Language Overflow

Cardinal

15:00

Damkerng T.

@CowperKettle I guess it's a quick and dirty way, literally!

CowperKettle

@DamkerngT. (0:

Cardinal

Currently, I cannot play youtube videos :(

CowperKettle

Too bad!

Internet too expensive?

Ming Wang

Do you guys use Google+? I wanna create a circle in Google+ for english learner.

Cardinal

15:02

No, My proxy does not work !

CowperKettle

ah

Ming Wang

You are in China?GFW?

Cardinal

Something like that, I am from Iran

Damkerng T.

@MingWang Sorry, count me out. :-)

Cardinal

@DamkerngT. wow, I just read this two-word verb couple of minutes ago

Damkerng T.

15:04

@Cardinal LOL

Cardinal

Lets get back to Anki

Ming Wang

@Cardinal You can use free shadowsocks proxy to access to youtube

Cardinal

What do you suggest? putting all definitions or only some of them ?

@MingWang Well, I use a special VPN which is not working at the moment

@MingWang Thanks

CowperKettle

@Cardinal I first learned the phrasal verb count me out in the song Revolution by The Beatles

Ming Wang

@Cardinal ishadowsocks.org There are 3 free shadowsocks accounts on this page.You can use them to access to the website which your country's firewall is blocking.

Cardinal

15:07

@CowperKettle You seem to be very inclined to music and art. Don't you?

CowperKettle

@Cardinal I think all people are inclined to that naturally

Cardinal

@MingWang thank you I know a bunch of them, but for some reason, I use that VPN :D

@CowperKettle Yes, but some people are talented and have exceptional inclination like you

I guess

Ming Wang

I must sleep, google night for everyone!

good night

Cardinal

google night :D

Damkerng T.

Sleep well, and sleep tight, and good night!

CowperKettle

15:09

@Cardinal Thank you! (0:

Cardinal

@CowperKettle I constructed a very bad sentence, but I think I successfully conveyed my intention

Damkerng T.

@Cardinal That's very important!

Cardinal

I mean, some people are attracted to those stuff more than other people

Damkerng T.

Some of our politicians are known for their complicated sentences. Not many of us understand what they say. :-)

Cardinal

:D

@CowperKettle Which genre of music do you like?

CowperKettle

15:16

@Cardinal folk

as of now

But I used to listen to rock

Cardinal

@CowperKettle I see

Me, too.

CowperKettle

Beatles, Bob Dylan, Joan Baez, Frank Zappa

Cardinal

I used to listen to Pink Floyd

CowperKettle

My father's favorite group, Pink Floyd.

Cardinal

@CowperKettle and some dark ones !

CowperKettle

15:19

@Cardinal "dark ones"?

Cardinal

Anathema, ... and heavy metal groups

CowperKettle

I used to listen to some, but for a short time.

Metallica

Accept

ZZ top

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Cardinal

@CowperKettle Oh ZZ, I am a rough boy

ColleenV

I should inflict some of the punk rock or psychobilly I listen to on you

Cardinal

I like that song of ZZ

CowperKettle

15:21

But then I found Bob Dylan and The Beatles, and switched to them. (0:

Damkerng T.

0

Q: I want to write down my project's results. How should I call it?

I made a DIY project, and I want to write down the results. What is the right word for it? Review, assessment, evaluation, or someting else?

I think I should vote to close it, but I don't want to upset a new user. (And though Lawrence's comment is quite good, we still don't have any feedback from the OP.)

Cardinal

However, I'm really happy that I stopped listening to those heavy metal songs

CowperKettle

From "Punk", I like.. Patty Smith

I dunno if she is "punk"

ColleenV

Maybe we could have an ELL radio station

CowperKettle

(0:

Cardinal

15:22

:))

Damkerng T.

@ColleenV +1!

