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CowperKettle

15:00

> i carry your heart with me(i carry it in
my heart)i am never without it(anywhere
i go you go,my dear;and whatever is done
by only me is your doing,my darling)
i fear
no fate(for you are my fate,my sweet)i want
no world(for beautiful you are my world,my true)
and it’s you are whatever a moon has always meant
and whatever a sun will always sing is you

here is the deepest secret nobody knows
(here is the root of the root and the bud of the bud
and the sky of the sky of a tree called life;which grows

This is Lisp code! (0:

ColleenV

i thank You God for most this amazing
day:for the leaping greenly spirits of trees
and a blue true dream of sky; and for everything
which is natural which is infinite which is yes

Everything which ishould yes

CowperKettle

@ColleenV "Leaping greenly spirits of trees" is nice

ColleenV

Ugh my auto correct is killing me

CowperKettle

(0:

ColleenV

Or making me seem very transcendental

user233358

15:10

Whenever I get a red underline on words in chat window I tend to question myself even when the spelling is correct. I think it is my firefox browser.

ColleenV

I'm on my mobile and it has been programmed to make me look stupid I think

I hit space and it fills in some random word, then I try to correct it and make it worse

user233358

Not at all :-)

ColleenV

I am positive that it has nothing to do with me not learning how to use it properly though

user233358

Yeah, auto correct feature and mobile don't go well together.

CowperKettle

> Poetry? It’s a hobby.
I run model trains.
Mr Shaw there breeds pigeons.

It’s not work. You don’t sweat.
Nobody pays for it.
You could advertise soap.

Art, that’s opera; or repertory―
The Desert Song.
Nancy was in the chorus.

But to ask for twelve pounds a week―
married, aren’t you?―
you’ve got a nerve.

How could I look a bus conductor
in the face
if I paid you twelve pounds?

Who says it’s poetry, anyhow?
My ten year old
can do it and rhyme.

I get three thousand and expenses,
a car, vouchers,

(by Basil Bunting)

user233358

15:17

Nice.

user233358

Which book is it from? Can I get the link?

CowperKettle

Basil Bunting

Basil Cheesman Bunting (1 March 1900 – 17 April 1985) was a significant British modernist poet whose reputation was established with the publication of Briggflatts in 1966. He had a lifelong interest in music that led him to emphasise the sonic qualities of poetry, particularly the importance of reading poetry aloud. He was an accomplished reader of his own work, and a born modernist. == Life and career == Born into a Quaker family in Scotswood-on-Tyne, Northumberland, he studied at two Quaker schools: from 1912 to 1916 at Ackworth School in the West Riding of Yorkshire and from 1916 to 1918 at...

I found it online in a blog

user233358

ah

user233358

cool

CowperKettle

Yes, I like it. I like only a handful of non-rhyming poems. (0:

user233358

15:18

oh it is on tumblr

ColleenV

@CowperKettle poems can have a rhythm without rhyming. I think a lot of non-rhyming poets neglect that

There is some popular music now that is very discordant and noisy that I really dislike. I like experimental music like Leslie Claypool or Buckethead, but it just seems like this new stuff is 4 different bands trying to play on the same stage

I must be getting old lol

CowperKettle

Sorry, I'm lurking.. (0: Should be doing some translation or at least read the original text through.

ColleenV

nbc.com/the-tonight-show/video/vince-staples-smile/3095974

I like the rap, but I would rather none of those other people were on stage. Anyhow, I have to get back to work. I'll check back later to see if I am old and uncool.

CowperKettle

You're cool. I like Shakespeare. (0:

CowperKettle

16:38

> It is crucial to point out that psoriasis starts predominantly in working age persons, with some 70% of the patients developing the disease by age 25. (Googling for "develop the disease by age" brings up only 50 results)

What's up with Arrowfar?

Damkerng T.

@CowperKettle What happened?

Oh, did he delete his account?

