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Jim Reynolds

02:40

@Law The OP strikes me as sincere but struggling.

I don't think you are besmirching anyone by raising the question. Not at all.

Cardinal

Is it really corret. I thought "what would happen if + present tense" is wrong, but this answer says sometbing different:

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A: Correct use of will & would?

I think there's an implied meaning in using "will" vs. "would" in hypotheticals. In your first example, would and will are both correct. Will, I believe implies a higher level of expected certainty. By that I mean, if you ask "what will happen" you're expecting the reader to infer that the ans...

Jim Reynolds

@Car I have many favorite movies that come to mind at different times. One is interestingly titled: Bagdad Cafe (!)

g.co/kgs/KV309A

Another is Rambling Rose

Inland Empire

Cardinal

nods

Jim Reynolds

The Grifters

Sophie's Choice

Cardinal

No, I was wrong It does not say something different

I mean the mentioned answer.

Jim Reynolds

02:50

What would happen if our mother walks in right now?

Ok

Cardinal

Jim I didn't see those movies, but i will

@JimReynolds Is that grammatical?

Jim Reynolds

All of them tend to be deeply emotional films.

Yes. We often backshift, but we don't have to.

I think using the present makes the possibility seem more likely, generally.

Cardinal

Oh, I didn't know that

Jim Reynolds

I am not an expert on this. It's my feeling.

Cardinal

Is it only common in "what would happen" questions?

Jim Reynolds

02:56

How would you feel .... etc. Same.

More common to backshift. More formal. More likely not to backshift in speech vs writing.

But present form is natural

Cardinal

nods

Jim Reynolds

Where should we go if it rains?

Even in formal speech, that seems very common.

When something is very unlikely or impossible, we would much more likely to backshift.

What would you do if the sun didn't rise tomorrow?

Cardinal

Should is a weird animal. The past or present is not clear completely :-)

@JimReynolds I see

Jim Reynolds

Same with would and could. Very confusing.

But hmmm.. sun doesn't rise... is also quite natural and likely!

Cardinal

> what would happen if you don't receive the fundings

I heard that on TV

I came to search about it

CowperKettle

03:06

Sawasdee khrap

Cardinal

It was an interview about international fundings for afganistan, BBC

@CowperKettle Hi and good morning

Jim Reynolds

03:26

@Cardinal Yes. It's fine.

CowperKettle

03:49

869 words already O_O

in 2 months

I wonder if someone had started to learn Russian in this way 2 months ago - would they have really learned several hundred words by now?

Or any other language

I still don't get the meaning of a card's "ease"

The other statistics seem more or less comprehensible, but it took awhile to get it.

I entered a handful of non-technical words there, like "sool"

Bye, Cardi!

Too bad I can't install this program on my Nokia

I should buy a dirt-cheap Android phone just for Anki (0:

Cardinal

04:06

@CowperKettle Good job

CowperKettle

Thank you! I estimate that about 60% is really learned.

When I was memorizing using copy books, I got the same figure. About 33% is lost from the memory.

> Table column: [Used in:][Crohn's disease, including the pediatric form]

Is there a way to shorten this "including the pediatric form"?

Maybe [Crohn's disease, adult- and pediatric onset]

The Russian original says "в т.ч. у детей" (including in children)

Bye, Cardi!

CowperKettle

04:40

> The frequency and severity of allergic reactions associated with the treatment will be estimated on the strength of all the postmarketing pharmacovigilance data. (is okay, or does it sound too "legalistic"?)

Aerosmith - Jaded (Khim and Shaun Cover)

►

DEAD

05:18

@Lawrence The OP to that comment is certainly trolling. :P

DEAD

05:28

socratic.org/questions/…

This is simplified to the degree of stupidity.

BWAAHHHA I found a flaw in the flawless Socratic site.

I feel superior to mankind and kettlekind now.

@CowperKettle I guess a rough estimation of how easy the word is to pronounce, how often you're likely to use it, how digestible and memorable the meaning is, and how easy it is to use in related contexts.

CowperKettle

@DEAD Yay. I have 9 pending answers and comments on (in? at?) Socratic

socratic.org/questions/…

My questions were viewed 4,770 times

@DEAD A nice answer there. For a beginner, a great answer.

DEAD

@CowperKettle It wouldn't have been if it were wrong.

It is not uncommon at all to be wrong when you simplify.

