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I wonder if Chambers Dictionary will have a new edition later this year.
Collins English Dictionary just had a new edition in November last year.
 
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@snailboat That's why I wrote the poem
 
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Anonymous
09:18
Would anyone really say this? 15 degrees clockwise or counterclockwise? Do people generally understand angles other than the major divisions of a circle (180, 90, 45, etc) without a protractor in their hand? — Michael Harvey 27 mins ago
Anonymous
This is an actually an interesting question. The other day I mentioned turning 225 degrees, and the person I was talking to didn't seem to be able to process the number mentally very easily. I thought it was a nice even multiple of 45, so I thought it'd be easy.
Anonymous
Also, there was no need in context to say clockwise or counterclockwise.
Anonymous
Anyway, I'm reminded of that because my intuition says everyone should understand how big 15° is pretty easily, but my intuition could very well be wrong.
09:31
@Cardinal Hey, I'm not the one slacking off! Mostly. Happy Nowruz
@snailboat When the trigonometry course finishes, radians and angles larger than 180 degrees vanish
Anonymous
Trig was 25 years ago for me.
@snailboat It was a very resonating course
Also babbles about geological timescale and makes it seem relevant to make an outrageous implication
Anonymous
I think it was one of my all-time favorite math courses, actually.
Anonymous
If I were less sleep deprived, I’d follow up with some puns.
@snailboat Good teacher, or stress-free course?
Anonymous
09:42
Well, both. I was several years ahead, so I had the super excited teacher who got to teach kids who actually wanted to learn.
I've felt different ways about the same courses taught by different teachers
Anonymous
But really, I was talking more about the subject matter.
Even different textbooks
@snailboat Mhm, pretty engaging
It's not memorizing plant genuses/genera/geni/genies/genes that you will forget as soon as you're out of the exam hall
BTW, congrats J.R. on reaching 100k
I wonder what food preservatives he uses
Our oranges become fungi fest after a week
Anonymous
I never memorized those things.
Anonymous
I will say I’ve forgotten quite a bit about calculus.
09:58
AFAICT, calculus is a mess at higher levels. Subjects like that easily fall into the trap of memorizeable math at school-level
I would link to xkcd but it seems like it's censored
Anonymous
Frown.
10:39
@snailboat Have you ever used it in your professional career so far regardless of whether it required basic recognition or deeper understanding of some of the related concepts?
10:51
Also, 225 degrees isn't an intuitive angle for me either, but I do know it's located in the 3rd quadrant. The 180+45 decomposition doesn't quite suggest itself immediately. We mostly worked with radians in high school / uni, in any event, so I do know where 5π/4 is intuitively.
11:03
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ What do you mean? Calculus 1 (derivatives, integrals) is basically just learning those tables. I have yet to meet a genius who has a derivation- or whatever based approach to, e.g. derivatives, that isn't just memorizing.
I'm just wondering if all that math is ever gonna be useful to me.
11:40
Hello, is "come in first" only used for race or can it be used for exams as well. Like: She came in first.(She came first or second scored the highest).
Anonymous
Calculus, no, linear algebra and trigonometry, quite often.
Anonymous
I mean, some of the basic concepts behind calculus, yes, but that’s about it.
12:39
Right, thank you. That's what I thought.
So is it natural?
@It'saboutEnglish I'm not a native speaker of English, and I wouldn't use it there.
I mean, it works, it works for everything, but I don't know if that's the first, most idiomatic thing people would use there.
@It'saboutEnglish Feel free to ask on the main site, at any rate.
Even if you ask here and someone gives you an answer.
By the way, you can say I can't make out the picture. I asked one of my friends yesterday and they told me that it can be said. She told me it's short for I can't make out what's in the picture. To me, that sort of leap is illogical, but it definitely looks like a "language thing".
(Because, in my view, in the assumed context, you can definitely make out the picture – it's right there, in front of you or whatever; what you can't make out is what the image represents.)
13:03
@Kaspar I think the discussion I linked you to pretty much answers your question. Does it not?
@userr2684291 Actually, I never really read that, because I didn't think it would answer the question. I thought snail would just give me a simple answer directly, but never mind now. =)
Sorry for trying.
@userr2684291 Of course, all those derivatives can be proven, but the proofs are too complicated to show in a beginning calculus course.
13:25
@userr2684291 apology accepted
@It'saboutEnglish natural != correct, but you probably already know that
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13:50
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ , What do you mean?
@Kaspar A derivative of a function at some point is by definition a formula which involves computing a limit. The "proof" therefore consists of plugging variables into this formula and applying some basic algebra and, in some cases, known trigonometric identities.
What I was trying to say is that it boils down to memorizing the end results because I think it's difficult to think of these "proofs" every time you're plugging something in, basically.
14:27
I have no idea why some weird things are starred in this chat.
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@userr2684291 Personally, I usually remembered things like that better if I understood the why, not just the what.
 
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Eh, it's all still pretty much short-term "operating knowledge".
But when it comes to learning that stuff, I used some mnemonics instinctively, and just rote learned the tables. It's problematic when there's only little variation between them, as is the case with area functions (trigonometric ones), so you end up with around 20 or more similar-looking expressions (integrals + derivatives). What I'd do once I received the exam is write them down so that I don't have to think, lol.
Some of my online acquaintances that attend universities like Cambridge use Anki to learn proofs. I find that simply idiotic.

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