ColleenV

Patty Smith counts

Cardinal

ELL podcast

CowperKettle

Patti Smith " Rock n' Roll nigger"

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ColleenV

Sometimes I like to hear YoYo Ma play they cello, and sometimes I like Metallica, and sometimes The Cramps

CowperKettle

15:26

I used to listen to Janis Joplin, Jefferson Airplane, and a boatload of other groups from 1965-1975

ColleenV

My playlist is very strange 😄

CowperKettle

(0:

ColleenV

There is a great cover of white rabbit on the sucker punch sound track

Cardinal

I can't understand why I listened to heavy metal music. There is nothing beautiful at all!- very harsh noises and piercing sounds with doomed lyrics ! <Personal Statement>

ColleenV

Some, but metal like ACDC and Judas Priest can have such an energizing attitude

CowperKettle

15:28

nods

ColleenV

Yay! I'm a bad ass mofo and don't mess with me

Cardinal

However, I still like Pink Floyd , muse, and Camel , some others that I forgot them :)

ColleenV

Floyd is just musically awesome

CowperKettle

John fogerty - Bad Moon Rising live!

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I love to jog to Fogerty

ColleenV

Talking Heads Sonic Youth King Crimson Beatles Floyd too many to mention

Cardinal

15:31

@ColleenV nods yes RadioHead :D

ColleenV

So glad to live in an age where we can hear it in such good quality so cheap

Damkerng T.

@CowperKettle Lovely tune!

CowperKettle

@DamkerngT. He sings live, and very nice, yes.

And this is the best classic piece, like hard rock:

Beethoven: String Quart Op.18-4 1/3 Amadeus (12.1969)

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By Beethoven

Damkerng T.

@ColleenV I wonder why don't we just make some kind of tax for it and everyone can access any works for free. Piracy solved. :P

Cardinal

Recently, I started listening to Leonardo Cohen

ColleenV

15:34

Have you seen the Two Cellos guys? After my meeting I will find you their Thunderstruck

Cardinal

@DamkerngT. The problem is that many people are too poor to pay for that songs !

Damkerng T.

@ColleenV Awesome! -- zzz (just kidding :P)

They're great!

Anonymous

@DamkerngT. Some linguists just call it "inversion", but that seems, well, ambiguous :-)

Damkerng T.

I haven't listened to classical music much lately. It's nice to hear it sometimes.

CowperKettle

PCCB - Le duo des chats

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Classic (0:

Anonymous

15:39

@DamkerngT. My favorite piece: youtube.com/watch?v=hbDYtAHTQoE

Cardinal

Among the classic pieces I like Adiago

I wish I spelled it correctly

Damkerng T.

It's high time for classical music! :D

Cardinal

:D

Anonymous

@Cardinal Almost! Adagio :-)

Cardinal

especially, Adago in G-Minor :-)

CowperKettle

15:41

@snailplane Great, you love Russian composers

Anonymous

@CowperKettle Oh, of course! :-)

Damkerng T.

@snailplane Aww... I wish they amped the volume up by 20 decibels or so!

Anonymous

I've played violin and viola since I was very young, so how could I not?

Anonymous

@DamkerngT. Be careful what you wish for! ;-)

Anonymous

It's a piece with a very great dynamic range.

Anonymous

15:42

It'll get louder later.

Cardinal

:D

Damkerng T.

Ahh... the quieter part is barely audible on my PC even when I push the volume slider up to the max!

Anonymous

Aww.

Anonymous

I can turn my computer up well past the point where my speakers would damage my hearing.

Anonymous

I'm using studio monitors, 100W biamplified.

Damkerng T.

15:44

That's very nice!

Anonymous

If I turn them up, I can see the air vibrate in front of them :-)

CowperKettle

I love this piece by Argerich

Damkerng T.

@snailplane Haha!

@CowperKettle Nice!

Hastily turn the volume down back to 50%!

Cardinal

I can also add Maricone's works, especially that one that is used in "the professional"

Anonymous

@DamkerngT. You need a good quiet space to listen to classical music.

Damkerng T.

15:46

@snailplane A bit rare around here. :-)

Anonymous

Modern music tends to have rather little dynamic range, so you can just put it at whatever level you want to hear it over any background noise or sounds.

