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Lawrence

00:15

@DamkerngT. Presumably, there's a learning guide written in Chinese :P . Although Chinese verbs are not conjugated (inflected?), it might even be easier in Chinese because the tense is given explicitly in the phrase. An English word-for-word 'translation' from a possible Chinese version of the first table might be "I yesterday see", "I now see", "I tomorrow see", "I if/perhaps see" (?), "I see" (or perhaps "I see at-present"), "see" (or perhaps "I go see").

... or something like that. The point is that the table can be laid out easily and fairly systematically with short Chinese phrases.

CowperKettle

03:47

> Process-related impurities encompass those that are derived from the
manufacturing process, i.e., cell substrates (e.g., host cell proteins, host cell
DNA), cell culture (e.g., inducers, antibiotics, or media components), or
downstream processing (see appendix.B). Product-related impurities (e.g.,
precursors, certain degradation products) are molecular variants arising during
manufacture and/or storage that do not have properties comparable to those of the
desired product with respect to activity, efficacy, and safety

I've read this paragraph 10 times, and I don't get the difference.

fda.gov/downloads/drugs/guidancecomplianceregulatoryinformation/…

CowperKettle

05:17

What happened to quantitation in 1982?

Anonymous

05:41

By the way, I'm here, so you can ping me, I'm just not saying much at the moment.

Anonymous

So I'll drop a Good morning! in, since though it's not morning here, it is morning somewhere in the world:

Anonymous

Good morning! :-)

CowperKettle

Good morning, Snails! (0:

Although it is 23:46 in Los Gatos.

No, it's only 22:52..

It's an overcast morn in Yekaterinburg, thank you for lighting it up with your Good Morning.

Anonymous

05:57

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CowperKettle

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Hitesh_Androiduser3797630

10:15

Good Morning all

I am newbie here

Rubisco

10:33

@Hitesh_Androiduser3797630 Morning

Welcome to this chat

@snailplane O.O

Rubisco

11:01

Hey Dam

@DamkerngT. I read that Googlebox

Damkerng T.

@Rubisco LOL

Hi, @Hitesh_Androiduser3797630! Welcome to the room!

Rubisco

BTW

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Q: 2016 Moderator Election Q&A - Question Collection

Chemistry is scheduled for an election starting next week, October 3rd. In connection with that election, we will be hosting a Q&A here for candidates. This will be an opportunity for members of the community to pose questions to the candidates on the topic of moderation. Participation is comple...

O.O

Damkerng T.

@Rubisco There's no info about the number of moderators yet.

Rubisco

@DamkerngT. We can be certain it's a number more than 0.5.

Damkerng T.

:D

Rubisco

11:16

And less than 4660. Since that's the number of active users last month

Damkerng T.

LOL

CowperKettle

\o, Muhammad, Sawasdee afternoon, Dam!

Rubisco

Hullo, Art

Damkerng T.

Zdorovo and sawasdee khrap!

Full treatment of definite (and indefinite) articles could be worth a chapter or a thesis or even a book. It's particularly difficult for learners whose first languages have no articles. The most succinct explanation of "definite" I've come across is "(the speaker thinks) you know which I mean". (Keep in mind that there are an overwhelming number of curious/unexpected cases in real usage.) For more details, read the "two basic rules" in my old answer to this question: ell.stackexchange.com/questions/17430/… — Damkerng T. 5 mins ago

Wow, I had to edit this comment like five times! (One for additional information, and the rest for typos and grammatical mistakes!)

Rubisco

You need to buy a new finger set

Damkerng T.

11:24

@Rubisco Could be useful! :D

Rubisco

I heard Intel's are quality stuff

Damkerng T.

They must be expensive. :P

But while we're at articles. Here's an interesting article (no pun intended): theguardian.com/books/2015/jan/15/…

Rubisco

I think they give a handsome discount for things older than 9 billion years old

Damkerng T.

@Rubisco They might not have a compatible model, even!

Huh? The Night Manager is based on a French novel?!

Lawrence

@CowperKettle Between process-related impurities and product-related impurities?

