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CowperKettle

02:07

Happy Thanksgiving, @snailplane

Anonymous

02:26

Happy Turkey Day, @CowperKettle!

Anonymous

I figured that might be an appropriate response since I bet neither of us is eating turkey today :-)

Jim Reynolds

02:50

Do they have 4th of July in Russia?

Anonymous

03:03

Nah, they skip over it like the 13th floor in a skyrise.

Anonymous

Sometimes I wish I was born on February 30th just so I could be immortal. But then I figure, eventually someone would probably futz with the calendar and I'd start having birthdays, so I figure I need to find a more reliable method of not aging.

Anonymous

Any ideas?

CowperKettle

03:35

@JimReynolds Yes, but it falls on the 4th of November

Unity Day (Russia)

Unity Day (also called Day of People’s Unity or National Unity Day; Russian: День народного единства, Denʹ narodnogo yedinstva) is a national holiday in Russia held on November 4 (October 22, Old Style). It commemorates the popular uprising which expelled Polish occupation forces from Moscow in November 1612, and more generally the end of the Time of Troubles and turning point of the Polish-Muscovite War (1605–1618). The day's name alludes to the idea that all classes of Russian society united to preserve Russian statehood when there was neither a tsar nor a patriarch to guide them. In 1613 tsar...

@snailplane I actually saw a turkey in a shop across the street yesterday. It was so big! The shop is new, so I just peeked in to check it out. It was empty, just a charming saleswoman and her little charming daughter.

To me, fair friend, you never can be old,
For as you were when first your your posts I eyed,
Such seems your beauty still. Three winters cold,
Have from the chatroom shook three summers' pride,
Three beauteous springs to yellow autumn turned,
In process of the seasons have I seen,
Three April perfumes in three hot Junes burned,
Since first I saw you fresh, which yet are green.
Ah! yet doth beauty like a dial-hand,
Steal from his figure, and no pace perceived;
So your sweet hue, which methinks still doth stand,

Arrowfar

04:30

Happy Thanksgiving!

I thought "Thanksgivng" was written as two separate words "Thanks (space) giving".

So when I press the "leave" room option sometimes it removes me from the room sometimes I have to do it again. I wonder if it happens to others as well.

CowperKettle

06:02

Yekaterinburg citizens made photos of Jupiter today

It was quite visible

@snailplane I was memorizing this poem during a morning walk today, so could not pass the opportunity to show off (0:

A beautiful poem

CowperKettle

06:18

Word of the day: mycoplasmas (plural form of mycoplasma, which I considered to be plural itself until I looked it up in the dictionary)

Arrowfar

In English when we are unsure of what someone has just said (in spoken English) all these phrases are okay and grammatical? "sorry I didn't catch that", "I didn't get you", "I didn't catch you".

Morning CowperKettle!

I only slept for four hours ^_^

CowperKettle

I slept 5 hrs, then translated 1 hr, then slept 1.5 hr, and now am translating

Took a 30 min walk at 06:20 am

Arrowfar

So you work from home?

CowperKettle

Yes

Arrowfar

Nice.

CowperKettle

06:30

I should have gotten to bed at 11 pm to have a clearer head for today's translation and not distract myself

(0:

Lurk mode on

Anonymous

06:45

@Arrowfar I think I usually hear "I didn't get you" from non-native speakers.

yubraj sharma

If someone asks how are you ? I should say : I'm fine upto now or I am fine till now or I am fine so far ! Which one is appropriate?

Anonymous

I think it might be used mostly in Asian varieties of English.

Anonymous

@yubrajsharma Can you get away with just saying "I'm fine"? That would be more appropriate.

yubraj sharma

Oh !

Anonymous

If I had to pick one of your three choices, I would pick "I'm fine so far".

Anonymous

06:46

But I would prefer not to say any of them.

Anonymous

@CowperKettle (-:

yubraj sharma

Umm ...If Wanted to say "I'm fine upto now, I don't know what happens in the future"

Arrowfar

@snailplane And from native speakers?

What about "I didn't catch you"? I think that one seems odd.

yubraj sharma

Upto now, till now ,fine so far

@snailplane

Anonymous

@Arrowfar I would say "I'm sorry, I didn't catch that."

Anonymous

06:50

@Arrowfar No?

Arrowfar

I see, thanks.

Damkerng T.

