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Man_From_India

00:44

@snailplane yes. Now I understand why it seemed odd. Adjective is the category and modifier is the function.

@DamkerngT. hehe

Anonymous

@Man_From_India You have to be prepared to talk to people who are using different theoretical frameworks, although most of the time people aren't using a coherent framework, so you can't assume that what they're saying is self-consistent, either.

Anonymous

So for example, relative clauses are often called adjective clauses by certain people.

Man_From_India

nods

Good morning @snailboat

While yawning now, just noticed in India there is a car Hyundai Eon :-) a small hatchback car.

@DamkerngT. partitive construction containing a fused determiner head.

But of course as you said we need to know what that it refers to.

Man_From_India

01:12

@snailplane i myself get distracted. I read Quirk et al. and at the same time CGEL. But as you know there approach is quiet different. For example in this case. In Quirk et al. his is a determiner :-)

But in CGEL it's a Genitive case of pronoun, a subclass of NP, which takes a compliment. So when I started reading Gerund-participle, I almost forgot what CGEL called about his, I still had the idea that his is a determiner.

Now when CGEL said you can use a genitive NP like his as a subject of a Gerund-participle form of verb, I had lot of problem swallowing down that idea.

But now that I know how CGEL treats his, it's now fine with me :-)

Anonymous

02:13

@Man_From_India Don't forget that Quirk et al's determiner is a part of speech, the same as Huddleston & Pullum's determinative.

Man_From_India

Yes that too.

Anonymous

Quirk et al swapped determiner and determinative, and common usage followed the swapped version, but Huddleston stuck to his original terminology in CGEL, which I feel unfortunately causes some confusion :-(

Man_From_India

And his, her etc are genitive NP, a pronoun according to CGEL, but they are determiner according to Quirk et al.

I first started reading Quirk et al. Though I can't read from chapter to chapter. That book is really great, but once I started reading CGEL, I feel it's even better :-)

Initially CGEL was hard for me, because their approach is a bit different, terminology is a bit different. At that time I was still struck with traditional grammar terminologies.

Anonymous

02:42

Yeah, it helps a lot if you read the first two chapters end-to-end before trying to use it as a reference.

Man_From_India

Right

CowperKettle

03:14

Swadee khrap!

Damkerng T.

Sawasdee khrap!

Oh, no! I'll admit that Pokemon Go is the new Tamagotchi!

This is probably the first AR game that is so widespread!

CowperKettle

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Anonymous

03:56

Word of the day: youngs

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CowperKettle

I see nothing stupid in "youngs".

But in Russian, the word "youngs" is usually used as an abridgment of "a recently married couple"

skill patrol

05:13

youngins

Noun: youngins

plural of youngin...

CowperKettle

Thanks

I seem to recall reading "youngins" in some book.

skill patrol

06:25

With few exceptions, since 1880 young men across all races and ethnicities have been more likely than young women to live in the home of their parent(s).

TIPS

i.imgur.com/hIKKEv9.mp4

@skillpatrol I'm thinking about what this proves but I don't reach any meaningful results.

skill patrol

Me too.

:-/

Man_From_India

@snailplane but everywhere it's determiner as a parts of speech, only CGEL treats that term differently.

skill patrol

07:42

I wonder what are the few exceptions to the "all races and ethnicities" part? @TIPS

And why.

TIPS

CowperKettle

08:03

> pyrogenicity: the quality or state of being pyrogenic; especially : capacity to produce fever

Man_From_India

@TIPS network is "cricket"? :-O

skill patrol

08:57

Science of King Kong

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CowperKettle

09:13

I've just read in a translator's forum that there used to be synchronous translation booths for translating from English to English in India and South Africa, during different events, several decades ago.

Bullshit or not?

Damkerng T.

09:43

@CowperKettle Probably not, but I don't know. One thing I know is some people really have to translate between different dialects/versions of English.

user208178

hello @DamkerngT. I hope you are well!

user208178

@CowperKettle this is a good site to ask: reddit.com/r/IsItBullshit

Damkerng T.

@Arrowfar Yes, thanks!

Same to you!

user208178

Damk do you use reddit?

Damkerng T.

Nope. :D

user208178

09:54

I see :)

user208178

yeah some sub sites there are good.

Man_From_India

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Q: What does "Stands the wind in that quarter" mean?

I'm reading Mark Twains, The Prince and The Pauper and have come across this sentence in chapter 23, after the woman has told the court that her pig is worth eight pence and is about to leave when an officer stops her asking to buy the pig for that amount. ...

expressions

user208178

hello @Man_From_India

Man_From_India

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Q: What does "Stands the wind in that quarter" mean?

I'm reading Mark Twains, The Prince and The Pauper and have come across this sentence in chapter 23, after the woman has told the court that her pig is worth eight pence and is about to leave when an officer stops her asking to buy the pig for that amount. ...

expressions

@Arrowfar hello arrow. How are you doing? It's been a while.

user208178

yeah I'm okay, thanks. How are you?

Man_From_India

09:56

Fit n fine :-)

So how is it in Pakistan?

user208178

Great!

user208178

well some parts are bad of course.

user208178

And India how is it these days?

user208178

@DamkerngT. so you don't chat much these days. busy with work?

Damkerng T.

@Arrowfar A little. :D

I'm yet to recover all the work I lost yesterday during the power outage.

user208178

10:01

ah. I'm sorry to hear that.

user208178

good luck.

Damkerng T.

