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02:35
I hope I do not need to tell that I ask the question only after browsing through the dictionaries.
The army rounded ________ (off??) the insurgents last night.
As always, word in brackets indicates my effort.
Anonymous
I would guess they're looking for rounded up.
okay
@snailplane This meaning: To seek out and bring some people or things together; gather some people or things:
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Is this correct: The narrator's filial affection for his daughter...
I am falling short of words. Please help. What is the term given to the human relation developed due to kindness of one person (while the other's the receiver).
Is there any specific term for this Human relation?
Or is it appropriate to say 'bond of benevolence'?
Is it correct to say: There's also a realm of maternal love portrayed in the story.
 
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05:14
> This is the 8th of March!
(0:
International Women's Day (IWD), originally called International Working Women's Day, is celebrated on March 8 every year. In different regions the focus of the celebrations ranges from general celebration of respect, appreciation and love towards women for their economic, political and social achievements. An effective Women's Day was the 1975 Icelandic women's strike which paved the way for the first female president in the world, Vigdís Finnbogadóttir. In some regions, the day lost its political flavor and became simply an occasion for people to express their love for women in a way somewhat...
06:11
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Q: Why is meaning mentioned as both allowed and not allowed?

sazzy4oLet me elaborate. A little while after answering a question I came back to check on it and noticed that is was put on-hold. Then I read the hold box and it read, "[b]asic questions on spelling, meaning or pronunciation are off-topic." Then I thought wait isn't "meaning" listed under the "[w]hat t...