@snailplane Wait, but "I don't get you" is normal, right? (as in "I don't understand you".)

Or "I don't get it".

Anonymous

Non-native speakers in many areas seem to use get to mean 'understand' more widely than native speakers do, in my experience.

Damkerng T.

Ahh... I see.

Anonymous

@DamkerngT. "I don't get it" is normal.

Anonymous

06:51

"I don't get you" means I think there is something puzzling about you or your behavior.

Anonymous

"Why would you say that to her? I just don't get you sometimes." ← confrontational

Anonymous

But I think in Indian English and maybe some other non-native varieties, "I didn't get you" ≈ "I didn't understand what you just said".

Damkerng T.

nods -- Come to think of it, I thought of I don't get it rather than I don't get you.

"I didn't get you" sounds wrong to me.

Arrowfar

This explains well: quora.com/…

2

yubraj sharma

Nods...I

Anonymous

06:53

Well, it sounds non-native to me. I think it's valid in some non-native language varieties.

yubraj sharma

Native speaker don't use any of these ? I'm fine so far, I'm fine upto now, I'm fine till now ?

Anonymous

@yubrajsharma "I'm fine so far" sounds fine, but it doesn't sound appropriate as a response to "How are you?" under most circumstances.

Damkerng T.

I was fine until ... should also be possible.

Anonymous

If you want to say the other two, I'd change it to past tense: "I was fine until now." ← This makes it sound like you were fine until they asked you how you were doing, so it implies you found their question or maybe their very presence quite irritating . . .

Damkerng T.

@Arrowfar Nice thread!

Anonymous

06:56

So, not very nice.

Arrowfar

@DamkerngT. Thanks :)

Anonymous

But possible English.

Arrowfar

And good morning Damk!

Damkerng T.

Morning! (It's already in the afternoon over here. :-)

Anonymous

I don't really like the sound of "up to now".

Damkerng T.

06:57

@snailplane nods

Arrowfar

@DamkerngT. Yep. Me and Copper always have the same time :-)

Anonymous

These are just my personal impressions.

Anonymous

If someone asked me "How are you?" nine times out of ten "I'm fine" would be an appropriate response.

Anonymous

"I'm fine so far" might be appropriate in a specific context, when the person asking and the listener both know you're in the middle of a project.

Anonymous

But then I think the question would be likely to change. "How's the project going?" "Oh, it's fine so far."

Damkerng T.

06:58

@snailplane I usually replied Still alive or Not dead yet when I was in Frankfurt. (The job was quite heavy! :-)

yubraj sharma

Thanks@snailplane @DamkerngT.

Anonymous

What is it you want to imply with "up to now"?

Anonymous

@DamkerngT. Ha :-)

yubraj sharma

Umm It might mean 'Till now"

Anonymous

"How are you?" is a pretty open-ended question. Depending on your relationship with the person asking, you might want to give a sincere answer. But most of the time, people use it as part of a phatic exchange, where they're simply saying the phrases to be polite without intending to exchange any information.

Anonymous

07:01

So answering with "I'm fine" is usually appropriate regardless of whether or not you're actually doing fine.

Anonymous

"How are you?" "Oh, I'm fine, thanks for asking! And you?"

Anonymous

If you add "so far" you're inserting some sort of larger context into the discussion, which might confuse the asker unless it's a context you and the asker already share.

yubraj sharma

Nods

CowperKettle

> Test for presence of functional genes of the MoMuLV and VSV retroviruses responsible for the assembly of retroviral particles (I wonder if the reader will understand that it's the genes thare are responsible, not the retroviruses)

yubraj sharma

What about as said by Demk "Not dead yet , still aliving

@snailplane

How are you : I'm still alive or Not dead yet

Damkerng T.

07:07

@yubrajsharma I only used it with my teammate. We were in the same boat, a tough job, which could make you feel like drained out every day. It was used jokingly.

Like when someone asked us to code something and we asked back "When do you want this?", they might reply "I wanted it yesterday."

Anonymous

@yubrajsharma Alive is an adjective.

Anonymous

This is a little tricky, because there's a pronunciation difference that isn't shown by the spelling:

Anonymous

- alive /əˈlaɪv/ is a predicate adjective. "I'm still alive!"

Anonymous

- live /laɪv/ is an attributive adjective. "You can catch more fish if you use live bait."

