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Man_From_India

03:02

@Araucaria I was wrong. I re-read it over again and spotted the misunderstanding I previously had. I was not very careful last time and read it in a jiffy. Under the column named non-canonical clause there are some sentences listed. At quick glance I thought those sentences are non-canonical, but the text clarified later that the non-canonical portion (clause) is actually the underlined clauses and not the whole clause listed under the heading.

Sorry for the misleading question.

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CowperKettle

04:35

CopperKettle's poem of the day: For Tanya Kelbas

> Blessed is she who midst the towering blocks
Can like a hummingbird in meadows hover,
With field of asphalt for a field of clover,
And flocks of passers-by for pastoral flocks.

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Rajat Audichya

11:00

The more, attractive the packaging, the more will be the willingness to buy it

is this sentence grammatically correct?

how do we construct such sentences?

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It's about English

12:06

What about my sentences? Are they natural?

userr2684291

12:40

@RajatAudichya ell.stackexchange.com/search?q=the+more+the

@It'saboutEnglish Feel free to ask on the main site. That way it'll help more people. (:

parvin

12:56

Guys would you help me in here please? :

Q: Which of the sentences bellow are correct when using "neither"?

For saying : "she does not eat with us, neither does she stay for night", which sentence is correct to use instead? "She does not eat with us, neither stays for night". "She does not eat with us, neither does stay for night".

Any help in here!?

Is ot correct to say "he doesn't eat neither does he talk"?

It's about English

13:26

But I did....@userr2684291

No one replied to it,maybe they didn't get the question...

Q: Where did we come out at/end up at

My mom was showing me around the city,so that I don't get lost and I know my way around when I'm alone. She kept asking me where we were. We were driving down a narrow street with huge buildings all around.(it looked like a close placed as the street was too narrow),when that street ended,a "T-j...

word-usage spoken-english

userr2684291

@It'saboutEnglish You're asking which expression to use when you emerge from a narrower road onto a wider one, right?

After two days have passed since you first asked a question you can place a bounty on it, which means you give up some of your reputation points (50, 100, etc.) and the question gets placed in the Featured Questions section, I believe. You can then award this bounty to whatever answer you think deserves it.

Anyway, it's a good question, but maybe try to word it a little better. It's not very clear in its present form.

I think your suggested expressions come close to it, and are probably idiomatic in that situation (or with some adjustments), and I'd help you if I knew the answer. But unfortunately I don't read that many books with real-world situations in them, or use this sort of vocabulary, since I don't live in an English-speaking country to face these situations myself.

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Anonymous

16:00

@CowperKettle I like it, but I don't think hover and clover rhyme for most speakers. I don't think they rhymed historically either, even though the spellings look similar.

Araucaria

16:10

@Man_From_India No worries. Did Geoff Pullum get back to you?

Hi there monoped. How's it going?

@snailboat
Hi there monoped. How's it going? (oops forgot to address it)

@parvin I'm not sure why you deleted that question. It looks ok to me. First thing to say, maybe, is that we ususally say stay the night instead of stay for night.

@parvin Now that's out of the way, the kind of grammar you are using in your examples requires a coordinator. In this case you could use either or or nor:

- She does not ease with us, or stay the night

- She does not eat with us, nor stay(s) the night

You could also have two sentences:

- She does not eat with us. Neither does she stay the night.

But that uses the adverb neither.

CowperKettle

16:29

@snailboat Oh!

I'll check now their pronunciations

wooordhunt.ru/word/clover

wooordhunt.ru/word/hover

They do rhyme a bit, don't they?

Judging by the pronunciations on this website

@snailboat Do you mean to say they don't rhyme because "hover" is pronounced with a after h?

But that website indicates |ˈhɒvə|

Which is almost like "o"

> There is a street in Longmont Colorado spelled "Hover", but it's pronounced as rhyming with "clover". That took me by surprise when I lived there briefly in the late 90s.

arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=1289095

Anonymous

16:58

Hello! :-)

Anonymous

@CowperKettle Oh, um, maybe. Subjectively they feel rather different to me, but it's a poem so it's an aesthetic choice you make yourself.

Anonymous

It's interesting, though. Sometimes when we look back at poems written centuries ago, we see words that don't quite rhyme for us, but they did rhyme back when the poems were written.

Araucaria

@CowperKettle It works better in British English, imo. The two still don't ryhme but clover is still kind of echoic of hover. Works quite well. I think it might be because British LOT is rounded. Gen Am LOT isn't.

CowperKettle

@snailboat There are YouTube records of actors reciting Shakespeare as it was in his times, and the pronunciation differs quite.

"differs quite" reminds me of Shakespeare's "razed quite"

> The painful warrior famoused for fight,
After a thousand victories once foiled,
Is from the book of honour razed quite,
And all the rest forgot for which he toiled

@Araucaria I'm afraid I don't know what LOT stands for ))

Anonymous

@CowperKettle It's a way of talking about vowels: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lexical_sets

Araucaria

17:14

@CowperKettle Ah, it's a way of referring to the vowel that we use in the word lot. We do that because the vowel sounds we use in English don't have names. The vowel for that word is /ɒ/ in SSBE (Standard British), but ... oh, hold on, Gen Am uses STRUT in hover, /ʌ/. (Still unrounded)

My Gen Am pron is pretty rubbish.

Man_From_India

@Araucaria yes he did and he said the same thing that you said about it. I will forward you his reply though. I am feeling a little embarrssed for bothering him for no actual reason, mainly my misunderstanding and carelessness.

Araucaria

@Man_From_India I don't think he'll be too worried about it :)

Man_From_India

@Araucaria naturally, but I feel bad :)

Araucaria

17:29

@Man_From_India If it helps, I've done pretty much the same thing ... (with someone else)

Man_From_India

@Araucaria it feels better in that way :P

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