Jim Reynolds

06:06

@CowperKettle , incl pediatric

CowperKettle

@JimReynolds Thank you!

Jim Reynolds

Standard abbreviation.

Even ped. would be understood by biomed people

@CowperKettle ok

CowperKettle

Thank you!

Damkerng T.

06:32

→ 2 messages moved to Trash

@Lawrence It's hard to say. Let's err on the side presuming innocent.

CowperKettle

Temperature forecast for 2016

> Nasa: Earth is warming at a pace 'unprecedented in 1,000 years'

theguardian.com/environment/2016/aug/30/…

I hope the upcoming winter will be warm in the Urals

Damkerng T.

@CowperKettle But ladies in nice dresses can do everything these men in suits do. What should we do, then, I hope we don't ban all these dresses!

CowperKettle

@DamkerngT. I'm not against banning all dresses for ladies, provided the climate is warm.

Damkerng T.

@CowperKettle A-ha!

CowperKettle

Maybe the bicycling gear should be retained though. Because it's tough to ride long distances without the special cushions bicyclists use

A nice article in The Guardian

Found it:

Cycling pad

A cycling pad, also known as "chamois" or "bikepad" or "Fondello" (Italian), "Gamuza" or "Badana" (Spanish), Peau (French) is a protective insert that is applied in cycling shorts with the main purpose of protecting the groin from the friction of constant and prolonged saddle contact. Cycling pads were developed at the beginning of the 1900s and were exclusively made of deer leather up until the 1980s, when technical fabrics were introduced, and allowed for enhanced performance. The first high-tech thermo molded cycling pads date back to the early 1990s; gel inserts also make their first appearance...

I was wondering why they wear the shorts, but now I'm thinking of buying the shorts myself.

Damkerng T.

06:48

Sounds like it's becoming too warm to bike over there.

CowperKettle

In Russian, they call it "велопамперсы" (velo-Pampers) - from the famous brand name of toddlers' products

Added it to Multitran.

@DamkerngT. No, it's okay to bike over here. Now it's only + 16C

Damkerng T.

nods

CowperKettle

07:10

I still haven't received my T-shirt from ELL

Damkerng T.

Me either.

CowperKettle

No, but it seems to me that you can say "There is no neighbour of mine whom I don't like". — CowperKettle 9 secs ago

CowperKettle

07:31

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Q: Is this sentence apposition? The belief is that the earth is round

The belief is that the earth is round. Is 'the belief' and 'that earth is round' apposition here?

grammar

Our English teacher has gotten to appositions.

> This belief, "the Earth is round", is quite widespread.

Would "the Earth is round" count as an appositive?

Or maybe here this belief would be the appositive.

Damkerng T.

07:49

It should be the Earth is round that is the appositive in the sentence.

Jim Reynolds

o/

. . . [A] guest asked a friend and I how we met.

Grammatical?

CowperKettle

no

Jim Reynolds

If it's commonly said by "educated" native speakers, is it still ungrammatical, and according to what evidence or authority?

The above comes from a NY Times blog.

Well, President Bush graciously invited Michelle and I to -- to meet with him and First Lady Laura Bush.

Mr. Obama at a press conference.

CowperKettle

08:04

Ah, I would have said "A guest asked a friend and me how we met". Now I see that it might be okay.

But should not it be "me"?

Damkerng T.

08:16

Language is somewhat political, too!

Jim Reynolds

@CowperKettle You are asking my question back at me? I'm not Socrates!

Damkerng T.

We could make a website and invite all English speakers in the world to vote whether a sentence is grammatical or not. Let the people debate and fight and talk things out.

Jim Reynolds

@DamkerngT. Maybe we vote on such with every sentence we utter?

Damkerng T.

At the end of day, we might have something we could say, confidently, about the grammaticality of the sentence, because the people have spoken. :P

@JimReynolds Probably, but I doubt if it's been debated over widely in public. :)

Jim Reynolds

I will try to find an answer in CGEL, but I have a poor e-book reader on my phone, and it's hard to navigate that tome.

Damkerng T.

08:29

:D

Jim Reynolds

'Tis a tome most unweildy, but the best in its fieldy.