Anonymous

- live /lɪv/ is a verb. "We live in the United States."

Anonymous

07:10

So the form *aliving is incorrect, because alive is an adjective.

CowperKettle

but a-living might be correct

as a vernacular form

Anonymous

Well, an old form.

Anonymous

It is no longer used.

Arrowfar

@snailplane In spoken English when we are talking in a group is saying ”This guy” while pointing towards a colleague etc. rude? I asked because in my interview which was in English I pointed towards someone who was sitting at some distance and said “This guy said…” Thought I’d confirm it from you.

Anonymous

@Arrowfar Umm, I would avoid referring to someone in that manner in an interview.

Arrowfar

07:13

He didn't say anything but later it seemed like I misbehaved heh.

I didn't mean it that way of course.

@snailplane oh I see. Thanks.

Damkerng T.

Is "this guy" one of the interviewers?

Anonymous

Unless it was a very informal interview, maybe.

Arrowfar

No someone else.

A future colleague maybe.

Anonymous

Ooh, flags.

Arrowfar

where?

Damkerng T.

07:15

@Arrowfar Hmm... it's hard to make a call, I think. But it's probably safer to avoid using it.

It's highly context-dependent, as usual.

Arrowfar

yeah - nods

Damkerng T.

@snailplane Maybe my messages? Because I don't see the flags.

Anonymous

Not chat flags. ELL flags.

Damkerng T.

Ah, I see!

Anonymous

For Not An Answer flags, I tend to leave them for the community to review.

Anonymous

07:16

Right now, there are two NAA flags:

Anonymous

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A: I don't get this

The previous comment is OK, but the wording of the sentence is awkward. I would suggest this: "Gorbachev and his colleagues, without a struggle, gave up not only the Soviet conquests of World War Two , but also the much older tsarist conquests of the Baltics, the Ukraine, the Caucasus, and Centr...

Anonymous

0

A: Wish Followed by Past Continuous and Past Simple

"I wish it would snow now; because it's Christmas."

Arrowfar

@snailplane So how would you do it? By saying "he"? I mean if someone is sitting at a little distance and you are talking about them etc.

Anonymous

Well, actually Very Low Quality flags.

CowperKettle

> It's nice to be a-living in the Urals:
Beaches with palms and houses with murals

(example of usage)

Damkerng T.

07:17

@snailplane This one is probably better as a comment.

@snailplane I agree with Nathan Tuggy.

Anonymous

@Arrowfar Was it a very formal interview? "Earlier I was speaking with your colleague over here" and then nod slightly / gesture with an open palm, maybe?

Damkerng T.

(These are just my opinions, though.)

Arrowfar

@snailplane Yes, it was an audit firm. The company I wanted to join heh.

@snailplane I see, thank you.

Damkerng T.

@Arrowfar Had he introduced himself and told you his name before the interview?

Anonymous

@DamkerngT. It is now a comment :-)

Arrowfar

07:19

@DamkerngT. Yes he did but I forgot his name afterwards.

Damkerng T.

@Arrowfar A-ha! That's probably the reason why he could feel bad.

@snailplane Yay!

Anonymous

@DamkerngT. I was considering deleting it. Do you think it should be deleted? We have a meta question on this topic right now:

Anonymous

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Q: Should we delete answers that have no explanations?

From time to time one runs across answers here that offer nothing beyond a bare answer to the question taken in a narrow sense. In particular, there's no general explanation, no attempt to show a larger pattern by giving good and bad examples, nor anything beyond the simplest possible answer to o...

Arrowfar

well I can't remember names at the first meeting. It takes some time for me :)

Damkerng T.

@snailplane I'm not sure!

Anonymous

07:21

J.R.'s answer, which is currently the top answer, suggests converting them to comments if they're useful. This one may not be so useful as it is.

CowperKettle

Arrowfar

well anyway.

Damkerng T.

@Arrowfar @snailplane's trick is good, if you can't remember someone's name.

CowperKettle

(a chess player in Yekaterinburg who reminds some character from some cartoon)

Arrowfar

Chess. I used to play chess.

Anonymous

07:22

I like to play chess. My father has a large library of books on chess and played chess with me when I was little.

Anonymous

I'm not very good, though. I always got steamrolled :-)

Damkerng T.

(Though snailplane didn't imply that we can only use it only when we forget someone's name.)