CowperKettle

He probably decided to delete the account again

Goodbye, Arrowfar.

Come back anytime.

CowperKettle

17:10

> When I come across things like "Hello everyone!" or "My English no good sorry!" or "Thank you for all you help!!!" I routinely edit them out. More than once, though, these edits have been rolled back not by the quærent, but by others with sufficient privileges.

quaerent (0:

V.V.

Nobody here?

I meant "anybody ".

Stuck with one sentence.

CowperKettle

I'm here

V.V.

Can I?

CowperKettle

Yes

V.V.

Or should I wait for Dam?

CowperKettle

17:23

Dam may chip in later. Maybe he is reading the chat now.

V.V.

What would you give, Teddy, at this moment for one of the Jungle Monarch’s long, dull, stodgy dinners, off the guaranteed gold plate which has been in the Panter family since 1905? or even a Panter’s peerless pork-pie? Look, I understand everything, except the connection.

What's "off" exactly?

CowperKettle

It means "from"

> I ate it off the pan

> I ate it off the skillet - Я ел прямо со сковородки

> Hot off the skillet - с пылу, с жару, прямо со сковородки

V.V.

Why "or" then?

Should be a choice?

CowperKettle

What would you give for a dinner off the plate? Or for a pork-pie?

So, this or does not relate to the "off" word. (0:

V.V.

Gold plate can be a dish.

CowperKettle

17:32

It is a dish.

They serve their stodgy dinners on gold plates.

And they may serve the pork pie on gold plates too. (0:

V.V.

Ok, so it's "from"?

Thank you.

CowperKettle

Yes, "off" means "from"... He says: Would not you like to have a good dinner off (from) a golden plate?

You're welcome!

V.V.

Ask down. Is it "invite"?

CowperKettle

> Mrs. Jack. Burrs, limpets, and seccotine also ran. Well, as I was saying, one hurls away the good things of life. He asked me down this week-end. If I had gone, I should now be passing my plate up for a third helping. As it is, I suppose I shall die of starvation in the clouds.

sw-translations.ucoz.ru/forum/9-528-1

ColleenV

It is invite.

You may ask down, over, up

CowperKettle

17:37

I recall a related expression... something like "come down to my place sometimes" or something like that

ColleenV

Usually only up if your flat is upstairs

V.V.

And the first sentence, please. Also ran. The meaning.

ColleenV

Come on down, we'll have a great time

Also ran is a bit of an insult

It means someone who competed, but didn't do well enough to mention

CowperKettle

Is "burr" a kind of food?

V.V.

Thank you Colleen V. But I still don't get it.

CowperKettle

17:41

I don't get it either

V.V.

Noise.

ColleenV

Sort of saying, well they can try, but they aren't as good

CowperKettle

Foodstuffs can try?

ColleenV

I misread the sentence

I'm on my mobile, let me look closer

I misread Burrs as a name lol

V.V.

Noise, employees, and seccotine (glue)...

What's "also ran".?

CowperKettle

17:44

no, not noise.

колючка, репей

burr is a kind of thing that sticks to you

you can't "shake it off"

> Darkside. They tell me Chicago’s a fool to the Panter packing-rooms. I have a profound dislike for that feller.
Lord Teddy. Same here. Always after one, too. Can’t shake him off.
Mrs. Jack. Burrs, limpets, and seccotine also ran. Well, as I was saying, one hurls away the good things of life. He asked me down this week-end. If I had gone, I should now be passing my plate up for a third helping. As it is, I suppose I shall die of starvation in the clouds.

So, this "Chicago" guy is so apt at being after someone, that burrs, limpets and seccotine are inferior to him.

The text is packed with slang

V.V.

Ok, then she calls him names,but "also ran"(this I can't get)

ColleenV

Chicago is probably the town, or society in that town

CowperKettle

D'oh. One probably should read the story from the start. It's hard to understand...