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Cardinal

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Q: A question about using definite article with ordinal numbers

I was reading the definition of the verb "content" came across with this example: "he had to be content with third place" Shouldn't it be: "he had to be content with the third place" I thought that ordinal numbers take definite articles in such sentences. Especially, in this case the ...

definite-article ordinal

Is it a duplicate? @CowperKettle

If so, I will delete the question.

CowperKettle

@Cardinal It's a good question.

Cardinal

BTW, hi and good evening

CowperKettle

@JimReynolds A grimoire, as Snails called it

Cardinal

08:31

or afternoon or whatever

CowperKettle

Good afternoon, @Cardinal!

Cardinal

:-)

@CowperKettle Oh, I just saw your recent comment

CowperKettle

I don't think it should be deleted

Damkerng T.

@CowperKettle I have the grimoire. Now I have to find more time to use it to create talismans and amulets. :)

CowperKettle

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> It is most commonly believed that the term grimoire originated from the Old French word grammaire, which had initially been used to refer to all books written in Latin.

Lawrence

08:50

@DamkerngT. @JimReynolds @DEAD Thanks for your input and I appreciate your notes. By the way, with 1 yes, 1 no and 1 not sure, we've covered all the bases :) .

CowperKettle

So I should say "On 20 August, I took second train to Moscow"? The train is already made specific by the adjective "second". — CowperKettle 31 secs ago

Damkerng T.

@Lawrence :)

Lawrence

@Cardinal I have some thoughts on this. Would you like me to put it into an answer?

Or discuss it here?

Essentially, it's that third place with the zero article idiomatically means a ranking, while the third place idiomatically refers to a location. You can also have the third place winner, where the apples to winner, with third place modifying winner. So if you say "he had to be content with the third place", the initial impression is that he had to be content with the third location. (Note that chat, for example, is called the third place, after Main and Meta).

I've written a little about the here and there, though those references might not be sufficiently specific for your example.

Anonymous

09:11

@JimReynolds H&P would probably mark it with a superscript %, a symbol that indicates it's used by some speakers of Standard English but not others.

Damkerng T.

09:26

How many first places are there in a tournament? One. How many trains are at a typical train station? Many. Also, what makes the train "second"? The schedule. The schedule makes the "second" train specific. There may be only two trains leaving for Moscow, or more, and if you missed "the" second train to Moscow, you could always wait for "the" third one. The train is NOT named Second Train. LOL — Arch Denton 12 mins ago

Can anyone translate English to English for me?

:)

Jim Reynolds

@snailplane Perfect. Thank you.

Damkerng T.

> How many first places are there in a tournament? One. [See, we don't use the because it's the only one.] How many trains are at a typical train station? Many. [See, we should use the because there are many.]

Like that?

Jim Reynolds

There are many, so how do we refer to a specific one.

Damkerng T.

What about the One part?

Jim Reynolds

According to a timetable, one is second. So it's the second.

Damkerng T.

09:30

Does it mean that the comment argues that we don't use the in expressions like first place because we know which specific one we're referring to?

Cardinal

@Lawrence Sure, You can post your answers. You don't need to ask anybody

I have similar question about this title:

amazon.com/Deltas-Key-TOEFL-iBT-Advanced/dp/1936402114

Shouldn't it be TOEFL rather than the TOEFL?

Lawrence

@DamkerngT. I don't really agree with Arch Denton's comment. He's saying that you use "the" with train because there are many trains, but you don't use "the" with first place because there is only one first place. But the parallel should be between train and place, not train and third place. I've commented on Arch Denton's answer, including a short form of what I wrote above on the topic.

Cardinal

We have only one TOEFL object on (the?) earth

:-)

Lawrence

@Cardinal True, but it might be something you wanted to discuss interactively.

Damkerng T.

@Lawrence Thanks! I wasn't sure about his comment. I tried to think along his line of reasoning but it didn't work well for me!

Lawrence

09:35

... Actually, that indicates that my answer isn't sufficiently authoritative even in my own opinion, so I'll leave it here for now.

Stack Exchange

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Q: Information given by users in their profiles

I was editing my profile when I saw there was a place where I can give my email, full name and my date of birth. There on the top it was written "Private information (not shown publicly)". It is my private information why the sites wants all this? What site will do with it? On the top of the spac...

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Damkerng T.

@Cardinal I read it as the iBT of a specific kind, i.e., one that's issued by TOEFL.

Jim Reynolds

@DamkerngT. Why do we say Third Avenue vs the third avenue?