Anonymous

And that's very convenient, but it comes at a great cost :-(

Anonymous

A lot of the emotion in music comes from dynamics.

Damkerng T.

@snailplane I've enjoyed an orchestra playing in a hall a couple times. It's really different from listening to any audio system at home.

Anonymous

Oh, yes.

Anonymous

15:50

To me, the best is being part of the orchestra in a hall. :-)

Damkerng T.

(Actually, I don't have any real "audio system". I was just trying to sound like I have one. :-)

Cardinal

Ennio Morricone "Chi Mai (Le Professionnel)" - Live @ Bercy, Paris - 04/02/2014 [HD]

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The original music is better than this performance

Anonymous

I think one reason I like the Rimsky–Korsakov so much is that experience of playing it. I mean, it's a wonderful piece, but I feel like music affects you more emotionally when you're a part of it.

CowperKettle

I tried visiting classic concerts but got bored..

Damkerng T.

nods -- It is a wonderful piece, by the way. :-)

@CowperKettle Aww... you won't regret it, I promise. :D

CowperKettle

15:53

@DamkerngT. I won't regret not visiting classic concerts. (0:

> I don't need much and that ain't no lie
Ain't runnin' any race
Give to me my country pie
I won't throw it up in anybody's face.

Damkerng T.

@CowperKettle Haha! That's not what I meant, but I know you know. :D

Cardinal

This one is better:

KATICA ILLÉNYI - Chi Mai

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Anonymous

I like all kinds of music.

Damkerng T.

@CowperKettle Sounds like Gandalf. :P

Or Bilbo!

CowperKettle

@DamkerngT. Yes, only he said "pipe" instead of "pie"

Damkerng T.

15:54

Oops! I misread it!

Anonymous

@CowperKettle I love Chopin :-)

CowperKettle

@snailplane Because you know, your piece by Korsakov is too complex. (0:

Chopin is simple. Bam-babam, bapabababam bam!

I'm glad you love it. (0:

Anonymous

F. Chopin : Nocturne op. 9 no. 1 in B flat minor (Rubinstein)

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Damkerng T.

> Katica Illényi (born 17 February 1968) in an Artisjus, Liszt and Artist of Merit of Hungary award winning violinist, and member of the Hungarian Academy of Arts.

Artisjus!

Cardinal

Ennio Maricone is a genius

@DamkerngT. Yes she is a great player.

Anonymous

15:59

@CowperKettle Chopin has some wonderfully complex pieces: youtube.com/watch?v=mUVCGsWhwHU

CowperKettle

@snailplane I agree, I mean they are so articulated that I like them

@snailplane Did you see the movie The Pianist (2002)? A great movie

Anonymous

I haven't.

CowperKettle

The Pianist (2002 film)

The Pianist is a 2002 historical drama film co-produced and directed by Roman Polanski, scripted by Ronald Harwood, and starring Adrien Brody. It is based on the autobiographical book The Pianist, a World War II memoir by the Polish-Jewish pianist and composer Władysław Szpilman. The film was a co-production between France, the United Kingdom, Germany, and Poland. The Pianist met with significant critical praise and received multiple awards and nominations. It was awarded the Palme d'Or at the 2002 Cannes Film Festival. At the 75th Academy Awards, The Pianist won Oscars for Best Director (Polanski...

Cardinal

Also, "Le Professionnel " is one of my favorite movies, as well as cinema pardiso and Mallena- You can hear maricone in all of them ! :-)

Damkerng T.

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Q: where as relative pronoun or relative clause

Robots are mainly used in working with automatic machines in mass production industries, where the same task must be repeated. I want to know the place 'where ' refers to, in mass production industries or in working with automatic machines in mass production industries?

grammaticality-in-context

First thought: Ugh! Who wrote this?!

Stangdon seems to have the same idea. :D

Anonymous

16:03

Poor misunderstood robots.

Damkerng T.

Hehe!

Anonymous

Where isn't a pronoun.

