Language Overflow

00:56

Hi

Is this correct?

"ISSUE CAUGHT" (Title of something)

Man_From_India

@Cardinal both means almost the same thing. It's said that relation is more formal than relationship. Relation applies for two or more larger groups, whereas relationship is used for smaller groups or individuals. Though it's not uncommon to use relationship for larger groups, and relation for smaller groups.

But when relation is used for smaller groups it's mostly used to mean sexual relation or blood relation.

In other use both are same in meaning -

> Scientists have established the relationship between lung cancer and smoking.

> The size of the targets bore no relation to their importance

I am sure we can use either relation or relationship in either of the sentences without compromising the meaning.

@SinNombreSinApellido what is the meaning?

Do you mean issues found?

SinNombre SinApellido

@Man_From_India yea!

But "CAUGHT" isn't correct?

Man_From_India

01:21

@SinNombreSinApellido no.

SinNombre SinApellido

01:32

@Man_From_India - Why not?

Man_From_India

@SinNombreSinApellido not very sure. From top of my head, I think it's because you're not grabbing something physical.

Færd

02:52

Just returned to that irony page and finished it. Very keool.

2 days ago, by user2684291

http://theoatmeal.com/comics/irony

Javed Ahmed

Hi

Please help in correcting and rephrasing the following sentense

Javed Ahmed

03:21

"I have a problem with my social life. I will tell you my story. I am the youngest child in our family and hence being more worried by elders. My elders don't allow me to do anything which they think is danger/difficult like riding bike or driving car or travelling alone or so.

I sometimes think I am being limited. I had learned to ride a bike 4yrs before and after that I had went to foreign for work and then didn't touch the bike for 3yrs. Now my elder brother is saying not to ride the bike. Similarly other elder brother thinks I don't know to take the train to house alone. And such things. I feel limited and sometimes tortured/laughed by my siblings and others. My parents are no more in this world and I am a married person.

My wife even does the same thing as siblings. FYI I am in my 30s. I see teenagers riding bike or driving car or travelling alone. I am really demotivated and my thoughts are becoming negative (like I think I can't drive car or so). I have spoken this with my wife and siblings but they simply don't understand. What shall I do about my situation? Could you guide me?

Kindly correct the above sentence and rephrase it to sound good.

Anonymous

Hey, that's not a grammar comic! It's pragmatics, or semantics at best.

Anonymous

Argh. The whom comic.

Anonymous

This is what happens when someone writes about grammar without first studying it.

Anonymous

. . . and then goes on to write a comic about irony.

Javed Ahmed

03:45

Hi snailplane

Kindly help me correct and rephrase my message that I have shared above

Anyone there?

CowperKettle

04:48

Hazy nondescript morning

Heavily overcast but warm

Word of the day: isomerate product

> The isomerate product is free of sulfur, aromatics and olefins, making it a premium gasoline pool blending component.

M.A.R.

05:25

@CowperKettle nice

CowperKettle

Good morning Persia

M.A.R.

\o

I feel like a desultory moggie this morning.

CowperKettle

05:54

@M.A.R. Try translating something from Persian. A short story or a poem.

CowperKettle

06:15

Is limiting resolution a correct term to describe the best resolution a SEM microscope can achieve (7 nm)?

The term sounds odd

> The spatial resolution (limiting resolution) at the accelerating voltage of 15 kV and beam current of 40 nA is 0.8 nm.

The or A?

> The limiting spatial resolution of the SEM unit, when used with an(?) accelerating voltage of 15 kV and beam current of 40 nA, is 0.8 nm.

> The SEM unit has a limiting spatial resolution of 0.8 nm, achieved using 15 kV accelerating voltage and 40 nA beam current. (is this word order okay?)

Crazy Ninja

06:51

Greetings!

mike

@CowperKettle - limiting resolution sounds rather negative to me

as if it's a flaw in the microscope, or it could be better somehow

CowperKettle

@mike but I found it on Google Books, so it must be okay

mike

In the context of a scientific journal, it more than likely is. Where everything is empirical :)

CowperKettle

07:13

> The sample consists of both large particles (longitudinal size: 10–20 µm, lateral size: 3–6 µm) and small particles (longitudinal size < 5 µm, lateral size: < 1 µm).

Is this a proper choice of words: longitudinal/lateral?

Hmm

> All particles are flat-ended.

I found the word "butt" but I'm wary of using it

M.A.R.

Hehe

CowperKettle

07:29

> The particles look similar to those of sample 2 and have the same sizes.

Would you read it as "they are all of the same size"?

Or as "they have the same size properties as the particles of sample 2"?

I need sense 2.

okay.. sunny outside, jogging time

M.A.R.

@CowperKettle Yeah

CowperKettle

@M.A.R. how to fix it?

M.A.R.