Damkerng T.

@JimReynolds A label vs. a common noun. I think. (Which doesn't explain anything because we could turn any noun into a label, and assign a label to anything.)

Lawrence

@Cardinal I suppose there could be "The Tofu iBT" or "The Beef iBT" (never mind that they sound ridiculous). So "The TOEFL iBT" can work. (Which is what DamkerngT. said.

Jim Reynolds

09:38

So is first place/prize a label?

Cardinal

@Lawrence I must do some daily tasks; I couldn't be so focused at the moment.

Damkerng T.

@JimReynolds To me, yes. It's a label we assigned to an abstract idea (of "place").

Jim Reynolds

This is not a snailplaneTM question!

Lawrence

@JimReynolds A noun phrase, yes.

Jim Reynolds

I don't know the answer

Damkerng T.

09:40

So if someone used the first/second/third/etc place, I'd need (in my mind) to instantiate an instance of such an idea to match the use of the.

Jim Reynolds

@DamkerngT. Oops. I didn't read your whole reply. Bad Jim!

Cardinal

What do you mean I didn't fully understand that.
TOEFL is the name of an exam

Damkerng T.

(And why I would expect first place, rather than the first place, in most cases.)

If you like programming terms, it's an object factory vs. an object. :P

Jim Reynolds

Let's read articles about the article the.

Damkerng T.

And we have the same kind of trickiness in programming, too, because an object factory itself is an object, too!

CowperKettle

09:43

A photographer spent two days on a rock to make these photos of the Urals

Damkerng T.

@Cardinal It's an idea similar to Lawrence's (chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/32105001#32105001).

Jim Reynolds

@Lawrence By what authority do you pronounce yourself insufficiently authoritative on the matter?

Maybe it's an unknown known.

Lawrence

@JimReynolds By my own. :)

Damkerng T.

@CowperKettle Wow! So beautiful they could easily be included in Home!

CowperKettle

"Home"?

Damkerng T.

09:46

imdb.com/title/tt1014762

CowperKettle

Ah

Damkerng T.

I watched it in HD once. It was so vivid!

(Though the theme is a bit worrisome.)

Lawrence

@JimReynolds ... It's one of those things about idiomatic phrasing. Unless one goes into quite a bit of depth of corpus research, it's hard to defend against charges of "No, it's not idiomatic". I'm not sufficiently certain yet that there isn't a simple counter-example. I'll let the idea percolate for a while.

CowperKettle

Is there a good, definitive answer on the "I took (the) first place" issue either on ELL or ELU?

@ArchDenton By that argument, there are multiple places (like your multiple trains), so that argument would justify using the third place. I think the reason third place uses the zero article has more to do with the changing the idiomatic understanding of place from ranking to location. — Lawrence 26 mins ago

Damkerng T.

@CowperKettle StoneyB's is more than good enough for me.

CowperKettle

09:57

@DamkerngT. I'll add it to my "check out" list.

Damkerng T.

@CowperKettle Yay!

CowperKettle

nods

Damkerng T.

BTW, you can expect to see lots of stunning views, but I'm afraid you should not expect to finish the movie with good feelings.

The format is like, here is how beautiful things in our world are, and then, look at what we've done to our world, and then another beautiful thing, and what we've done to it, and so on.

CowperKettle

I see..

CowperKettle

10:23

...sorry, too sleepy to chat

Damkerng T.

@CowperKettle No problem. Have some rest!

Stack Exchange

11:20

Damkerng T. has made a change to the feeds posted into this room

Jim Reynolds

What sort of dictitorial policy has the robot imposed on us?

We now must watch lithium-carbonium battery commercials?

Damkerng T.

LOL

Jim Reynolds

(Robot porn.)

Haha

Damkerng T.

We used to have the same feed (of meta posts) in the old main room.

Jim Reynolds

@Cow "All debts are cleared between you and I."

--Billy Shakespeare

@DamkerngT. Gotcha

Damkerng T.

11:25

@JimReynolds This is strong evidence suggesting that native speakers of English don't draw syntax-tree diagrams when they speak anything. :P

Jim Reynolds

@DamkerngT. :-)

Damkerng T.

Oops! I misplaced my hyphen!

CowperKettle

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A: A question about using definite article with ordinal numbers: "content with third place" or "content with the third place"?