Anonymous

And since it's not a pronoun, it can't be a relative pronoun.

Anonymous

We could call it a relative word or wh-word, but what kind of word? Traditionally an adverb, post-Jespersen a preposition.

Damkerng T.

@snailplane Which could cause me a headache if I mentioned that on the main site!

Anonymous

16:05

Yeah, it could :-)

Anonymous

At any rate, they aren't asking about that, so calling it a relative pronoun is just a bit of a distraction.

Anonymous

Likewise the grammaticality-in-context tag, when the question is not about grammaticality in context.

ColleenV

@CowperKettle I think anyone with good taste can enjoy Russian composers 😉

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Anonymous

I edited the question.

Damkerng T.

Yay!

Anonymous

16:06

@CowperKettle Also Argerich: youtube.com/watch?v=tZWGCfy-dTY

Damkerng T.

@ColleenV I wish I could enjoy Russian space station. :P

Anonymous

in ELL's Cabin, yesterday, by DEAD

@MετάEd we do most of our chatting in Language Overflow, despite this room being our main

Anonymous

We haven't really been using the Cabin.

CowperKettle

@snailplane Yes, a great pianist

Anonymous

What do we want to do? Should we keep having separate rooms?

Damkerng T.

16:10

@snailplane I'm not sure at this point. I admit that I spend time on SE less than before.

(I like to see our meta posts pop up in the main room, though. It's easy to follow our meta posts that way.)

Anonymous

I do feel like having a question feed in a low activity room tends to kill that room. Like, every time someone looks in, all they see are posts, not discussion.

Anonymous

That's why I usually favor the little drop-down at the top :-)

Damkerng T.

Ahh

(I've never thought of that!)

Avicenna

@snailplane Thank you. :-))

ColleenV

So I had to go to a work meeting, and I'm more than an hour behind the conversation but someone mentioned folk when we were talking about music and I have to share a local band from our "indie folk" genre. It's modern music inspired by American rural music. youtu.be/Cg_BBUgHRTA

Cardinal

16:24

:)

Lets get back to Anki; do you think that it is OK to put all the definitions of a word in the Anki?

1 hour ago, by Cardinal

Anonymous

It goes against the SuperMemo guy's Minimum Information Principle.

Anonymous

It'll be hard to score that card. Are you supposed to test yourself to see if you remember all 7 definitions every time?

Cardinal

I just started to put words

I haven't tested myself so far

@snailplane I think that it is both impractical and time eating !

Anonymous

You want to be able to go through your cards quickly. Simple cards.

Anonymous

For example:

Anonymous

16:32

> Front: The pass grew ＿＿＿ as we climbed.
> Back: steeper

Cardinal

I see, shrewd point

you mean I can create several simple cards

Anonymous

Yes, that's right.

Cardinal

rather than one complicated one

Anonymous

Each card will test you on remembering one thing.

Cardinal

I will do that, thanks

I gotto go

BBL

Anonymous

16:34

Good luck with your studies! :-)

Damkerng T.

Nice to see Anki users share their opinions and techniques. :)

Even though I'm not an Anki person, personally.

Anonymous

@DamkerngT. Anki is based on an earlier version of the SuperMemo algorithm, and the SuperMemo guy has an article online explaining how he thinks it should be used: supermemo.com/en/articles/20rules

Anonymous

I think he makes some very good points, some of which are relevant whether or not you're using flash cards.

Damkerng T.

"It goes against the SuperMemo guy's Minimum Information Principle." -- that sounds like something opposite to my technique. :)

Meuses Maximum Information Principle. :P

Anonymous

Well, you certainly don't have to use flashcards the way he suggests.

Anonymous

16:37

I don't. But I do think you'll find some points to agree with on that page :-)

Damkerng T.

@snailplane IIRC, I agree with many points of SuperMemo.

Anonymous

Ahh :-)

Damkerng T.