Add an ''all'' before ''have''

CowperKettle

> The current samples 12 and 13 are morphologically similar with the previously studied samples 2 and 3. (Do I need the? There are numbers...)

M.A.R.

Wait a sec

CowperKettle

07:36

LOL

> The respective sizes of the large and the small particles are the same in all samples.

Voila!

M.A.R.

Aliov!

Cardinal

09:08

@Man_From_India Thank you MFI.

M.A.R.

09:36

I wish there was a list of psychological effects and razors.

They increase the badassness of your argument by 300 percent.

Cardinal

@M.A.R. I like Razors, especially those awesome mouses and keyboards. But, those are very expensive :|

M.A.R.

O.O

Wut

CowperKettle

a nondescript white day in Russia

M.A.R.

@CowperKettle Hehe that GIF never gets old

Cardinal

@CowperKettle :))

Razer Inc.

Razer USA Ltd., doing business as Razer Inc. (stylized as RΛZΞR), is an American company founded by Min-Liang Tan and Robert Krakoff, and headquartered in San Francisco, California, which specializes in computer hardware marketed specifically to gamers. Razer is dedicated to the creation and development of products mainly focused on PC gaming such as laptops, tablet computer, various PC peripherals, wearables, and accessories. The Razer brand is currently being marketed under Razer USA Ltd. == History == Razer was founded in 1998 by a team of marketers and engineers to develop and market a high...

:-)

M.A.R.

09:40

Razor, not Razer

Cardinal

I see, I couldn't edit it :-(

M.A.R.

I was thinking something along the lines of Occam's Razor, Hanlon's Razor etc.

IOW, some fancy words to say

Cardinal

:D

@CowperKettle I'm struggling to read the placard :|

Damkerng T.

10:30

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A: Does "drive home" have a Literal meaning (like going home but by car)?

Yes, "drive home" is an established expression, but the words can also be taken literally and you can indeed say that you drove home. "I drove home after a productive day at work." This type of expression is called an idiom. There are quite a few of these and they are even used in a class of w...

I think there must be a good word or category for this type of writing.

I mean, there's nothing really wrong with the text, but if you read the text too quickly, you can easily misunderstand the text.

> Yes, "drive home" is an established expression, but the words can also be taken literally and you can indeed say that you drove home.

"I drove home after a productive day at work."

This type of expression is called an idiom.

I almost thought our poster meant drove home in the example was an idiom.

Good evening, everyone!

M.A.R.

\o

Damkerng T.

o/

M.A.R.

@DamkerngT. incoherent

Damkerng T.

Hmm... that sounds about right, I think.

Thanks!

M.A.R.

No, that doesn't sound right. I remembered a word you didn't

CowperKettle

10:58

0

Q: The definite article in "the previously studied samples 3 and 4"

The currently studied samples 13 and 14 are morphologically similar to the previously studied samples 3 and 4 - i.e. their particles are mostly oblong in shape and show no signs of lamellar structure. Should I use the definite articles here, or should they be dropped, because we don't use a...

articles

M.A.R.

@CowperKettle The way you use the numbers does not affect the need for the definite article.

CowperKettle

@M.A.R. Ah! "Which way is the currently renovated room 213?"

We'd still use the the?

M.A.R.

Mhm

My take is it should be ''which way is room 213'' but ''which way is the renovated room 213?''

CowperKettle

I mean "currently being renovated"

M.A.R.

I know, I think ''currently'' doesn't affect the grammar.

But ''renovated'' does

CowperKettle

12:42

Does the current study involve samples other than 13 and 14? We don't really have enough context. If they are the only samples in the present study, "13 and 14" stands in apposition to "The currently studied samples" and the should remain. The same is true of the previous samples. If they were the only samples in that study, the should remain there too. But if these samples are not the only samples involved in their respective studies: Samples 13 and 14 from the current study are morphologically similar to samples 3 and 4 from the previous study. is how I'd rewrite. — TRomano 33 mins ago

a very interesting comment

Stack Exchange

14:13

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Q: Community Promotion Ads - 2017

It is a bit late into this new year, being that we're already in the second month, but we are now cycling the Community Promotion Ads for 2017! What are Community Promotion Ads? Community Promotion Ads are community-vetted advertisements that will show up on the main site, in the right sidebar....

discussion community-ads

Segev

Hey
Is it right syntax to say:
"Before releasing the version, Shai and myself will improve the documentation's content and UI."?

user2684291

14:31

@Segev How about "Prior to the release, Shai and I will improve the documentation and UI."?

CowperKettle

Sword of the day: Excalibur

Segev

@user2684291 Thanks man!

Damkerng T.

14:53

@Segev @user2684291's version is fine. I personally prefer before, like Before the next release. Also, if you need to be more precise, as is often the case in IT, you might want to use something like Before the 1.0 release.