Arrowfar

@DamkerngT. Yes I liked her comment.

Anonymous

He never once took it easy on me.

CowperKettle

@snailplane My uncle was a half-professional player; lots of books, lots of chess sets

Damkerng T.

07:22

@snailplane Aww :-)

CowperKettle

@snailplane maybe you were too smart to be taken easy on

Anonymous

@CowperKettle I wish I had actually joined chess team in school. I used to hang out with the chess team, but I never properly joined :-)

CowperKettle

(0:

Damkerng T.

I wish (Thai) chess competitions over here were more attractive.

CowperKettle

more attractive?

Anonymous

07:28

You know what one of my favorite things is? Chess, the musical.

Damkerng T.

I've never felt at home with international chess, though, personally.

Anonymous

@CowperKettle Well, chess competitions in Thailand wear such frumpy skirts.

Damkerng T.

@snailplane Yes! I remember that!

@CowperKettle They could add make the awards look more attractive. :-)

CowperKettle

@snailplane (0: Yes, they should invite more kathoey to the competitions

Damkerng T.

It's the same phenomenon in badminton a decade ago.

Anonymous

07:30

@CowperKettle I had to look that up.

CowperKettle

A kathoey is 'a good chess player' in Thai, if I remembered it correctly

Arrowfar

We could all play chess online too I think :-)

But it can be boring.

Damkerng T.

Indonesia had like 50 tournaments each year, and it's enough to live by playing badminton. It had never been that way (still not that way nowadays) in Thailand.

Anonymous

Oh yeah, I played chess online with lekon chekon.

Damkerng T.

@snailplane I remember that, too!

Arrowfar

07:31

Oh nice.

Anonymous

That was fun.

CowperKettle

Lekon is a master player

Damkerng T.

:D

Anonymous

@CowperKettle Oh, then what does that make me, who defeated lekon? :-D

Anonymous

momentarily proud

Anonymous

07:32

I'm actually not very good at chess, but I do enjoy it.

Damkerng T.

@snailplane Lekon slayer. :P

CowperKettle

(0:

Anonymous

I was trying to make frumpy a word of the day. I wonder if I can get away with that.

CowperKettle

Snail the Lekon slayer

Anonymous

Word of the day: frumpy

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Damkerng T.

07:33

Ah, it's a real word!

I thought it was a new word coined after the election.

CowperKettle

@DamkerngT. no, that would be trumpy

Arrowfar

@snailplane So if I want to play chess will I have to sign up there? Can I have the link to the game please? :-)

I think I missed that.

Anonymous

@DamkerngT. I checked out the list of reviews for that other post, and all five so far were delete or recommend deletion (for people without enough reputation to cast delete votes from review). So I went ahead and deleted it.

Damkerng T.

@snailplane Got it!

It sounds like our site is getting bigger!

Anonymous

@Arrowfar I'll have to find it in the chat transcripts.

Arrowfar

07:36

oh, then it is fine. Some other time maybe.

Damkerng T.

th-th.facebook.com/…

Thai Chess Competition: Winner 20,000 baht, with an honor cup.

sad

It's about 561 USD. That amount of money can't even buy an iPhone!

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Q: Can the definite article "the" follow phrases like "a number of" or "a lot of" and why?

Can the definite article, "the" be used after the idiomatic phrases like "a number of" or "a lot of"? And I would like to know the reason for the answer. I made example sentences below. A number of people/the people have become members of the organization. We have a lot of things/the th...

definite-article zero-article

I don't know why the downvote!

yubraj sharma

08:39

2

Q: Experiential "Have" and "Get"

I've read in Longman English Grammar (PDF, page 258) that we use get and get / have+object+past participle in a non-causative way for accidents, disasters, etc. that happen beyond our control. For example, Don't join in the argument or you might get your nose punched. She had her hous...

verbs perfect-constructions causative-have present causative-get

Why this question is getting close votes ? I think this question isn't getting enough attention.

You might get your nose punched :D

Damkerng T.

08:56

@yubrajsharma Maybe the votes were cast before the recent revisions.

Your question has been edited 10 times!

yubraj sharma

Umm☺Nods....

I don't know why this isn't getting enough attention though the question is with upvotes

Damkerng T.

