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18:00

@snailboat IKR, it feels good knowing medical stuff a normal person doesn't have the slightest idea of

Captain Bohemian

@snailboat when I was admitted to university, every freshman is required to have a health exam. I was shown to have unusually low blood pressure and require notice, but I don't think that's a big deal, because I had that health exam during my hunger time. I just got no time to go to eat before going to that health exam.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Funnest part of rare illnesses if you ask me

Anonymous

@CaptainBohemian Blood pressure can certainly vary. How low was it? Mine is naturally low, but that's typical of my family.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

My BP is always so annoyingly low for a CRF patient

80

Anonymous

My family has low blood pressure and low heart rates (bradycardia).

Anonymous

18:02

80 systolic?

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@snailboat yep

Anonymous

That's lower than mine.

Anonymous

They don't like it when my systolic gets below 90.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

They have double my BP in the center, haha

Captain Bohemian

@snailboat high blood pressure is in the normal low blood pressure range and low blood pressure is lower than the normal low blood pressure range.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

18:03

@snailboat which is my high score these days

Anonymous

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Oh, that's no fun. Some days my systolic can get over 100.

Anonymous

Do you have to take any medication for that?

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@CaptainBohemian the high BP you refer to is called "systolic" and low BP is "diastolic" :)

@snailboat there's this drug called Medodirin or what, not sure of the spelling, taken 2 hours before dialysis to increase BP. It never worked though

Captain Bohemian

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ ok, I was just trying to guess what systolic means.Thank you for telling me.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

I guess my bulkiness is the cause for low BP?

@CaptainBohemian a fact nugget a day keeps Wikipedia away

Anonymous

18:07

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ The nurses at the infusion center always tell me to drink a lot more water. It never helps, though.

Anonymous

I mean, I drink a lot of water already :-)

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

I like water. It tastes awesome. I can't drink a lot of it though :(

Anonymous

Oh, is that for medical reasons?

Captain Bohemian

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ I don't like drinking water unless I am really thirsty.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@CaptainBohemian that's not a healthy habit for a normal person

Anonymous

18:09

It actually depends to some extent on what you eat and how much.

Anonymous

Natural whole foods tend to have a lot of water in them.

Anonymous

Processed foods, not so much.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@snailboat well, they extract the extra weight in my blood in dialysis that should have been urine, and I shouldn't lose too much weight at once

Especially considering low BP

Captain Bohemian

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ but I don't usually feel thirsty unless after I do fierce exercise.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

I have sometimes lost as much as 4.5 kg, and it's not fun

Anonymous

18:10

Oh, that's a lot.

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@CaptainBohemian I mean, drinking water before you're thirsty enough to say "I'm thirsty" is a good thing

@snailboat It's good for BMI though :p

Captain Bohemian

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ if I drink too much water when I am not thirsty, I would feel like vomiting.

I'm going to solve my hunger trouble. May come back later.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@CaptainBohemian don't drink too much water at once, obviously. Small cup every now and then

userr2684291

18:36

The store had already closed when I came there.

@snailboat Huh. Funny story...

@snailboat I googled a random hostname because I'd never seen that host before...

@snailboat And stuff... I swear, I wasn't even trying to find something like that.

Know what I mean? Ended up playing, um, Metroid 2.

(The game of my childhood.)

Anonymous

18:57

No comment :-)

userr2684291

Hahah.

Sorry for not making much sense, people!

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

19:21

@userr2684291 we should be apologizing for that?

userr2684291

19:36

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Just trying to defuse the awkwardness. : )

userr2684291

19:55

ell.stackexchange.com/questions/166073/…

Welp.

Haha.

Anonymous

Sorry, I got there before you.

userr2684291

(:

New Meta Question

20:08

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Q: Extra Moderation

I haven't been active on this site until recent months so I'm not accoustomed yet. But I have been in Stack Overflow main site for a few years and I have not experienced there anything like this. Point 1 A few weeks back I noticed that some comments were being deleted for no apparently reason. ...

discussion

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

20:24

@NewMetaQuestion @Cat whoops, one non-mod person rejected that edit . . .

