was looking into this sentence for far too long, but gave up at the end. sighs
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@EddieKal Wait what is that ... so many secrets ...
@EddieKal Heritage speaker?
Sorry to prop into both of your conversation.
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> ... subordinate interrogative ... interrogative subordinators
No worries ...
19:56
Parents native speakers, but I grew up in places where English was not spoken. So the only contact I had with English was at home. Up until a certain point.
Understandable
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@EddieKal Tell me you grew up in Russia ...
In that case I am heritage Bengali speaker, if that's even a valid term.
Europe and Asia
But I don't really talk about this online
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@DhanishthaGhosh So you grew up in a family where your parents spoke Bangla?
@EddieKal Talk about what online? Already forgotten
19:58
@AIQ Lol
@AIQ Yes. Bengali family. But I grew up outside West Bengal where there are rarely people heard of speaking this language.
@DhanishthaGhosh You are probably the 2nd or 3rd Bengali/Bangla speaker I've met on SE
@EddieKal Wow, that's interesting. I never found many people here.
Except one named Soumya Ghosh.
He/she has the same name as my brother's. Coincidentally same surname too.
We have an irregular contributor on ELL who boasts Bengali/Bangla as their first language (or second).
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@DhanishthaGhosh Where your family from Kolkata?
Bangla is beautiful!
20:03
@AIQ No, it actually is the district Howrah, very popular place because of its majestic train routes and most number of platforms in India.
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@DhanishthaGhosh Nice!
@AIQ I am sure all non-Bengali people I have ever met in my small whole life has the same view.
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@EddieKal Who are the rest?
@AIQ I can't remember. I think I have talked with maybe someone else who also mentioned Bangla
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@DhanishthaGhosh That didn't come from a non-Bengali person though! ;)
20:06
@EddieKal Highly unrecognisable as Bengali. But I take your word for it. They might have conversed with you all, long before I dropped in here at ELL.
@AIQ What really? You are Bengali??
Pardon my surprise and excitement
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@DhanishthaGhosh One trick to tell if someone is from India, Bangladesh, or Pakistan, is to go look for their words/writings/opinions on food.
Verbose is, as Eddie mentioned, Bengali ... How do I know that? See this:
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Q: Using maida + bread flour to create AP flour substitute

verboseThis is a follow-up to my earlier question about using bread flour instead of all-purpose flour in a banana bread recipe. The consensus was that using bread flour would yield a denser, chewier loaf, which could be undesirable (or perhaps desirable, depending on the eaters' preferences). Among t...

@DhanishthaGhosh Yeah, more like a common Bengali term - because everyone in Bangladesh says that ...
But that's a common Hindi term
People here, in Mumbai, say the same
I mean some people may say "refined wheat flour" but if you go looking for regional variants, they are used here as well.
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ooopss what did I just edit? meant to send as reply
@EddieKal So silent ... say something, it's Sunday!
Wait Eddie, you are in California, right?
@AIQ Yeah they say Bengalis are epicures.
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@DhanishthaGhosh Yes, absolutely!
20:14
I am no where near. shrugs Don't know why!
I am surprised at seeing ColleenV back. The first time I saw her was when I was a week into here (ELL). Then I discovered last month that she was once a moderator. I rarely saw here the past few months. And now I can see here editing the posts. Glad she is back!
Just a query, Colleen is a girl's name, am I right in thinking so? I am very poor with judging gender by seeing name.
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ColleenV is a women ... But "Colleen" can be a guys name too ... Also, "Colin" - pronounced the same way
Yeah ColleenV is semi-retired ...
@AIQ Thank God. Some foreign names are so confusing. I always try to be as polite as I can, never know when they will feel bad.
It all started with when I referred a girl named Sam as 'he'. Turns out it was short for Samantha.
I am not keen on repeating the same mistake again.
Any idea how to avoid this or get around this? In case of first time online communication.
Sorry I got dragged away
in The Reading Room, Nov 11 '20 at 20:05, by verbose
@Tsundoku Oh I knew that. I was just responding to @EddieKal's question about whether Bengali literature and Bangla literature were the same thing. In certain contexts, they're not. In LitSE, they are. I'm not arguing about that; I really don't care either way.
in The Reading Room, Nov 11 '20 at 19:33, by verbose
There is a Bangal/Bangla distinction which is an Eastern Bengali/Western Bengali split. Bangal or Eastern Bengali is the vernacular of Bangladesh and also the Indian state of Tripura. It is considered dialectal; Western Bengali, the language spoken in the Indian state of West Bengal, is considered standard.
in The Reading Room, Nov 11 '20 at 10:38, by verbose
Ah, I see. Thanks. As for "plenty of good answers", well, I was working on the big election and it's all over but the shouting, so I have time on my hands now. πŸ™ƒ I also just got lucky that the topic challenge was Tagore. I grew up speaking Bengali (albeit as a third or fourth language), plus Tagore is out of copyright, so that makes poking around the interwebs to find the requested answers much easier. Not that I needed to poke around to recognize the language of "This Dog" 🐢😜
Okay, I misremembered
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in The Reading Room, Nov 12 '20 at 9:19, by verbose
In decreasing order of fluency:
- English (speak, read, write natively)
- Hindustani (speak, read, write more or less natively in the Hindi register; can't read the Urdu register but can hold my own in conversation)
- Marathi (speak and read with near-native fluency; write with some hesitation)
- Bengali (speak, but very out of practice, and come across now as a non-native speaker; read only with difficulty; can't write, can type)
- French (read pretty easily, write passably, can't really converse)
@EddieKal There is a certain level of debate about this. Some say Bangla is Bangladeh's language, owing to the fact the name was coined from it. Some say the other way round.
@DhanishthaGhosh Yeah, that's what I thought. But Verbose seemed to think otherwise. I don't really know much about this topic, so...
20:30
@EddieKal Oh dear quite a few ha!
@EddieKal Write natively, that means they grew up in California or somewhere else other than India.
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@DhanishthaGhosh Yeah like they may have been born and raised in the US, and their parents might very well be from India
Fair to say Bangla is their heritage language?
@DhanishthaGhosh he said he grew up in Mumbai
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Yeah, that makes sense ...
Be right back!
@EddieKal Oh dear. I staying in Mumbai can't really say English is my native language. It is, as I refer, my second language.
Though I am still unsure how people define these terms
Sorry Eddie and AIQ, can't hang out any longer. It is 02:00 am. Time for bed!
Will talk to you guys tomorrow. Good night.
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20:41
Good night!

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