 
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08:21
Morning @Cowp
@M.A.R. Good morning!
@CowperKettle How's you doing this fine Friday?
@Cowp which should I call you? Artyom, Tyoma or Tyom, or something else?
!!greet/user273
Welcome to ELL's chat room @user273! Happy chatting!
Everything I answer ends up getting to HNQ -__-
08:53
@M.A.R. Tyoma is great
I'm translating (0:
09:14
What really matters (A)/ in the struggle for life (B)/ is to overcome one's fear. (C)/ No error (D)
I say B but not sure why
09:30
@user62015 The sentence sounds fine to me
@CowperKettle K Tyoma.
am here
No error
No other newspaper (A)/ has so large a circulation (B)/ like this newspaper in India.(C)/ No error (D)
What do you think about that?
@user62015 Seems awkward, marginal or wrong
I think C
like this newspaper in India
Yep
Can we add something before India
?
09:45
No, I think it should be "as" instead of "like"
Okay.
Makes sense
Thanks.
10:08
Hi.
10:19
@M.A.R. since I am just two years younger to you.. I am curious to know whether you are pursuing a degree in English?
@Abcd Nope; I'm just an enthusiast
@M.A.R. Great! So what's your field? I mean what are you pursuing for higher education?
@Snail Sometimes I answer a question by retagging it!
@Abcd There's an unfortunate situation in Iran in which everyone, whether they like it or not, is trying to pursue a degree in medical sciences because they have become the topmost fields. That's what I have to follow as well.
@M.A.R. Oh.. Okay. In India everyone's hankering for getting into "IIT"
10:36
@Abcd What topics does this IIT cover?
@M.A.R. These are Government engineering institutes in India... looked upon by the masses as the best ones. Moreover, its entrance exam is classified as one of the toughest ones in the world.
Anonymous
@user62015 It could be. I'm not sure what the struggle for life really means here, so I'm having some trouble understanding the sentence, but the whole thing is grammatical, so "No error (D)" would be a reasonable choice.
Anonymous
But maybe if you can figure out what the sentence is supposed to mean, you can tell whether (B) should be changed or not.
Anonymous
I'm not sure how I'd answer that question myself.
@Abcd If the major you like to pursue is listed, I don't see why that would be a problem
10:42
@M.A.R. The problem is the extremely difficult entrance exam.
@Abcd I'm pretty sure they adjust the difficulty to make sure the people that deserve it be chosen.
If it be too easy, or too difficult, the people that should wouldn't be able to study there.
And a number of undeserving students would make it
Right
But usually entrance exams tailor the difficulty of the questions so the people that should get the position
So, if the difficulty is not right, the only harm done is to the examiners.
Agreed
10:59
@snailplane Thanks. I appreciate your help.
11:53
Russian song of the Day: "Why the sky does not fall down"
12:06
@snailplane To me, "for" sounds more literal. Perhaps it could also be "of" in a more general sense?
I think that's what you meant, but yeah – as is, the sentence is grammatical.
Anonymous
12:18
@Araucaria Do you think it makes sense to use the tag on this question? It might not technically be negative inversion, but H&P say initial only "it has a close connection with negation" (pages 95–96), so I've been thinking it makes sense to put inversion after initial only under the same tag.
Anonymous
Since it's semantically and grammatically similar.
Ahh... inversion question #99!
@Araucaria I think the second half ... Ah! you already edited it!
WHat do you call a customer who demands goods urgently?
I mean the one who's not ready to wait at all
An impatient person?
12:34
An imperson patient?
@DamkerngT. Thanks. That's what I was searching for.
@M.A.R. is imperson even a word?
No problem!
I recalled a joke. In a pharmacy: "Give me please some anti-greed pills. And some more.. More.. More!"
Hi guys!
12:40
I would have a question regarding how to designate a student that is currently obtaining a bachelor's degree in informatics
I usually designate that person with "informatics bachelor student", but I'm not sure if that's the most appropriate way of designating this student
Informally, I'd call him or her an undergrad.
that's a connotation mostly used in the US, if I'm not wrong, not adopted everywhere, probably
Yes, I think so. I'm more familiar with AmE anyway.