Lack of coffee?

Catija

We have (or had) a pretty strict policy about not changing the quoted text of the question so that we didn't inadvertently miss part of the actual question.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@Catija ayep. He's irked that Colleen didn't improve edit, but chose to reject and edit. That's not what I'm saying though

Two people rejected that edit, not just the moderator. Also, after you earn 2000 reputation, you no longer earn reputation for edits, so the moderator didn't earn any reputation for editing the post. ell.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/71746 — Catija 16 mins ago

I'm nitpicking that bots aren't people

Which is a good nitpick. High quality. +1

I want a "nice nitpick" badge

Catija

Oh... I missed Community.... Technically, Colleen hitting "reject and edit" was what caused Community to reject the edit.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Yeah, and you can't edit the comment

userr2684291

Is there a case where you need three people to decide what to do with a suggested edit?

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

20:32

Ha ha ha ha

That's me and Community laughing

@userr2684291 reject approve reject

Tie breaker

userr2684291

Ah, right.

But it can't be three people rejecting it...

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Also, I think SO requires 3 approves instead of 2

@userr2684291 @Cat is technically wrong. Diamond lost

userr2684291

The worst kind of wrong.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

We'll see a nonblue @Cat in 3600, 3599, 3598 . . .

@userr2684291 Oooof tell me about it

userr2684291

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Which, ironically, will make her blue.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

20:37

I just realized mods are people of color

No wonder they're so marginalized on SE

All the moddist insults

userr2684291

I knew it.

Anonymous

I agree it should have been rejected. I posted a meta answer.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@userr2684291 what, you're secretly a mod?

userr2684291

No, I knew snailplane was typing up an answer, lol.

I was trying to remember some word.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@userr2684291 oh, dang. I thought I could throw a moddist remark at you so you'd realize what it meant months later

@userr2684291 Word 2015?

Huh, so Nathan is alive

Or maybe I'm dead

userr2684291

20:45

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ No, 'tis Japaneez.

Anonymous

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Nathan Tuggy is one of our finest reviewers.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@userr2684291 ワード 2015?

@snailboat I know, I thought he was in the back-to-real-life phase

Oh crud

There's a loud wedding outside

Tonight's sleep is going to be refreshing.

Anonymous

Can you give a citation for "computor" being the original spelling? Wiktionary has a non-specific reference for this, but trying to follow it up gets nowhere. — Nathan Tuggy Apr 6 at 4:38

Anonymous

Intrigued, I checked the OED, which defines computor thusly:

Anonymous

> bad spelling of computer.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

20:51

Noice

Catija

My first thought was that it was applied to the person doing the computing, not the machine.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Which is the original spelling of "nice"

Anonymous

Yeah, computer was originally an occupation, I think, but the -er spelling goes back to the earliest citations in the OED.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Computator

Anonymous

> 1. One who computes; a calculator, reckoner; spec. a person employed to make calculations in an observatory, in surveying, etc.

1646 Sir T. Browne Pseud. Ep. vi. vi. 289 The Calenders of these computers.
1704 Swift T. Tub vii, A very skilful computer.
1744 Walpole Lett. H. Mann 18 June, Told by some nice computors of national glory.
1855 Brewster Newton II. xviii. 162 To pay the expenses of a computer for reducing his observations.

Anonymous

20:54

So they have one attestation there for computor, but most of the attestations in that meaning have the -er spelling.

Anonymous

It doesn't look like the difference in spelling is used systematically to reflect a difference in meaning.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

First typo in history?

Anonymous

> 1944 Times 8 July 2/2 The Mark XIV consists of‥a rectangular box called the computor, which might be described as the brains of the machine.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

I guess the first typo goes back to, like, 3500 B.C.