"Ill-formulated knowledge - Complex and wordy; Well-formulated knowledge - Simple and specific" -- that sounds almost like something I wrote myself! :D

Though I find that I've learned a lot of things like a sponge. I guess there are many phases in learning anything.

My "sponge" mode is very good when I want to learn something without learning it.

ColleenV

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Q: What does 'having one type of virus' mean in this context?

Since there are four types of dengue virus, having one type of virus will only give protection that type, not the others. I want to know what this sentence mean ? What does 'having' mean in this sentence ?

word-meaning

Damkerng T.

@ColleenV Hmm... the sentence is probably ungrammatical, I think.

Anonymous

16:49

Yeah, maybe it was miscopied?

ColleenV

Am I weird for thinking a dictionary doesn't answer that?

Anonymous

Still, it's clear what it means.

Anonymous

@ColleenV It can be fairly difficult to use a dictionary for common words, anyway.

ColleenV

I think it's obvious to a native, but could be confusing

I think it should stay open

Damkerng T.

What I wonder more is why the OP can't understand the meaning in the context.

Anonymous

16:51

Have has a great many meanings.

ColleenV

Having a virus is a lot different from having a party or a million dollars

Anonymous

(Set has over 400 definitions in the OED!)

ColleenV

It means suffering the virus or defeating the virus ? – learner 7 hours ago

Anonymous

@ColleenV I don't think P.E. Dant's definition of choice is very easy to apply to this sentence.

Damkerng T.

@ColleenV A-ha! That's why!

Anonymous

16:53

Anyway, we should be linking to learner's dictionaries where possible.

Anonymous

Here is a much better definition:

ColleenV

Probably should edit that into the question

Anonymous

macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/british/have - Macmillan Dictionary, sense 17

Damkerng T.

If I had noticed that comment before, I wouldn't hesitate to say that it's on-topic.

@ColleenV nods

Anonymous

> have or have got [transitive] [never progressive] to suffer from an illness, disease, injury, or pain

Anonymous

16:54

> I’ve got a terrible headache.
> James had malaria while he was working in West Africa.
> The X-rays show that he has a broken ankle.

ColleenV

Yes, much better

I think it is a worthwhile question and answer. I might have agreed with Mssr Daunt kart year though

Er Dant

Ugh auto complete dislikes my typing, last year

I think the more mistakes I make, the worse it gets, which means I make more mistakes, so it gets worse... Soon it will look like a kitten is playing on my keyboard

Damkerng T.

I edited the question!

ColleenV

Thank you

Damkerng T.

No problem! We're here to help each other! :D

Færd

17:18

TestYourVocab.com says I know 12,500 words. Funny, because I guess I use only around one-fourth of them, correctly or not.

Avicenna

@ColleenV Of course not. We would say "have a cold." This is a simple usage of a simple verb! — P. E. Dant 1 hour ago

I guess he didn't like what @ColleenV said.

Am I right?

@P.E.Dant I think the definition may be more confusing than we as native speakers think it is "to endure or undergo" isn't the word we would most like choose as a synonym for say "Do you have a cold?" We wouldn't say "Are you undergoing a cold?" I don't think this is question general reference. — ColleenV 5 hours ago

this is question general reference

What does it mean?

Færd

17:33

In Colleen's words borrowed from this very message, it's most like a mistake or a typo or something.

Cardinal

maybe this question is a general reference

Hi folk

Færd

Hi.

Avicenna

Hi.

Damkerng T.

@Færd Maybe it's passive vs. active vocabulary.

Færd

Yeah.

Damkerng T.

17:40

Wow, it looks like I learn about 200 words a year! (Three years ago, the test said I knew 20,000 words.)

(A curious round number, BTW!)

Færd

Haha!

ColleenV

@Avicenna it means I type very badly on my mobile

Avicenna

@ColleenV Oh, I see. Thank you.

ColleenV

I don't think this question should be closed as answerable by a dictionary is what I meant

Avicenna

Is it a rutin thing in English to start your reply with of course?

I thought it's not really polite and friendly to do so.

Damkerng T.