Come to think of it, though I agree that an undergrad is perhaps AmE, I think an undergraduate is probably universal.
Let's see if anyone has anything to add.
but you would say only undergraduate without explicitly saying in which discipline?
Anonymous
@Abcd No. Impersonal was formed in Latin from in- + personalis, the latter of which is our personal. So in- was added to the adjective; the adjective impersonal was not formed from a noun *imperson.
12:46
@nbro That would depend on context. If it's well understood in the context, I'd say we don't really need to clarify it.
But of course, you can, if you want to! :D
@snailplane Yes, I think it makes sense. It certainly doesn't do any harm. It is indeed semantically very similar ...
@DamkerngT. Yes, bit of a clanger there!
@CowperKettle Pharmacist: I'm afraid we have only Less pills.
:P
@Araucaria Hehe! But you edited it even before I could finish my comment!
ok
@Abcd Nope, that was just word play
@M.A.R. okay
12:56
For the most part I agree with everything you said, but I think "I have been to Mexico in the last year" is possible if not common. I could see it being used in a context like "Have you been abroad recently? Well, I have been to Mexico in the last year. Does that count?" — stangdon 31 mins ago
@nbro welcome to our humble chat!
An interesting point.
Morning @Snail
Anonymous
Good morning :-)
Anonymous
I made a tag.
13:20
I've to leave
thanks!
I will probably come back as soon as I have another doubt
:D
14:03
Write a letter to your friend, who is discouraged by his/her failure in the examination, encouraging him/her not to lose heart and to try again with renewed vigour.
Dear XYZ,
I was immensely grieved to see your result. It’s been a while since you have left the confines of your home and come to visit me. I am sure you are depressed, discouraged, feel lonely and annoyed at yourself; after all I know you since ten years.
However, XYZ keep in mind the fact that this failure if isn’t the end of the world. God blesses us with life-long learnings through various distinct experiences in our life- whether it be joy or sorrow, success or failure; we always imbibe new knowledge. I earnestly request my best friend to give up his distress and get an altogether new
Please bear with me. Only 5 days more.
14:36
I've rep-capped 12 hours to the end of the day -____-
Guess I've been over-enthusiastic with ELL
@M.A.R. Create another account.
@Abcd Extra 'if', second paragraph, first sentence
@userr2684291 That's like resetting the game. Can't do in the middle of it
Perhaps, if I make another account, post stuff and get rep, then ask the accounts to be merged, the rep cap won't be taken into consideration
But that's cheating
Gah, stupid morale
I'll just ask @userr's account to be merged into mine. That'd solve everything
''we always imbibe new knowledge'' Who talks like that?
@Abcd No plenken after 'Yours lovingly'
Remove the space
@M.A.R. Hm, yeah, I could post an answer refuting yours and rake in all the juicy upvotes.
GOOD LUCK WITH THAT
Meh actually, I've been wrong a lot lately
15:08
@M.A.R. That's good. It's always piquant to have an answer that's not exactly up to scratch – because this way potential voters will be even more compelled to vote the superior one up, and maybe even vote your answer down! incentivizing you to write more bad answers for small rep boosts to reach the cap, etc., ad infinitum.
I like that show a lot.
Though sometimes it's really, really difficult to understand what they're saying without a transcript.
LOL, comes to ask a meta question, gets suspended for voting irregularities
15:31
@Abcd I would say "It's been a while since you visited me." – I wouldn't use the present perfect because that implies they're still at your place. "After all, I've known you for ten years." or "...since you were ten." (I don't know what you're trying to say.) "However, X, keep in mind that one lost battle isn't the end of the world." (I added this metaphor because I find "failure" somewhat strong.)
You should probably find a better one.
15:46
@Abcd "You would have undoubtedly pondered upon your mistakes and shortcomings." I don't know what you're trying to say here, tense wise. Do you really want "nascent"? Why not simply "recent"? "I have been yearning to see you for over a month." I think the rest is fine.
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Q: How to use relative words insteand of absolute words