Rubisco

11:37

Damkerng T.

11:48

Ah, wait, I thought it was a French novel, but it's not! John le Carré is an Englishman.

@Rubisco Hehe! -- (The humor is a bit grayish, I think.)

Okey dokey, I bought it.

Rubisco

Bought what

Damkerng T.

The Night Manager

(It's still running on AMC.)

I guess I'm a guy who likes reading tie-in novels. :)

Rubisco

When you've tried enough new things in life, repeating doing stuff feels better

Damkerng T.

Tie-in novels are not that bad (as some people might think). It's like after enjoying the sight and sound of the story on screen, we can still appreciate the story being told in another way, verbally.

Lawrence

12:06

Trying a new strategy. Too much? (@snailplane)

Yes, it does. And if you edit to elaborate, feel free to ping me to reciprocate. :) — Lawrence 37 secs ago

Rubisco

@Lawrence 'reciprocate' causes rash on ELL

Lawrence

@Rubisco Oh.

Ah, well. I wasn't sure if it'd be taken in the right spirit anyway. Comment deleted.

Araucaria

12:24

@DamkerngT. That is indeed the best succinct explanation, imo! (the is a procedural instruction. It has no lexical meaning). :) Gotta rush. Ciao all!

CowperKettle

> To test how oxytocin might influence spirituality, researchers administered the hormone to one group and a placebo to another. Those who received oxytocin were more likely to say afterwards that spirituality was important in their lives and that life has meaning and purpose. This was true after taking into account whether the participant reported belonging to an organized religion or not. (sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/09/160921085458.htm)

streptavidine-HRP conjugate wins out

Færd

in English Language & Usage, 6 mins ago, by Færd

Four kindhearted people who sincerely tried to answer my question and yet ended up receiving four downvotes from me for being completely irrelevant. This is what disheartens me from participating on the main site.

Rubisco

@Færd It wouldn't have if y'all thought of it differently.

You didn't rate them down.

You rate their post.

You only rate content.

Færd

Well?

Rubisco

I think of voting as something like rearranging a bunch of papers.

It's not like voting in an election.

Færd

12:37

@Rubisco Yes, it is. But I'm not sad about the downvotings per se.

Rubisco

You're not really, shouldn't be really voting for something you like, but for something you found useful.

Færd

Well, I'm not sad at all.

Rubisco

That they're most of the times the same is coincidental.

@Færd Hey not sad at all. I'm Rubisco

CowperKettle

> Think, ye users iron-hearted,
Voting at your forum boards,
Think how many minds have smarted
For the points your vote affords.

(source)

Færd

@Rubisco Heh, somebody over there thought I was annoyed with the downvotings too.

Hitesh_Androiduser3797630

12:43

@Rubisco Thank you, I am here to improve my english skill

Rubisco

@Hitesh_Androiduser3797630 We all are

@Færd Mitch isn't just somebody

Færd

@Rubisco But I disagree with his claim.

Everybody is somebody.

Rubisco

I'm too meh to be on either side.

CowperKettle

> Then we added 50 µl of stop solution to each well. (I used to write "into", but noticed that it's "to" in a number of texts).

> We carefully shook (?) the analyzed plate on an orbital shaker. ("shook" looks odd, but I don't know what other word could be used here)

Damkerng T.

@Færd What? 4 answers and all got -1!

Færd

12:56

Yeah. From me. And I have cast, like, 10 times as many +1's as -1's so far.

(I haven't count them; just an estimation.)

Damkerng T.

@CowperKettle shook is fine with me. I know that kind of feeling. I just ran into forsook and even though I knew what it means, it looked weird! :)

@Færd nods

CowperKettle

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The government plans to remove all officially jobless people (read: freelancers) from state healthcare.

And to introduce a special toll for the same people (read: freelancers).

Things started turning pear-shaped only 10 days after the "election".

I would not be surprised if there will be some violence this time next year, or in 2018.

Russia has the National Wealth Fund (oil money), it will run out about this time next year.