17:45

@Avicenna Depends, but I wouldn't assume so. But intonation is very important.

(assuming you meant rude, by the way)

ColleenV

I don't think it was rude, I did say something obvious

To make a point and he was saying "you know we wouldn't say that"

Avicenna

So maybe what I've learnt is about formal English.

Færd

@DamkerngT. I guess you're reaching your limit! (Just joking.) Otherwise you'd be twice as old as you are now!

Cardinal

Damkerng T.

@Færd Hah! How so?!? :D

ColleenV

17:47

It is very much about context whether a particular phrase is rude

Unless it is vulgar

Anonymous

@Avicenna If you're being dismissive of what they have to say, that's rude because being dismissive is rude. But of course isn't always dismissive.

Færd

@DamkerngT. I mean the growth is not linear, and you're reaching the limit, so the speed is low: 200 words per year!

And I'm just kidding.

Damkerng T.

I can imagine Of course in a dismissive tone or used a bit sarcastically. But somehow it's in a British accent!

@Færd I think that sounds quite reasonable! :D

@Cardinal Conga-rats! :)

ColleenV

Well naturally it is British, they do dismissive the best :)

Anonymous

@Færd Well, everyone has a larger passive than active vocabulary.

Færd

17:50

@DamkerngT. I don't think robots reach their limits like that!

Anonymous

It told me 34,100.

Avicenna

@snailplane And we would know it by noticing the context, i.e. other words, and if speaking the intonation

Anonymous

@DamkerngT. Rodents dancing in a line :-)

Damkerng T.

@Færd Hehe! Thanks for the reassurance!

Færd

@snailplane Would you lend me some? :)

Cardinal

17:50

When I learned the word "legerdemain ", I didn't think that I would face that word again :D

Damkerng T.

@snailplane Yes!

Cardinal

@DamkerngT. Thanks

I want to show that word in my book, give me second

I will take a photo

Damkerng T.

A new word I just learned today: tzitzit. I guess the test at Test Your Vocab won't include this one. :P

(I feel a little awkward pronouncing the word!)

Cardinal

Damkerng T.

Yay! You found it!

Hmm... I just noticed that I pronounced malleable incorrectly all along!

Cardinal

18:00

:D

Damkerng T.

(I expected it to be spelled "mealable"! :P)

Færd

@snailplane Although that 100 really concerns me. They probably have to be too confident about their method to give that precise an answer for someone who's not even near the center of the most populated range. (The blog says Most adult native test-takers range from 20,000–35,000 words.)

Cardinal

18:28

"Have you a pen?" is grammatical and I guess that is very common in BrE. That "have" acts like an auxiliary verb in MHO. (It has the same meaning as "have got".) — Cardinal 1 min ago

Damkerng T.

@Cardinal +1

PUE says it was common in older English.

Cardinal

nods

Damkerng T.

In current usage, the book suggests that it's "formal BrE".

Cardinal

What is the full version of PUE? :-)

LET ME guess

Damkerng T.

Oops, it's a typo. I meant PEU!

Cardinal

18:35

Practical .., oh that is yes

Practical English Usage ?

Damkerng T.

Yes! By Michael Swan.

Cardinal

Yes, I have the E-book, but I haven't read that so far

Just some skimming in the adverb section

user62015

@DamkerngT. @Cardinal Hi! I have a question for you from Indian English and I also have the solution but could you please tell me the reason why the writer chose that option?

Cardinal

Hello @user62015

Damkerng T.

Hi! What's the question?

user62015

18:38

Question;-Only when you have your children (A)/ you will understand (B)/ how difficult it is (C)/ No error . We have to find the error and answer is:-Only when you have your children will you understand how difficult it is.

Thanks,.

Damkerng T.

Ah! I just posted my answer to a similar question!

user62015

Okay.

Damkerng T.