Personally, I don't think trying hard to classify every sentence into causative, non-causative, experiential, non-experiential is very useful, unless you're doing some linguistic tasks or the teacher told you to do so.

Secondly, the answer to "Do we use have and get non-causatively in every situation when something happens to us beyond our control?" is obviously "No."

yubraj sharma

But the question is clear enough with source!

Damkerng T.

But there are two upvotes, so two users think your question is a good question! :-)

@yubrajsharma It's clear, but it's not productive for learners, IMO.

I didn't cast my vote on your question, BTW.

yubraj sharma

Do you think second question is worth deleting?

Damkerng T.

09:06

Well, you and two others think it's useful, so it's probably useful to some learners.

My opinion is just my opinion. :-)

yubraj sharma

Okey

I want to learn some expression or phrases starting with 'As'

Some Fixed expression starting with 'As' in Written and spoken English: As said by ...., As mentioned in/by..., As I said before, As I told you, As previously mentioned

Could you tell me How to use these phrases correctly ?

I don't know how to ask this question in ELL

@DamkerngT.

V.V.

@DamkerngT., so many questions, even I answered some.

How are you? Sawasdee kha.

Damkerng T.

@yubrajsharma First rule of thumb in learning anything about a language on your own: get real. I mean, either you find something and get curious or if you want to learn about a "construction", find real uses out there.

@V.V. I'm good, thanks! Sawasdee khrap! How are you?

V.V.

Fine, thanks.

yubraj sharma

Nods..

@V.V. Where is so many questions which you answered some ?

V.V.

09:22

I will leave a "Happy Thanksgiving " for US people and go.

yubraj sharma

@DamkerngT. Do you have any tips for me as to how should I ask the question about 'As' ......? I'm puzzled here as it includes many phrases

Anonymous

10:02

Happy regular day, @V.V.! :-)

Anonymous

Someone should star Damkerng's "get real" chat message.

Anonymous

0

Q: I cadged this key chain off Jackie

I see this cool key chain in my friend's house, Jackie. I pick it up and tell her, "Cool key chain. Why don't you give it to me?" She wants it back, we casually struggle for a while, and finally she gives up because it's not really expensive and we're friends although she didn't want to give it t...

word-request

Anonymous

Word of the day: cadge

3

Anonymous

I've never heard it before!

CowperKettle

11:36

> Early 17th century (in the dialect sense ‘carry about’): back-formation from the noun cadger, which dates from the late 15th century, denoting (in northern English and Scots) an itinerant dealer, whence the verb sense ‘hawk, peddle’, giving rise to the current verb senses from the early 19th century.

also on the cadge

CowperKettle

11:58

> The team found that when they artificially increased the activity of genes that promote mitophagy, including that of several genes implicated in familial forms of Parkinson's disease, the fraction of mutated mtDNA in the fly muscle cells was dramatically reduced.

sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/11/161122123650.htm

CowperKettle

12:37

Word of the day: heterochronic parabiosis

M.A.R.

12:49

@snailplane And the OP wonders if it's common in AmE . . .

@CowperKettle Jargon. That's cheating

CowperKettle

@M.A.R. In Russia, the famous woman singer Alla Pugacheva (67 yo) has a husband, a famous TV presenter and showman, who is 40 years old. Now I know that they are in heterochronic parabiosis.

Hanaa

13:27

Hi all !

CowperKettle

13:41

Hi, Hanaaa! Sorry, busy translating!

Stack Exchange

14:14

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Q: Proposal: register, formal-register and informal-register tags to replace formality, formal and informal-english

In What is the difference between the "formality" and "formal" tags? the difference is said to be that formality is asking about the register of something, and formal is for questions that are requesting answers in a particular register. I propose that we Make formal a synonym of a new tag...

discussion tags

Araucaria

16:34

0

A: Proposal: register, formal-register and informal-register tags to replace formality, formal and informal-english

The term REGISTER is often misused by inexperienced teachers of English to denote what is more properly termed as style. Register does not primarily concern formality or informality, rather it refers to the types of vocabulary, grammatical constructions and idioms used by a particular group of la...

Anonymous

17:06

@CowperKettle No fair, that's two words! ;-)

Man_From_India

Good evening @snailplane

Happy Thanksgiving :-)

Anonymous

Happy regular day, @Man_From_India!

Man_From_India

There must be celebration time, right?

Anonymous

Well, yesterday.