My relative cannot find work, with a diploma in construction.

It's funny that the year 2017 will be a crisis year, while the year 1917 was the year of two revolutions and of a civil war

Meanwhile, oil money is being spent on bombing Aleppo into rubble to help the criminal Assad.

Rubisco

13:15

@CowperKettle It's at least better than helping the criminal other side.

I guess the best thing to do for the world today is choose bad and kill worse.

The ISIS plague should be killed with extreme prejudice, 'cause if they survive like bacteria, like they always do, they're gonna become something more horrifying next time.

Deo

Eh.. It's more like trying to put out fire with gasoline

Hi all

Damkerng T.

> Panel member: If you were to meet these Vegans, and were permitted only one question to ask of them, what would it be?
Ellie Arroway: Well, I suppose it would be, how did you do it? How did you evolve, how did you survive this technological adolescence without destroying yourself?

> --Contact

V.V.

14:13

MAR, you might become rich in the nearest future, because I didn't recognize you under your new name and even wanted to ask .

CowperKettle

> The correlation coefficient determined for the curve of the reference sample vs. test solution is not less than 0.95.

Can there be a "correlation coefficient" of a curve, I wonder.

@V.V. He will be a billionaire, judging by his nickname change frequency

V.V.

Do they have the same saying?

CowperKettle

No, it's only in Russian

V.V.

Then nobody will understand.

CowperKettle

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V.V.

14:21

Judging by your sentences you are in the lab filled will solutions.

CowperKettle

@V.V. I'm in a room filled with a cat.

It's too expensive for the companies to drag translators into actual offices

V.V.

It's cold and gloomy, but no rain.

CowperKettle

It's cold, and I overindulged on mushrooms, hence no jogging today

But is was sunny in spots in the day

Damkerng T.

14:57

Word of the Day: pantscraper

CowperKettle

16:23

Good morning, @snailplane. I hope you had a good night's sleep. (0:

@DamkerngT. Nice word, but not very widespread!

Damkerng T.

We need more pantscrapers to spread the word!

CowperKettle

Okay, if I scrape my pants, would that count?

Damkerng T.

LOL -- Prolly!

CowperKettle

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Stack Exchange

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Q: The sticking-place question

The site still needs consistency with regard to etymology and Historical English. The Etymology tag is still here, almost two years after two questions about the tag have been posted. And the Help Center Page What topics can I ask about here? quite clearly says This is not the right site for...

discussion

CowperKettle

17:28

Is it better to use capital "L" or small "l" in phrases like "5 mg/mL"?

Rubisco

@CowperKettle Liter is capital L.

CowperKettle

Thanks!

Færd

17:55

> Clinton: At least I have a plan to fight ISIS.
> Trump: No no, you're telling the enemy everything you wanna do.

This is just too much fun.

Rubisco

@Færd To spoil the fun, the fun is gonna end in about a month.

Færd

It has been going on for years. You can go watch some George W. Bush clips.

Rubisco

reddit.com/r/rockets/comments/1ft7vi/rocket_that_shoots_80_ft

CowperKettle

With Putin using the region for his geopolitical games, it may drag on longer.

Welcome to the ELL room, @MickSharpe!

Mick Sharpe

Hi, there!

Færd

18:06

@Rubisco instructables.com/id/Soda-Bottle-Water-Rocket

They used to do that a lot where I worked.

And there are actual tournaments for that, IIRC.

Mick Sharpe

@HarrisWeinstein - do you know of any recordings of really good organists playing the Las Pinas instrument? The stuff that I've found on YouTube is pretty iffy.

Rubisco

@MickSharpe Hello! Welcome

@MickSharpe Who's that?

@Færd I wonder if you got the joke

Færd

I guess I did and spoiled it too.

Rubisco

@Færd Physicists

Mick Sharpe

@Rubisco It's off-topic question for one my my respondents on ELL. Hopefully, he'll check in.

Rubisco

18:11

@MickSharpe But he didn't get the ping, sadly. Topicality is not a problem

especially not in a chatroom about snails and cats

CowperKettle

18:24

translated 11 000 characters

How is your Finnish poetry translation moving along, @V.V.?