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A: Verb before noun

It's true that in most English clauses, the subject comes before the verb. Then again, inversion is quite common. The two main types of inversion in English are subject-verb inversion (Into the room will come a unicorn--an example on the Wikipedia page), and subject-auxiliary inversion (also know...

user62015

Okay. Checking

Cardinal

I can understand the inversion, but "only when" sounds unfamiliar to my learner mind !

Damkerng T.

18:41

It's a "restrictive" expression.

Semantically, it's quite similar to "Not until ...", right?

Cardinal

I mean, why we should use both "only" and "when"

only you have ...

Damkerng T.

"Only when you have your children will you understand" ~ "You won't understand until you have your children"

Cardinal

@DamkerngT. I see, I understand now, it was just a transient thought !

Damkerng T.

@Cardinal Yay!

V.V.

Hi, I found vocabulary. com site. Did anyone try it?

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Cardinal

18:51

Let me have a look. No. I didn't use that site

Damkerng T.

0

A: Is there any conceptual difference between these kinds of sentences?

Tha actions verbs are transitive, which have direct objects and intransitive, which have an indirect object. Rahul smoothed the bedspread out. The bold part is an indirect object, and the actions verb is intransitive. Smoothed=transtive Leslie didn't have any money for a sandwich, so S...

In case someone may want to help the OP.

V.V.

19:09

There was a "Thai" on the ELU with a question in the morning.

Cardinal

Indeed:

> Tha actions verbs are transitive, which have direct objects and intransitive, which have an indirect object.

Damkerng T.

@V.V. I guess it's an old question.

V.V.

I see.

What have you answered today, inversion in negative sentences?

Damkerng T.

19:29

Yes. Inversion when we use a negative expression is probably a better way to think about it.

V.V.

19:40

It's rainy again and I remembered your struggle with rains.

Anonymous

Vocabulary.com is run by Language Log's Ben Zimmer.

V.V.

Is it a good sign?

Anonymous

Yes :-)

Anonymous

It's sunny here today.

V.V.

It was recommended by the British Council on their site. Btw, how are your fluffy pets?

Anonymous

19:55

My fluffy pets are good :-) I'm not at home right now, but most likely they're asleep at the moment.

Anonymous

My non-fluffy pets also seem to be doing well.

Cardinal

:)

Anonymous

Although the snails are probably unhappy with the daytime warmth, so they're probably asleep waiting for the cool night air again.

Anonymous

They were very active last night :-)

Anonymous

Baby Zeta is getting bigger.

Anonymous

19:57

I should take new pictures.

V.V.

Good. It's would be great to see them.

It's noon, right?

Damkerng T.

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A: "After years of uncertainty and upheaval allowed ISIS militants"

As a learner, I would say it is similar to this pattern: After (subordinate conjunction) [X happened], {U.S has done Y}. I can parse the sentence as below: After = subordinate conjunction Subordinate clause= years of uncertainty and upheaval allowed ISIS militants to gain a foothold ...

Hmm... though syntactically, we may argue that "years of uncertainty and upheaval allowed ISIS militants to gain a foothold in the country" is a self-contained clause, it doesn't make much sense being used that way after After in the sentence, I suppose.

After years allowed it, something begins -- strange.

After years that allowed it, something begins -- sounds better, I think.

Cardinal

20:13

I thought "years of uncertainty" is the cause

Damkerng T.

Hi, @DEAD!

DEAD

Hey

Cardinal

Hi

Damkerng T.

years of uncertainty is a noun phrase.

DEAD

How did I appear here before appearing here?

Damkerng T.

20:14

@DEAD o_O

Cardinal

@DamkerngT. Yes, I mentioned that in comment

then I deleted it and answered the question

DEAD

@DamkerngT. You hellod me before I loaded LO

Cardinal

@DamkerngT. but, that "that" cannot be removed as @snailplane says:

@Joe No, bare relatives are ungrammatical when the gap is in subject position, so that parse is impossible. — snailplane 3 mins ago

Damkerng T.

Right. The original sounds like a typo. Your answer is interesting because it tries to read After years allowed that, this starts the way we read After that happened, this happens.

Cardinal

That was my paraphrase at the moment

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