rama9 I am trying to describe the above drawing. My examples are as follows: A bank and a hospital are respectively located at distances of 5km and 8km from ends, closer thereto, of a road. A bank and a hospital are respectively located at distances of 5km and 8km from their respect...

Anonymous
@userr2684291 I need a transcript for that one too.
16:17
0
A: "are of particular interest" or "are of a particular interest"

Peyton B Verbal expressions are of particular interest. Verbal expressions are of a particular interest. These are interchangeable. In my experience, neither version is more common than the other.

Huh, is this right?
@snailplane subsaga.com/bbc/comedy/burnistoun/series-2/episode-1.html Find Lovely pakora, this, McGregor. at 0:25:22.
Anonymous
@M.A.R. No
Another peer pressure badge . . .
Poor guy.
@M.A.R. I don't get how a native speakers can get it wrong in a question like this.
*speaker
@userr2684291 "Huh, never heard this one. It must be right somewhere. I mean it's just an extra 'a'."
16:30
That's not what they said, though.
"In my experience, neither version is more common than the other."
.........time to learn English is important. to making, make, have make, making
@user62015 What do you think?
making
@user62015 Yeah.
16:32
@user62015 Soudesune.
Thanks.
No sweat.
@M.A.R. Like, would you ever precede such a statement with "in my experience"? It's outrageous.
Hello!
@userr2684291 In my experience, "in my experience" is almost always said without being meant
@EngFan Jello
@M.A.R. Not in my experience. You usually stand by your statement.
16:37
@userr2684291 . . . and get a peer pressure badge
Point is, you don't stand by your statement when you're not sure of it. And bam, your source was actually not your source
@M.A.R. About tree-fiddy Hail Marys ought to be enough for repentance in full.
@userr2684291 For the same reason native speakers often confuse less and fewer, lay and lie, effect and affect, they're/there/their, its/it's... etc... we just aren't properly taught it and the language is flexible enough that the meaning is still there even if you get it wrong.
what phrase is used for some one who is ignoring your instructions or advice . Like there's a phrase to turn a blind eye used for someone who ignores something.
Sounds like a good question for the site...
I don't know a specific phrase that means that off the top of my head but you might find that you like the word "heed".
16:54
@Catija Haha burn
Anonymous
@userr2684291 The obvious answer is that the poster is a non-native speaker.
@Catija I don't think we can lump them all together.
Anonymous
Fewer and less don't get mixed up. Lie, lie and lie have overlapping paradigms that are acquired differently by different speakers. The rest are a matter of spelling, which isn't something native speakers have a major advantage at.
Anonymous
It is true, though, that we don't get taught fewer and less correctly. People commonly teach that the way native speakers use them is wrong, but that's not really the case.
Anonymous
The problem lies in the inaccurate description, not in how they're used.
Anonymous
17:02
Spelling can be pretty arbitrary. We used to spell possessive its with an apostrophe, but now we don't.
@snailplane Most grocery stores have had signs in them that read "10 items or less"... which is wrong. I'm happy to say our local chain has switched to "10 items or fewer". :D
Anonymous
Unfortunately, we don't acquire spelling naturally the same way we acquire language.
Anonymous
It's not wrong.
Anonymous
What's wrong is saying that it's wrong.
@snailplane It says they're located in the USA in their profile. "Payton" sounds like an American male given name. Of course, they might be an exchange student from Hong Kong or the Philippines, where they give such names.
17:03
@userr2684291 Payton is gender neutral. It's used for both males and females.
Anonymous
@userr2684291 From reading their posts, it's difficult to imagine that they're a native speaker.
@Catija Thank you, my mistake.
What about "James", can it be a female given name?
Anonymous
MWDEU has a really good article on less and fewer, if I recall.
@userr2684291 Only for suitably odd parents. It's generally and historically male.
Anonymous
I'm typing this all on my phone, so it's a bit difficult to provide references at the moment.
17:05
@snailplane No worries. If that's the case, someone should yell at Weird Al about it... I assume you've seen his music video about grammar?
@Catija Alright.
Anonymous
I have the non-concise version. I wonder if it's any different.
Anonymous
MWDEU is a really inexpensive book and comes recommended by GKP :-)
There's actually a really cool site that shows the popularity of names over time... there are apparently many names that started out as guy names that have become women's names... Shannon, for example.
17:12
Feb 7 at 14:01, by snailplane
@userr2684291 http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=13455
Anonymous
Spelling is interesting, though. Pretty much everyone picks up spoken language naturally, but people vary greatly in their ability to pick up the conventions of written language. For a lot of people spelling comes quite easily, but for others it's a lifelong struggle, regardless of the quality of their education.
Anonymous
I do know one engineer who I'd call brilliant without hesitation, but he couldn't spell his way out of a paper bag.