ColleenV

It is difficult

CowperKettle

> "Our preliminary results show that we may in fact be getting some regeneration. Some of those who have lost use of their hands are starting to get function back. That's the first time in history that's ever been done," says Fessler.

sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/09/160914095610.htm

For the first time in history, people with broken spine cords are getting some function back.

Wow.

ColleenV

17:49

Burrs limpets and seccotine are all sticky

V.V.

It can describe his business "packing rooms".

What is "ran"? worked?

ColleenV

It might mean run away

The ladies don't like him, and made excuses to not attend his party

But have trouble with him pursuing them

Oh I just realized this is wodehouse

Many of these names will be references to political figures or events of the time when this was written

V.V.

Yes, I found "Back to Land"

ColleenV

Burrs, limpets, and seccotine probably are allusions to people, but I'm not familiar enough with history to guess who

To truly appreciate his humor you have to know what was going on in the world at the time he wrote something

V.V.

18:04

No, I don't think it's so deep.

I know that. It's not the first thing I am translating.

ColleenV

Lord Teddy? That's a reference to Theodore Roosevelt

V.V.

I thought so.

ColleenV

Who travelled to Panama in 1906 in the fall

So this party that they crash into might be related

It's his balloon they are riding after all

V.V.

That's interesting. I will read about it. Thank you.

ColleenV

I'm not sure though, because the balloon is over the UK

So it is probably about some earlier event

I like Wodehouse because a lot of his work are like puzzles to me. I'm always inspired to learn more history.

V.V.

18:15

I like his language. It's so difficult to translate. Lots of idioms,allusions, pun...

ColleenV

It's very sophisticated, but not in an obvious way. I imagine it's very difficult to translate

Especially when he uses some made up words to create a fantasy dialect.

V.V.

Thank you very much for your help. I will dig further.

I am going to read about Teddy R.

See you later.

ColleenV

Later :)

Damkerng T.

I thought it'd be easy to find, e.g., Qati was a man who had never lost touch with the fundamentals and Bush was the man who collected that particular political pot (both clauses are in the same novel). Or, let's take an example from my recent code: Each segment can be thought of as a linked list, which can be walked through starting from Segment.lastPixel, and Segments is a global array that keeps all linked-list segments. If I were to rephrase the 2nd sentence with the, it may go like Segments is the global array holding all linked-list segments in this implementation. — Damkerng T. 1 min ago

I didn't want to give him some real examples, but I guess examples would be more helpful.

Articles are hard!

Damkerng T.

18:41

A huge improvement I just made in my code:

> Before: fprintf(stderr, "We can handle only binary PGM files now\n");

> After: fprintf(stderr, "We can handle only binary PGM files now.\n");

:D

CowperKettle

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Q: Are "after" and "until" inclusive or exclusive?

The article is as follows The new area code is scheduled to be put into service next September. From that time until the following July, there will be a "permissive dialing period" when callers can use either the old area code or the new area code. After July, use of the new area code wi...

After July can mean "In July".

O_O

Damkerng T.

@CowperKettle Hah!

CowperKettle

@DamkerngT. Nice!

Damkerng T.

@CowperKettle Hee :-)

CowperKettle

Why isn't it cout instead of fprintf?

Damkerng T.

18:44

@CowperKettle Well, my native mode probably still is C.

CowperKettle

I just recall that cout thing with two angle brackets

Damkerng T.

So unless the structure demands real OOP, I'd still simply do it in plain C.

CowperKettle

cout<<

nods

Damkerng T.

Actually, I would avoid coding in either C or C++, but I have to use C this time because it's supposed to be "fast".

CowperKettle

I see! I'm not in the know about today's preferred languages.

Damkerng T.

18:46

Most folks these days simply use either Python or MATLAB.

CowperKettle

Good night!

Damkerng T.

Good night!

Avicenna

20:14

tehrantimes.com/news/403636/…

Nothing really can stop one from fulfilling their dreams, from being the best! :-)

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