Anonymous

There's a computor attestation in the other meaning.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

20:55

And it's like a guy who's time travelled to the future

OMG HOLY CRAP I am holding a rectangular smart blackboard that senses my fingors magically

userr2684291

@snailboat Webster('s Third New International Dictionary) said "also computor". But I think the OED trumps every other dictionary with respect to that.

But then again I think I read in MWDEU that in the 17th (your example is from the 18th century but still) century people didn't care that much about spelling according to some standard, but merely writing the spoken word down somehow.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@userr2684291 Merriam Webster's dictionary of English . . . Uncle?

userr2684291

Now, "bad spelling of computer" is, in my humble opinion, a bad definition, haha. A bad spelling?

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@userr2684291 rotten. Full of microbes

Dusty computers

userr2684291

( :

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

21:07

That looks like a bad spelling of :)

userr2684291

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ ...Usage, by the way.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@userr2684291 Uncle Usage sounds . . . Nonlinguistic

Anonymous

@userr2684291 Yeah, there was a gradual transition toward spelling being more and more standardized. The two factors there are the spread of the printing press, and the gradually increasing distance between the Middle English pronunciation represented by English spelling and the Modern English pronunciation it became.

Anonymous

And I suppose social factors. People want to appear educated, yanno?

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

So. People became bureaucrats

Anonymous

21:09

English spelling did change rather arbitrarily over the years as it became more standardized.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@snailboat that's a bad spelling of "y'know"

"Y'know" is obviously more educated. It uses apostrophes

Anonymous

Why do we spell possessive its without an apostrophe now? We never used to have a problem with the apostrophe, but now it's an error for some reason.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Speaking of which, Journeyman on meta.SE will give me my Copy Editor with his apostrophelessness

About the comments, as I've stated, I'm an active user of StackOverflow, I don't know the other sites very well, but your policy is less lenient, in my opinion — RubioRic 15 mins ago

Anonymous

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ That's very kind of him.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Ah, darn. I knew that conclusion would be drawn

meta.stackexchange.com/posts/310069/revisions

userr2684291

21:13

> When ain't was first used in writing in the early 18th century, the spelling represented a way of pronouncing the word.

Anonymous

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ I like spaced en dashes – like these – more than spaced em dashes.

userr2684291

Me too.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Em-dash is so long. So educated

This is the 21st century. Obsolete stuff shows education

userr2684291

But I think the spaces around en-dashes are too wide, hehe.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

It's never perfect

Anonymous

21:17

Well then – something like this? Seems a tad narrow to me.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Unless I post it, of course

userr2684291

@snailboat I think that's better.

Anonymous

I'd rather use an unspaced em dash than an en dash with thin spaces.

userr2684291

Different strokes...

Anonymous

Yeah. You know, I'm surprised how often I see spaced em dashes.

Anonymous

21:19

I started paying attention a few years ago.

Anonymous

I noticed people just do, well, whatever.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

I forget stuff like that and hope HTML entities work

Anonymous

No one does the same thing as anyone else.

Anonymous

Three hours, one close vote: ell.stackexchange.com/q/166114/230

Anonymous

I haven't unilaterally closed it with 'Details, please!' . . . yet.

userr2684291

21:21

I think that's a good question. Like, what can they add? Their opinion?

Anonymous

For one thing, formatting. That's not a reason to close, but "here is my homework" isn't a great starting point . . .

userr2684291

It's a typical learner question, something I might wonder about, and it doesn't seem like it's straight up homework.

Anonymous

> ( that -for that-for which -which )

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@userr2684291 I hate homework

userr2684291

That leads me to believe it's one of those "error spotting" questions.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

21:23

I want an indication that they want to learn the answer

userr2684291

Lol.

Well, okay, maybe it is homework. At least they didn't post the other ten sentences...