Segev

15:06

@DamkerngT. Thanks!

Damkerng T.

@Segev No problem!

CowperKettle

Can we name a document "Report under request"

I mean, the company received a request for performing a study, and has drafted a report

Maybe the word 'request' is wrong here.

The Russian word zayavka is translated by dozens of English words

Damkerng T.

15:21

@CowperKettle I think it's understandable. I like on better than under, but I can't see anything wrong with under.

CowperKettle

Thank you!

Damkerng T.

Don't forget to have a second opinion!

M.A.R.

Nom nom second opinion

Damkerng T.

I, Robot

►

M.A.R.

BTW @Dam have you realized how many more people actually come to this room for help?

I haven't, but it's gotta be a lot of people

Damkerng T.

15:35

@M.A.R. Oh, more than?

M.A.R.

More than before

Damkerng T.

Hmm... probably!

M.A.R.

The pre-MARexile life

Damkerng T.

I take it as a good thing. (^_^)

M.A.R.

Yes!

It means more people found out about our chat, somehow

Damkerng T.

15:37

Yay!

M.A.R.

Damkerng T.

LOL

BTW, the clip above made me think of language learning.

> Spooner: Human beings have dreams. Even dogs have dreams, but not you. You are just a machine; an imitation of life. Can a robot write a symphony? Can a robot turn a... canvas into a beautiful masterpiece?

> Sonny: [with genuine interest] Can you?

In some ways, non-native speakers are quite like robots if we think about language processing.

M.A.R.

Yeah

Damkerng T.

We can say that most of our acts in a second language is "imitation".

M.A.R.

It was an OK film, not that bad

CowperKettle

15:40

Desorption

Desorption is a phenomenon whereby a substance is released from or through a surface. The process is the opposite of sorption (that is, either adsorption or absorption). This occurs in a system being in the state of sorption equilibrium between bulk phase (fluid, i.e. gas or liquid solution) and an adsorbing surface (solid or boundary separating two fluids). When the concentration (or pressure) of substance in the bulk phase is lowered, some of the sorbed substance changes to the bulk state. In chemistry, especially chromatography, desorption is the ability for a chemical to move with the mobile...

M.A.R.

The ideas it explored were interesting

CowperKettle

It's desorption but a chemical desorbs water

Why not desorps?

Damkerng T.

And yet, why do those language proficiency tests set the bar so high as if we were writing a symphony or painting a beautiful masterpiece?

M.A.R.

@CowperKettle Because. It's the same for absorption vs. absorb

CowperKettle

I'm paining a translation

And it's not beautiful

Damkerng T.

15:41

Ah, I was about to say the same thing.

@CowperKettle Hehe!

CowperKettle

(0:

M.A.R.

Hehe

@DamkerngT. Tell that to them

And if they didn't accept it

Damkerng T.

Haha!

M.A.R.

Gotta put my jiffs back to use

Damkerng T.

@M.A.R. If someone could map the word IELTS or TOEFL on that paper, it would be awesome!

M.A.R.

15:45

@Cowp should do it. I uninstalled Adobe After Effects a while ago

M.A.R.

15:56

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Q: Please tell me what mistakes I have made on these two sentence.Does the two sentence give the same meaning?Can I use the two sentenve while speaking?

1.Admission of failure without doing hard work will make you face many problem. 2.Admitting of failure without doing hard work will make you face many problem.

sentence-construction

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

Awarding the Academy award for the best title, and the golden raspberry for the worst plot

Damkerng T.

0

Q: An up-to-date equivalent for a slip of a boy / girl

Imagine a very young boy / girl is going to do something which is hurting your pride and putting you under a question mark. You get seriously annoyed and you want to prevent the child / very young boy/girl from continuing their action. An elder interferes and asks you about the reason behind your...

idioms

I wonder what he thinks a slip of a boy really means.

Word of the Day: varmint

3

(I found it while searching for synonyms of my first choice: rascal)

> This little rascal was bugging me.

yubraj

Hi everyone!

Damkerng T.

Hi!

M.A.R.

Hullo

From Leech, Spoken Grammar

Damkerng T.

16:15

Nice!

M.A.R.

@DamkerngT. It has four pages of references, so it's gotta be good

V.V.

16:37

Privet, I need the difference in usage. "be a help", "be help" be of help.

Crazy Ninja

16:49

howdy!

We have been communicated that it was only the test environments that had been affected with the incorrect initial script which was released.

Does above sentence is not a good start for email?

Damkerng T.

@CrazyNinja What's the intent of the email? And what's the relationship between you and recipient?

It sounds to me like something probably too direct and defensive, almost as if saying "it was your fault, not mine".

CowperKettle

17:58

> Figure 1. Adsorption/desorption isotherms for sample 12 in the moisture content/relative humidity coordinate space.

Can I phrase it this way?

I struggle to phrase it.