Hahaha.
The other day I spelled "young" as "yongue". It was pretty late, though, but that was the first time in my life I did that.
> Make up to volume with water and mix.
an odd chemical phrase
@snailplane My friend Andrey is like that
Anonymous
That is odd.
17:16
Found if, finally: babynamewizard.com/…
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"Make up to volume" is odd?
Type in any (western?) name and it will tell you which gender it's been most popular for over time.
> Cool, filter into a 100-ml volumetric flask, and make up to volume. Contact dust and dust concentrates. Accurately weigh 1.5–2 g of formulation into a Soxhlet extraction thimble (27 X 80 mm) and extract with 80 ml of methanol for 3 hours.
(Google Books)
Anonymous
Ooh, i like those graphs.
Anonymous
Oh no! My phone didn't capitalize I for me!
Anonymous
17:18
panic sets in
How do I read them?
Anonymous
@CowperKettle Well, I'm not a chemist.
I started typing in A, R, T, and it offered "Arthur" - apparently it wend downhill after 1880
When I type in "Ryan", it shows a pinkish peak of the blue mountain.
Apparently showing results only for 1000 top names in America
17:19
It says some girls were called Artis in the XIX century
@userr2684291 Yep, there was a chunk of time that Ryan was popular for girls.
It still is, e.g. in Scotland.
Well, I think so... haha.
Ooof, Bennett's making quite the surge recently.
Why did Boris Peak in the 1960s?
Boris the Burglar.
17:21
@CowperKettle I think my writing was about as felicitous when I started using English in my work.
Hello, everyone!
Anonymous
My name peaked in popularity when I was born.
@DamkerngT. \o
Anonymous
Good morning :-)
@DamkerngT. Good evening!
@snailplane My name was so popular about half a century before I was born. :-)
17:22
Indeed! A nice name..
Artemis is flatlining there
Snailplanne.
@userr2684291 Plane is the last name
A nice graph for Adolph - some did call their children that even into early 1960s
But zero results for Adolph after that
And Adolfo peaked in 2000
17:25
Jesus came to a head of popularity in the 90s/00s...
Aurelia revived in 2000!
A nice name
The chart for Jennifer looks like a shark fin.
Ah, there's one... Blair is one of those names that were traditionally male and is now nearly totally female.
@Catija Apparently a female given name as well, geez Louise.
Sasha started trending in 1950s
In Russia, Sasha is a boy name in 80% of cases
> Namipedia has no entry for Obama. Create a new page for Obama.
Hah!
Anonymous
17:28
@CowperKettle In Japan, Yuri is a girl's name.
Yes, it sounds girlish in Japanese (0:
In Russian it's 100% boy name
Oh, no! Tom is losing its popularity!
@DamkerngT. Check thomas?
@Catija Looks better than Tom, but still has a downtrend.
Most people give their kids the full version of the name rather than the abbreviation, thought that's changing, too.
17:30
In Russian, Barak means a shed, a bunkhouse, or a poor one storey building for many families
Anonymous
I know a Josh who gets annoyed every time someone assumes his name is actually Joshua.
I had a friend called Yaroslav
a nice old Slavic name (ヤロスラフ)
No way? Haha.
And another friend called Vadim
Surname: Krotenko. Krot means mole (the animal) in Russian
Websites say it's an Eastern Ukrainian surname probably derived from a nickname given to thrifty peasants
TIL browsing through products on a China website could be fun (or give you a headache).
> 4 . high performance thermal design : v6 + in wednesdays inside can 1 assembly a 14cm fan , 3 a 6cm fan , entire front panel can be used as heat dissipation channel , make its heatdispassionn unprecedented formidable .
"Wednesdays inside"? Interesting, very interesting!
17:42
The Man Who Was Thursday: A Nightmare is a novel by G. K. Chesterton, first published in 1907. The book is sometimes referred to as a metaphysical thriller. == Plot summary == In Edwardian era London, Gabriel Syme is recruited at Scotland Yard to a secret anti-anarchist police corps. Lucian Gregory, an anarchistic poet, lives in the suburb of Saffron Park. Syme meets him at a party and they debate the meaning of poetry. Gregory argues that revolt is the basis of poetry. Syme demurs, insisting the essence of poetry is not revolution but law. He antagonises Gregory by asserting that the most poetical...
Maybe the Chinese author read this book
Oh, was he Thor?
@CowperKettle Ah, hahaha!
18:09
It imagined an eye where I drew the nose
(^_^)
^_^
I like your sketch better. :D
I find the output inexplicably disturbing, for some reason.
Oh, I know that posture!
18:11
Yes?
It's a Russian meme
Hahaha!
I just ran into this meme:
!!translate/не все коту масленица
ru: не все коту масленица
en: every day is not Sunday
Could be useful, when Be nice doesn't work.
@Ellbot Hmm... I guess that's right!
"не все коту масленица" literally means "when you're a cat, it's not like it's Cheesefare Week every day for you"
The Cheesefare Week is when we bake pancakes and eat a lot of fatty dairy food
Naturally cats love dairy products
18:16
nods -- and fish!
So Ellbot's translation of this proverb is very precise
Yay!
This question, ell.stackexchange.com/q/102280/3281, refers to Beacon English (a website). I happened to read it as Bacon English!
Which gave me an idea... how about Tom Yum English?
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Q: I am made feel tired by hot weather