This is analogous to elementary school "grades", where the article can be used. What grade are you in? --I'm in (the) first grade. We can present the item in the ordered series using the definite article, in which case we're identifying its ordinal position within the series and ignoring any i...

Interesting answer

> So, if you ask a six-year-old child "What grade are you in?" the child might reply:

I'm in first grade!

or

I'm in the first grade.

Of the two, the first answer, without the article, is more likely to be given with a tone of pride and accomplishment and the second as merely a statement of fact.

Damkerng T.

It's along the same lines as my idea of "label".

CowperKettle

It the answer correct?

I'll upvote it then

Damkerng T.

11:31

I think so, though I'm not sure how well it's applied to the specific case in the original example.

It's much better than the idea "we have only one so we don't need the", IMO.

CowperKettle

nods

Lawrence

11:50

@CowperKettle The second version (I'm in the first grade) can definitely be spoken with a tone of pride and accomplishment. Just place the stress on the word first.

Jim Reynolds

12:18

@CowperKettle ^ I don't think that differentiates the choice we'd make. In most contexts, it's an open choice. I suppose some factors might tend to cause a slight preference for one vs the other, but I can't think of what they might be offhand.

Cardinal

13:43

Would you tell me how(when) I should use the phrase "to one's consternation" ?

> to her consternation her car wouldn’t start

> She saw to her consternation that it was already after eight.

DEAD

@Lawrence sorry, were you expecting other results?

Mattew

when you're bored.. stackexchange.com/users/9023351/mattew?tab=accounts

DEAD

BTW I was actually kidding, not inputting @Law

Mattew

@DEAD See my accounts stackexchange.com/users/9023351/mattew?tab=accounts

Lawrence

@DEAD No expectations, just glad to have some feedback.

DEAD

13:46

@Mattew Oh gawd

Lawrence

@DEAD Yup, I caught the smilie. You were referring to me as the 'troll', right? :)

DEAD

Hides

Lawrence

@DEAD I counted it anyway. Or, if you prefer, since I didn't include my own view (I leaned towards 'yes'), feel free to consider my vote substituted for yours. :)

DEAD

Notably, my votes are far more authoritative.

Lawrence

@Cardinal You use it when the person is frustrated at the event. This is one idiomatic construction: "To her consternation, (independent clause describing the reason for her frustration)".

@Cardinal If you're playing around with the word to get a feel for its usage, try substituting the word "frustration" for "consternation".

Consternation isn't really frustration. It's subtly different. 'Consternation' is more anxious and 'frown-y'; it's more the feeling than the expression of that feeling.

Actually, it's more like dismay than frustration, but less helpless.

@DEAD You really want me to pull out the puns for DEAD votes? :P

DEAD

14:09

@Lawrence Uh . . .

Yes

Lawrence

@DEAD Oh well, I suppose it's passed. Let's let sleeping dogs lie. ... poor doggie :P

CowperKettle

Good evening

Lawrence

Hi @CowperKettle.

CowperKettle

Hi, Lawrence!

a week of rain ahead

No sun till next Monday

Lawrence

What's the tolerance on Learners for near-duplicate postings by the same person?

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Q: I want to know whether you understand this ? 'period of the day, in the morning'

I have waited for the period of the day, in the morning. Can the 'period of the day' and 'in the morning' be the apposition? please, tell me.

grammar

CowperKettle

14:16

I'm very tolerant.

Lawrence

@CowperKettle Nice, if you can stay indoors.

CowperKettle

Kettles generally are built to high tolerances.

off to make some coffee

Lawrence

@CowperKettle Oh dear. Are puns requisite for this chatroom? :P

DEAD

@CowperKettle \o

CowperKettle

I was just being honest. Honesty is a prerequisite here, because our master is a robot, @DamkerngT.

Good evening, Muhammad!

Damkerng T.

14:21

@CowperKettle :)

Skynet said, you'll be spared. :P

CowperKettle

(0Ж

Lawrence

@CowperKettle Actually, this is more about education about posting protocol. The OP posted 3 near-identical posts, the latter two within an hour of his/her last comment on the first. I suspect the OP may not be aware of the way SE is curated. Perhaps some high-rep person on this site would like to have a chat with the OP over a cup of tea?

Cardinal

@Lawrence Does that mean: after someone faced a bad event, they undergo consternation? or since they think there will be something bad, they feel frustration?