Anonymous

But I thought I'd greet you with "Happy regular day", because I figured it was a regular day where you were :-)

Damkerng T.

17:12

0

Q: What is this strange construction?

Othello, as with any other play by W. Shakespeare, is much of the savour of human complexity. He presents a diversity of psychological specimens, through which can we, if ever so inclined, essay to plumb the consciousness of the era, age, epoch in which we happen, at a given time, to find ourselv...

meaning-in-context

I could be wrong, but I think there is a 60% chance that the text is by a non-native speaker.

It seems they tried too hard.

BTW, Happy Thanksgiving!

CowperKettle

@snailplane (0:

Hanaa

@CowperKettle Don't worry. Me too :)

CowperKettle

(0: And now I'm busy proofreading

Hanaa

@CowperKettle Good luck!

CowperKettle

Thank you, Hanaa!

Hanaa

17:20

I care about feedback as much as I do with salary.

Is this sentence ok?

CowperKettle

no

> I care about feedback as much as I do about salary.

Hanaa

Yes

CowperKettle

oh, the word homochronic exists too

and homochronous

Anonymous

@CowperKettle Both quite rare! But happily transparent.

CowperKettle

> 40 yo male seeks a contragendered partner for homochronic parabiosis.

Nice and short

(0:

Hanaa

17:31

I googled it, but I didn't find definitions

CowperKettle

what word did you google?

Hanaa

homochronous (ho-mok´ro-nәs) occurring at the same age or life stage in successive generations. denoting the same age or stage of development, as tissue from one organism transplanted into another of the developmental stage.
Found on http://www.encyclo.co.uk/local/21001

CowperKettle

yay!

Hanaa

I read that definition without understanding it. It seems related to medecine.

CowperKettle

If two people are "homochronic", this simply means they are of the same age

It is a fancy word to make an article look "scientific"

Damkerng T.

17:36

Word of Tomorrow: smartglasses

(Not sure if glass or glasses is more appropriate.)

Hanaa

Smart phones then smart glasses!

CowperKettle

well, a smartglass can be half-smart or half-fool, it depends

Damkerng T.

@CowperKettle Haha!

CowperKettle

@DamkerngT. (0:

Man_From_India

@snailplane nods it's 25th here.

Damkerng T.

17:38

@CowperKettle If only HoloLens was not at $3000.

But if I try to buy one I'm sure that when I wear it, the half-smart part would be the smartglasses, not me. :P

Hanaa

@DamkerngT. :D

Damkerng T.

forums.hololens.com/discussion/3120/…

It looks like it could be used to make interesting games and applications, though.

Hanaa

@DamkerngT. I see that they are more than a half then :D

Damkerng T.

:D

Ah, they're rerunning London Has Fallen on my Fox channel. This time they spelled the title right (not like London Has A Fallen in the Premiere)!

M.A.R.

17:58

I have a fallen too. It's really yummy

feature-request make ''fallen'' a fruit name

Damkerng T.

@M.A.R. :D

CowperKettle

18:16

looks so much like my Nelson

Anonymous

18:52

@CowperKettle Aww :-)

Anonymous

By the way, when I saw "my Nelson", I immediately thought of:

Anonymous

But then I saw it was in ELL chat, not in Japanese.SE chat :-)

M.A.R.

@CowperKettle So if he's not your Nelson, whose Nelson is he?

Anonymous

Although I haven't used my Nelson in years.

M.A.R.

18:57

@snailplane The design reminds me of 1950s Japan

user62015

19:24

@snailplane @M.A.R. Hi! Could you help me out?

M.A.R.

Sure

@user62015 Please don't ping ''snailplane'' from now on unless you really need to. She's a mod and is busy in real life too.

We'd be happier to help, and pings don't annoy me.

But they might annoy other people.

And I've been telling you this for the past three months

user62015

Oh sorry

Will you help me?

Everyone agrees/ that Rahul is wiser than/all the members/ of the family. Could you see any error in the sentence?

M.A.R.

Not in the first look

user62015

Answer says "all other the members"

M.A.R.

That's definitely wrong.

user62015

19:27

It is right but I am not sure should we use members or member?

M.A.R.

''all other members'' is correct, but that doesn't make ''all the members'' incorrect.