Shannak Hot weather makes me feel tired. What is the passive voice of the above sentence? I am made feel tired by hot weather. Is it correct? Should we use "the" with "hot weather"?

I'm made feel tired by hot weather is weird on multiple levels!
Even though I'm made to feel tired by hot weather is grammatical (I think), it still sounds weird to me.
It sounds like "you're made this way".
I would debate that the "feel" is unnecessary since "tired" is already a feeling. It seems to be implied. But you make a fair point. — Peyton B 33 mins ago
Hmm... debate that? Interesting.
18:41
@M.A.R. You mean no comma after Yours lovingly?
@Abcd No, I mean no space before the comma
okay
@userr2684291 I mean that: Undoubtedly, you would have thought and reflected upon the mistakes you made.
Made the changes @userr2684291 . I want to know that does it sound too unnatural, stilted or is there too much repetition of the same thing over and over again in my letter. Also, is the last line apt for a letter like this?
Dear XYZ,
I was immensely grieved to see your result. It’s been a while since you have visited me. I am sure you are depressed, discouraged, feel lonely and annoyed at yourself. After all I’ve known you for ten years.
However, XYZ keep in mind the fact that this failure if isn’t the end of the world. God blesses us with life-long learnings through various distinct experiences in our life- whether it be joy or sorrow, success or failure; we always imbibe new knowledge. I earnestly request my best friend to give up his distress and get an altogether new start. Undoubtedly, now you are cogniza
19:05
What does this line mean: Thousands of schemes were planned on the strength of his expected return.
@Abcd Which part confuses you?
@M.A.R. entire lean. I don't understand what he's trying to convey..
It's PPBS.
@Abcd Someone's return is expected, and people are planning for it
@M.A.R. That's what I thought but 'thousands of schemes' confused me
line*
!!define/scheme
@DAM!
19:10
@M.A.R. what's PPBS
@M.A.R. Are you angry at me?
!!flip/@Dam
(∿°○°)∿@ᗡɐɯ
@Abcd Nope
@Ellbot Aaaahhh!
@Abcd Pseudo-Profound BullShit
19:11
@M.A.R. so why those "!!"
@Abcd Those are how we command ELLBot
@M.A.R. Please be clear. Is the line horrible and vague?
@Abcd Yep. It's supposed to be something profound, but it conveys no real meaning on itself
@M.A.R. I have no idea what's Bot
19:15
@Abcd It stands out as a tad unjoined to the abutting context.
@userr2684291 Any replacement?
@Abcd It's best rephrased so as to better contrast with the following sentence.
@userr2684291 Agh! I can't understand what you are trying to say. Is it inappropriate keeping in mind the following sentence? If so, please suggest a suitable alternative.
Uncle Jules had visibly diminished my father's share of inheritance after he had swallowed his own. WHat does swallow mean here? can it be 'squandered'?
19:37
@Abcd Let me try to elucidate: "I earnestly request my best friend to give up his distress and get an altogether new start. You would have undoubtedly pondered upon your mistakes and shortcomings. Now it’s time to evolve your nascent knowledge of failure into success." The intermediate sentence doesn't fit the context. You amended it, and you should find a way to join it to the next one.
@Abcd That would be my guess as well.
@Abcd But completely, "pouring it down the drain".
20:38
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer, bad keyword with email in answer, email in answer: When to say "I need money" as opposed to "I need the money"? by sandra john on ell.SE
 
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23:40
okay @userr2684291. Changed that again
Dear XYZ,
I was immensely grieved to see your result. It’s been a while since you have visited me. I am sure you are depressed, discouraged, feel lonely and annoyed at yourself. After all I’ve known you for ten years.
However, XYZ keep in mind the fact that this failure if isn’t the end of the world. God blesses us with life-long learnings through various distinct experiences in our life- whether it be joy or sorrow, success or failure; we always imbibe new knowledge. I earnestly request my best friend to give up his distress and get an altogether new start. Undoubtedly, now you are cogniza
Anonymous
23:55
I don't see why this question is so heavily downvoted: ell.stackexchange.com/q/121312/230

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