Or should I somehow write in "moisture content vs. relative humidity"?

Joe Pinsonault

18:15

if this coordinate space is a graph of moisture content over relative humidity, then either sounds good to me

Damkerng T.

yahoo.com/news/…

Phil sees his shadow

M.A.R.

@CowperKettle I don't get what you're trying to do, but moisture content implies that an analysis has been run on the sample and some water is in it

In the form of an impurity

Damkerng T.

18:43

so with all respect to you , you know nothing about the politics , i know the true definition of all of them , just want to know what people think , look [here](www.dtic.mil/doctrine/new_pubs/jp1.pdf) to find out why i asked this — Mohsen_Fatemi 3 mins ago

Hmm... so... should we close it?

BTW, I don't know what doctorine means.

user2684291

@DamkerngT. You can't, it's been removed.

Damkerng T.

@user2684291 Ahh... that was all well and good!

0

Q: A comparison between "Creep", "Crawl" and "slither"

We have three too similar words: Creep, Crawl, Slither. These three words have very tiny and slight nuances. Based on dictionaries, one cannot recognize which ones can be used for the nouns: "snake" "snail" or or "lizard" or "soldier / child". I cannot recognize which verb can be used for which n...

word-usage word-choice word-meaning word-difference

M.A.R.

@DamkerngT. What is this, a rage quit?

Damkerng T.

Now, the question makes me wonder... how do native speakers acquire the nuances?

user2684291

The question ought not to be closed just because the enquirer knows the answer.

Damkerng T.

18:47

@M.A.R. Unhappy with the migration, I suppose.

Anonymous

Wow, no, snails can't slither.

Damkerng T.

Hehe!

Anonymous

Snail and snake locomotion are completely different!

Anonymous

@DamkerngT. Typo for doctrine?

Damkerng T.

@user2684291 To be fair, I think "just want to know what people think" is opinion-based. I don't know if the OP deleted the question themselves, though.

@snailplane I guess so, but when it's used twice in the same post, I doubted if the OP really knows the meanings as they claimed.

But the question is gone anyway.

@snailplane I don't think we will use creep with babies either. But I could be wrong.

Anonymous

18:53

@DamkerngT. Babies crawl. They could creep, but they don't.

Anonymous

Or at least, not usually.

CowperKettle

@M.A.R. it's a dynamic vapor sorption study

a kind of thermogravimetric study

Good midnight, Snails

Damkerng T.

Good Groundhog Day!

Anonymous

Good morning! :-)

M.A.R.

\o

M.A.R.

19:11

IOW, this post is abusive. Please flag it as such. — M.A.R. 8 secs ago

Please flag.

CowperKettle

19:25

@DamkerngT. (0:

Damkerng T.

:D

user2684291

@M.A.R. IOW?

M.A.R.

In Other Words

user2684291

OMGWTFBBQ.

J.R.

Did that post just have a string of characters? Or was it a rant that got edited into nonsense?

@M.A.R. (just curious...)

M.A.R.

19:39

@J.R. It was just nonsense as far as I recall

Nonsense is abusive

Jinx

The very same discussion was on meta.SO today

Also hello

J.R.

I don't think they're quite the same, but thanks for the flag. It needs to be dealt with either way.

M.A.R.

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Q: Why was my abusive flag on a post containing only gibberish declined?

Today, I flagged this answer (now deleted) as rude/abusive: However, my flag was declined: and I'm curious as to the reasons why, because common consensus agrees with me: What makes something rude or abusive and when should I flag it? ... This includes posts that contain no ...

discussion flags declined-flags

CC @J.R.

@J.R. They're not, but meta consensus is to flag gibberish as abusive, to get it out of the way without the need of mod intervention

J.R.

Normally, I wouldn't bat an eye at this either way, but we've had to deal with some rants lately that fell quite squarely under the abusive umbrella. I just wanted know if this was another one of those.

CowperKettle

0

Q: Meaning of the word "bromide" in "The thirty-nine steps" by the Institute of Translation and Interpreting

From "The thirty-nine steps" by the Institute of Translation and Interpreting ("Questions you need to ask yourself when undertaking a translation"): Does this word "bromides" relate to "charge"? I doubt it. Does it relate to "special presentations"? Does it mean: "for instance, a present...

word-meaning

J.R.

In the future, maybe we could allude to gibberish as "rude" instead of "abusive". That way, we can still use the same flag, but it's a little more clear about the nature of the content.

But it really doesn't matter that much either way. The important thing is to get it flagged, and you took care of that :-)

M.A.R.

19:51

@J.R. We can just call it gibberish

user2684291

@M.A.R. Reads like double Dutch to me.

@CowperKettle New questions always appear in the "New feed items" feed for users of this chatroom.

user2684291

20:17

('Less the user somehow disables it, of course.)

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