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@userr2684291 that is an indication that . . . They know txtspk

Anonymous

Well, homework isn't automatically off-topic or anything.

userr2684291

Right.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Should be. BRING THE PITCHFORKS

Anonymous

21:26

Look, in the past half screen of chat we have:

Anonymous

...
. . .
. . .

Anonymous

Who will bring order to this chaos?

userr2684291

I don't know.. .

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

My lazy ellipses are superior

Anonymous

Whoever took the apostrophe out of its, we need them here to figure out our ellipsis problem.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

21:26

@userr2684291 . .. .

Anonymous

I've seen some non-native speakers write three commas before.

Anonymous

I don't think I've ever seen a native speaker do that, so I've always wondered if it was due to influence from how their L1 is typically written.

userr2684291

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ .... . .-.. .-.. ---

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Haha, and don't get me started with :-

@userr2684291 just say SOS Mr. Imitation Game

Anonymous

I shouldn't even say typically there . ... . .. I'm betting it's not particularly normal in any orthography.

userr2684291

21:29

@snailboat I've noticed this as well, but I've also seen older people doing this (they don't see/care).

Anonymous

@userr2684291 It looks like homework in part because the for seems to be there to test their ability to identify for a long time as a PP.

Anonymous

@userr2684291 Well, people can be native speakers but not native writers, so I wouldn't be surprised if this sort of thing isn't isolated to learners.

Anonymous

Definitely not very common, though.

userr2684291

Mhm.

But I have known a couple of native speakers who used them consistently; they kept separating sentences using those "and so it went,,,,,,but I dont think,,,, well" etc. It reminds me of, um, a certain user who uses punctuation inconsistently and unconventionally in pretty much each of their replies.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@userr2684291 me,.,.,.,!!choo-choo^_€£¥?

userr2684291

21:37

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Nah.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Fred McGiff? I don't even know him

Hey @Fred

He's silently sitting there, like a silent guardian, a watchful protector €£__£¥€%=$#/ . . .

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Q: Can an argument be valid even though one of its premises is false?

Is it possible for an argument to be valid by virtue of its logical form, but contain a false premise? In other words, can a premise be false even though the argument itself is logically valid? Thanks in advance! (For context: the initial question was whether an argument can be false even thoug...

logic validity soundness

I like this stuff.

userr2684291

Wow, foofaraw is actually rare. It perfectly describes the above situation regarding punctuation, though.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Catija's Bennett can't make an omelette. He's a human. @userr is a human. @userr can't make an omelette

Shame on you, userr

Huh, I don't need the extra r to ping you

userr2684291

):

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Unless you're an elf

userr2684291

21:51

You can just type @usë.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Then you can probably make an omelette

Really green, disgusting omelette full of weird vegetables

But eating it will make you immortal

If you had to do or eat a very discussing thing to become immortal, would you have done it?

userr2684291

Of course.

I'm prepared for all kinds of discussy things.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Darn autocrat

@userr2684291 are you sure?

userr2684291

Not really.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

So imaginarily sure?

That's, well-played

userr2684291

21:57

Hm... yes, definitely: the situation is complex. ( :

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

I should sleep now

userr2684291

Good night.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Not because it's 2:30 a.m., but because I'm running out of battery

Like, running in the street, throwing batteries at people

@userr2684291 Night

userr2684291

Usually people say My battery's dying.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@userr2684291 Do I look like people to you?

userr2684291

22:01

Running out of battery just doesn't look very idiomatic, I think.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

It definitely does past midnight

userr2684291

Maybe you wanted My battery's running out?

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@userr2684291 mister Google says it's being used

So I'm not a total weirdo

Good enough for me

userr2684291

Hah, the first thing I get is some forum thread about that same thing.

Hm, okay. You're right, it's actually used.

Hm, the people in that forum say it sounds colloquial to them. Meh, it's okay. Sorry for telling you otherwise, but I'm sure the expressions I mentioned are okay.

I'm going to bed myself. G'night.

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