V.V.

Just had a lesson. A bit tired.

CowperKettle

I see

V.V.

What do they do "on laurels"? Sleep?

CowperKettle

Rest

V.V.

Fine. The next stage is in a month.

CowperKettle

18:39

dictionary.cambridge.org/ru/…

@V.V. Will you post some in your account?

V.V.

Some of what?

CowperKettle

Some of poetry

Чё то ржу

Rubisco

No Greek Russian in this chat

V.V.

Lol

I know only one Persian word.

CowperKettle

Paeez?

V.V.

18:49

Ugu.

Thai Russian possible perhaps.

Rubisco

U-what?

If that's Persian, we're cavemen

CowperKettle

"Ugu" is vernacular Russian for "yes"

also known as "aga"

Standard Russian for yes is "da"

V.V.

And I remember Dam 's cat.

Rubisco

@V.V. That's Hagu, not Ugu

CowperKettle

It's like "aye" in English.

Only "ugu" is not used in Parliament

V.V.

18:57

What about aye?

CowperKettle

it's English for "yes"

V.V.

I thought it was sailors' word.

CowperKettle

> In putting the typical question for a voice vote, the chair says, “Those in favor of the motion, say aye” and “Those opposed, say no” (Robert’s Rules of Order Newly Revised (RONR), p. 44). The chair announces “The ayes have it” or “The noes have it”

sites.google.com/site/paulmcclintockparliamentarian/…

Voice vote

In parliamentary procedure, a voice vote (or viva voce, from the Latin, "live voice") is a voting method in deliberative assemblies (such as legislatures) in which a vote is taken on a topic or motion by responding verbally. The voice vote, or acclamation, is considered the simplest and quickest of voting methods used by deliberative assemblies. The presiding officer or chair of the assembly will put the question to the assembly, asking first for all those in favor of the motion to indicate so verbally ("aye" or "yes"), and then ask second all those opposed to the motion to indicate so verbally...

> There’s no meaningful difference between Yea and Aye, and Nay and No. They both mean “I vote in favor” or “I vote against”. The difference is just a matter of procedure. The Constitution actually requires “Yea” and “Nay” for votes on the passage of bills (Article I Section 7), and so the House and Senate both do that for those particular votes.

In the USA, it's yea

govtrack.us/blog/2009/11/18/aye-versus-yea-whats-the-difference

Another phrase is hear, hear

Hear, hear

Hear, hear is an expression used as a short, repeated form of hear him. It represents a listener's agreement with the point being made by a speaker. It was originally an imperative for directing attention to speakers, and has since been used, according to the Oxford English Dictionary, as "the regular form of cheering in the House of Commons", with many purposes, depending on the intonation of its user. Its use in Parliament is linked to the fact that applause is normally (though not always) forbidden in the chambers of the House of Commons and House of Lords. The phrase hear him, hear him! was...

> The overuse of the phrase by an eager member of the House of Commons led Richard Brinsley Sheridan, in one speech, to deviate from his planned text and say "Where, oh where, shall we find a more foolish knave or a more knavish fool than this?". The eager Member of Parliament repeated "hear, hear."

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Q: "Hear hear" or "here here"

Which one is it really: hear hear or here here? Where does the saying really come from?

etymology expressions

Aye aye, sir

"Aye aye, sir" is a phrase commonly heard present day in naval language. It is derived from a duplicate of the word "aye" which came into the English language in the late 16th century and early 17th century, meaning "Yes; even so.". == Description == It was common in dialect and is the formal word for voting "yes" in the English House of Commons. Its most common use is as a naval response indicating that an order has been received, is understood, and will be carried out immediately. It differs from "yes", which, in standard usage, could mean simple agreement without any intention to act. In naval...

Good night!

V.V.

Thank you.

Rubisco

21:04

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Q: What does it take to have consensus?