''all the members'' is used in that place all the time. But it's a bit semantically lagging

Because Rahul is a member of the family and he can't be wiser than himself; you know what I'm saying?

user62015

Yes.

M.A.R.

''all other the members'' is stupidly, hilariously wrong.

user62015

So what I do then?

M.A.R.

''all the other members'' or ''all other members'' are good alternatives.

@user62015 Laugh at the author, or mail them that they have a typo in their FLAWLESS book

user62015

19:31

Although he/ only earns eight hundred rupees a month,/ he manages to support /his family adequately.

M.A.R.

@user62015 Both plural and singular nouns can happily take a ''the''.

user62015

hundred rupee a month or hundred rupees a month?

M.A.R.

@user62015 Doesn't flow well, but it's not wrong.

@user62015 Rupees.

user62015

Okay.

M.A.R.

google.com/…

user62015

19:33

Thanks.

Anonymous

@user62015 all the other members, not all other the members. Did you miscopy it?

user62015

Okay.

Please wait.

Let me check. Please wait.

Everyone agrees/ that Rahul is wiser than/all the members/ of the family.

This is the question. But Answer says all the members is an error. So I think, all the other members

M.A.R.

@user62015 But the answer says ''all other the members''?

user62015

No.

bankaspire.in/2015/09/…

2.Everyone agrees/ that Rahul is wiser than/all the members/ of the family.
Ans:Put ‘other’ after ‘all’.Refer Rule2.

Anonymous

@user62015 *all other the members is ungrammatical.

user62015

19:42

What should be answer?

Anonymous

In this case, other is an adjective, so it has to come after the determiner the.

Anonymous

All the other members would be fine.

user62015

I am confused here.

Could I ask you something? If you don't mind

Can we use plural noun after any other and no other

Anonymous

Yes.

M.A.R.

@user62015 But it does say that

user62015

19:45

Can we? Let me give you an example

M.A.R.

@user62015 Sure, why not?

user62015

(i) He is more intelligent than any other student of the class

Can we say "He is more intelligent than any other students of the class"

Which one is correct? any other students vs any other student?

Anonymous

You can use the singular OR the plural after any other.

user62015

Okay. Thanks.

Anonymous

Any and no are not specifically singular or plural.

user62015

19:49

Great. One more question. Although he/ only earns eight hundred rupees a month,/ he manages to support /his family adequately. Should we use rupee or rupees?

M.A.R.

@user62015 Didn't I answer this?

user62015

I am so sorry but you seem very rude and aggressive.

You must be polite

If you don't want to help don't bother

But don't target them directly

M.A.R.

@user62015 Towards who?

user62015

Specially towards me

M.A.R.

What?

I just said you shouldn't ping people.

Because that would annoy them.

How is that ''an attack''?

And if that's not what you meant, then please show me where I attacked you so I could improve my behavior.

user62015

19:58

If they have issue they can talk directly

People are very helpful here.

I never had experience when people said no or anything aggressive.

M.A.R.

@user62015 And I'm talking directly. Don't mass-ping people.

That's SE etiquette.

@user62015 And you'll lose those helpful people if they're ever annoyed by your superfluous pinging.

user62015

No one has time to disturb anyone

M.A.R.

I know you mean well.

But pings do annoy people if done excessively.

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Q: Verb forms for "any" and "none" — have or has?

That car is way better than any car any of us have/has ever driven. None of us know/knows which direction Ron's house is (in). I have two questions here. In both the cases, are we to use the singular verb, or the plural? In the end of the second sentence, is using the preposition whe...

prepositions singular-vs-plural verb-forms

M.A.R.

@User6 I'm a room owner here and my most important mission is to ensure people here are having fun. That's why I did my duty and warned you. Please take your criticism, accept that you shouldn't have pinged people and move on. And please don't bounce back. Take a look at how many people ask questions daily on chatrooms without pinging too many people and still get their answers fast.

If I sounded too aggressive, my apologies, but that's still no excuse to ignore what I said.

lekon chekon

20:36

Hey.

I come here with a doubt in my mind that need to be cleared so that I can sleep at night. ._.

@M.A.R.
I don't even remember the last time I had a talk with you. .-.

Damkerng T.

@lekonchekon Aww... I can't help you tonight because I'm heading out to my bed. :-)

BTW, have a nice chat, everyone!

See you later!

lekon chekon

@DamkerngT.
Have a good sleep. :3

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