My problem is the relation between the bad event and consternation feeling

Which one is the result of the other?

Lawrence

@Cardinal They might feel consternation at a bad turn of events.

@Cardinal Yes, you can say that events sometimes trigger a feeling of consternation.

It's an emotional response to something.

Cardinal

So, "to her consternation, he car wouldn't work" means that the car didn't work and caused to her consternation.

Right?

Lawrence

14:26

@Cardinal That's right. The car didn't work (first), that affected her (second), and her emotional response was consternation (third).

Cardinal

:D

Lawrence

@Cardinal More like :/ .

:)

DEAD

Shhhh, stop telling people about the FAQ! It's supposed to be a secret. — Tim Post ♦ Dec 30 '10 at 12:41

Lawrence

@DEAD Hey, no fair! Stop digging in the Meta graveyards. :D

Cardinal

@Lawrence Nice phrase; it seems that it can be used anywhere in a sentence.

DEAD

14:30

@Lawrence That's like asking a cop to not be a cop anymore

Lawrence

@Cardinal :)

@DEAD o..O . :)

@Cardinal You might be on to something, there. :)

Maybe more often at the end, though.

DEAD

Lawrence

@DEAD Poor Charlie Brown.

Cardinal

@Lawrence Yay! I am busy creating Anki flash cards

CowperKettle

@Cardinal Congratulations!

That's a good thing to do on long rainy paeez evenings.

Cardinal

14:36

@CowperKettle Thank you

Lawrence

@Cardinal How do they work?

Cardinal

@CowperKettle yes, I like the term "paeez"

@CowperKettle :-)

CowperKettle

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Cardinal

@Lawrence What do you mean?

It is a flashcard

Lawrence

@Cardinal Do you just type stuff onto a page, and the page shows up from time to time?

Cardinal

14:38

It has a front page and a behind

@Lawrence Well, it is a software with a bunch of weird options

Lawrence

@Cardinal So, you look at the front page and guess/remember what's behind?

Cardinal

@CowperKettle has more insight into it

@Lawrence exactly

Lawrence

@Cardinal Hmm, I might check it out.

Cardinal

front: They went for a ------- walk in the woods

back: They went for a brisk walk in the woods

I added that one couple of minutes ago :-)

@Lawrence Yay!

Lawrence

I see. Do you create these in a community?

Otherwise, you already know the answer.

Because you set the question. :)

Cardinal

14:41

@Lawrence Yes, but the problem is time

Lawrence

@Cardinal Time to create the cards?

Cardinal

Human beings forget things over time

Lawrence

@Cardinal I see.

Cardinal

Yes, I estimate that I would have created more than 1000 cards by the end of September.

Lawrence

@Cardinal That's a lot. Wait ... you're not creating puns on your name as well, are you? I've just had @DEAD and @CowperKettle do that. CARD..inal?

:)

Cardinal

14:45

ha ha ha

It is a good idea

Lawrence

Nooooooo!

Cardinal

CARD in all

=))

Lawrence

Too late. :)

DEAD

@Lawrence why didn't I think of that before?

Lawrence

@DEAD It was dead-easy to overlook, some might say.

Cardinal

14:47

Inal (name)

Inal is both a given name and a surname. In the Turkish context the name Inal is a product of an onomastic-hygiene movement initiated following the formation of the Turkish Republic to replace Arabic name Emin with which it shares common meaning, ‘to believe.’ Notable people with the name include: Given name İnal Batu (1936-2013), Turkish diplomat and politician Inal Dzhioyev (born 1969), Russian footballer Inal Getigezhev (born 1987), Russian footballer Inal Pukhayev (born 1992), Russian footballer Surname Sayf ad-Din Inal (1381-1461), Burji Sultan of Egypt reigned 1453–1461 Ibrahim Inal (died...

:-)

Lawrence

Oh dear.

Forget I brought it up.

:)

Or at least, don't put it on one of your cards.

Cardinal

I'm Not a Lawyer == INAL :D

Lawrence

... After 1000 other cards, maybe we can try again. :)

Cardinal

I Need a Life == INAL :v

Lawrence

@Cardinal That one's not bad, actually.

Anyway, I need to head off. Nice chatting with you all. Bye!

CowperKettle

14:53

Bye, Lawrence

Cardinal

@Lawrence o/

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