Meta is an odd beast. Admittedly, I still don't understand parts of it. Typically, requests the community can respond to get the required attention. They get decided upon, and acted upon. Requests related to tags, chat events, policy deciding and so on. I don't exactly know or ever wondered how ...

discussion consensus

Well, I wonder if this one will suffer the same fate.

If this one rots, I'm leaving meta.ELL and ELL forever. Mark my words.

It's enough going up and down these figurative hills of emotion.

Self-encouragement leading to despair, then to nihilism and apathy

It should end at some point.

I already have more important real-life concerns.

Stack Exchange

21:22

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Q: What does it take to have consensus?

Meta is an odd beast. Admittedly, I still don't understand parts of it. Typically, requests the community can respond to get the required attention. They get decided upon, and acted upon. Requests related to tags, chat events, policy deciding and so on. I don't exactly know or ever wondered how ...

discussion consensus

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Q: Informailty, modern messaging, and editing

The "acceptable" modes of messaging and exchange of information are constantly evolving. A forum such as this one was unimaginable* just twenty years ago, yet today it can seem positively antiquated when compared to other platforms. I present as an example today's the difference between anyway a...

discussion editing

Damkerng T.

21:32

@Rubisco Please wait at least a week.

I was going to take a short walk for a bit, but spotted your meta post first.

Welcome back, @HostileFork!

HostileFork

@DamkerngT. Oh no, people remember me... :-)

Damkerng T.

;-)

HostileFork

I'm in... Albuquerque... and thought... I'd log in.

Damkerng T.

Nice! Business or pleasure?

HostileFork

How have things been going since the out-of-beta phase?

Damkerng T.

21:36

Hi, @xxxxxx! Welcome to the room!

HostileFork

Attempted pleasure. But I'm not always that good at it, so things turn into business quickly. :-)

Damkerng T.

@HostileFork Lots of tears (of joy). Just kidding! :P

@HostileFork LOL

HostileFork

Speaking of "English", Albuquerque is one of those words I actually keep having to get spelling corrected on.

Damkerng T.

Haha!

I think I should head off for my walk. Nice to see you again. Catch you later!

HostileFork

Later on...

@xxxxxx Quite a high reputation for an account suspended for voting irregularities. I was just at StackExchange HQ in Denver, if something is up let me know.

(via another channel, if chat rights are suspended)

ColleenV

22:33

@Rubisco I sympathize and I'm prepared to do ... something. I'm still learning the ropes a little bit, but I am not afraid to mash buttons :)

We will get one thing actually done

I don't care if it is just one tag burned.

Cardinal

@Rubisco's friends and neighbors are also use the term "aga" when they want to talk in Persian- when they want to say "agha".
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"agha" in Persian means "sir"- the gh part sounds like "r" in the German word "frauen".

Ahmed Hesham Hesham

22:55

Hey guys whats up

ColleenV

Howdy Ahmed

Ahmed Hesham Hesham

how are you

ColleenV

Home for work, so not bad

Ahmed Hesham Hesham

where are you from ?

ColleenV

er Home FROM work

Ahmed Hesham Hesham

22:56

yeah i hope everything alright i am from egypt btw

ColleenV

I apologize for not being able to chat more - I have some things to take care of

I hope you're finding ELL helpful

chat is kind of quiet right now. I think it's dinner and lunch and breakfast time in a lot of the places right now :)

HostileFork

Or perhaps...Hammer time. (Break it down.) :-P

ColleenV

Lol

HostileFork

Hm. That probably doesn't translate well cross-culturally to English learners.

ColleenV

Can't touch this

I'm fairly sure that song charted across the world

HostileFork

23:03

I learned a new saying that's sort of a slang equivelent to "cool story" as a response to someone saying something you want to make fun of them for saying.

Which is "and then you found five dollars..."

But you can say it yourself, too. It works both ways. "And then I found five dollars"

So I'm still learning English, apparently. :-/

ColleenV

:) Aren't we all?

Here's a citation in case we get yelled at for not having one: youtu.be/otCpCn0l4Wo?t=2m5s

HostileFork

If possible, one should cite multiple sources.

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