Don't worry. I'll survive. -- Thanks!

micro buster

hi

user208178

hi

micro buster

@Arrowfar how are u

user208178

10:04

I'm good thanks, how are you?

micro buster

@Arrowfar fine till the death

@Arrowfar well i am an indian

Man_From_India

12:02

@Arrowfar Same as it was, no change.

Krishn Shweta

@Man_From_India Have some change... :D

Man_From_India

@KrishnShweta Welcome back. Whether India changes or not, your name is being changed frequently ;)

Krishn Shweta

Thanks. And hey its my second name :)

Man_From_India

But previously you had some different name. I can't remember it, though. Shweta something.

Thought it's not mandatory to set your real name here. You are free to choose any name here :-)

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Q: Meaning of "terms were too equal"

What is the meaning of the phrase below? The battle was not of long duration. The terms were too equal to leave the issue long in doubt. Can you explain the meaning of "The terms were too equal" in this context? Source: Belle Boyd in Camp and Prison, 1865, p. 252. The book is about the Ame...

meaning-in-context

Krishn Shweta

Yes, thank God you didn't remember that, it was my sir/sur name (which spelling is correct? I don't know :P)

Man_From_India

12:16

@KrishnShweta it's surname :-)

Krishn Shweta

^.^ thanks

Man_From_India

you welcome. But I think you already knew it :P

So how's the job hunting going on?

Krishn Shweta

yep.... I don't have anything to ask right now so...

Man_From_India

hehe

Krishn Shweta

JOB...... yes still in searching state ;)

Man_From_India

12:20

Didn't you face any interview yet or sit for job exam as you are a fresher?

Krishn Shweta

I have attended few written exams, and Not the HR interviews.

Few means just 4 I guess.

Man_From_India

hmmm why don't you go for small indian companies?

Gain some good experience there, and then go for bigger companies.

Krishn Shweta

yeah... but I want only in my field.

Man_From_India

electronics, right?

Krishn Shweta

yep.

ISRO or Defense is my target.

Man_From_India

12:24

There are a lot. All you have to do is to keep an eye open for any vacancies. I mean you have to look for small indian IT companies.

@KrishnShweta Oh you want a government job?

Krishn Shweta

ISRO or Defense is my target (or) ISRO are Defense is my target. which is correct

Man_From_India

Those are really good job, but be prepared to wait and struggle for a long time.

I would say - ISRO and Defense are my target.

Krishn Shweta

13:39

@Man_From_India sorry there was power cut

Man_From_India

no problem

Krishn Shweta

Actually I'm not preferring Govt jobs, I have a long term goal which I can fulfill by working there.

Man_From_India

See it depends on your long term goals and plans, and what you love to do.

Krishn Shweta

Yes dear. I want to do something which will help our people. If it worked well then might be helpful all over the world.

Man_From_India

13:54

Good luck :-)

Krishn Shweta

Thanks ^_^

Man_From_India

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A: Is it grammatically correct to say "I am (feeling) hot"? (hot vs warm)

To feel hot. To feel warm. Both of them are correct, but depending on the context you should use one and avoid the other. So it's basically context dependent. WARM is generally regarded as something that is comfortable, on the other hand HOT is something uncomfortable, when it comes ...

Krishn Shweta

Currently working harder to grab a job there

Man_From_India

hmmm i understand. You soon will get it.

Krishn Shweta

Good answer there, I can't upvote I have only 1 rep here^_^

Man_From_India

14:04

no problem :-)

Krishn Shweta

Well what's going on about you

I think my Above statement is incorrect

Man_From_India

Same thing :( no change.

Krishn Shweta

And what do we use after well

Man_From_India

with is better.

@KrishnShweta A comma, maybe ;)

Krishn Shweta

Okay... :-)

So have you enjoyed Sunday?

Man_From_India

14:12

I need to make a quick call. Will come back after some time

Krishn Shweta

have you or did you ??

Okay... I hope someoneone else will answer :-)

Man_From_India

back

@KrishnShweta tough call! Hmmm I would either go with have or use a progressive like are you enjoying Sunday?

Kinzle B

14:33

Hi, @StoneyB

Man_From_India

Good morning @StoneyB

hello @KinzleB

Kinzle B

@Man_From_India Hi, evening!

it's 10:30 pm in Beijing

Man_From_India

It's 20:10 here

CowperKettle

19:40 here

Krishn Shweta

OK @Man_From_India

Kinzle B

14:38

Bangalore, Dheli, Mumbai?

Man_From_India

@CowperKettle good evening Kettle

CowperKettle

Namaste, @Man_From_India ji!

Man_From_India

@KinzleB Bangalore, but throughout India it's the same time :-)

@CowperKettle Oh you picked up that "ji* address too :-)

CowperKettle

Yes, by reading about your Narendra Modi Ji!

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Kinzle B

@Man_From_India the same in China. :)

Man_From_India

14:40

@CowperKettle hehe what I can say about that "great" personality :D

CowperKettle

I know he's controversial. (0:

Kinzle B

@CowperKettle Where are you living? must be far away from Moscow

CowperKettle

Yekaterinburg

Yekaterinburg (Russian: Екатеринбу́рг; IPA: [jɪkətʲɪrʲɪnˈburk]), alternatively romanized as Ekaterinburg, is the fourth-largest city in Russia and the administrative center of Sverdlovsk Oblast, located in the middle of the Eurasian continent, on the border of Europe and Asia. At the 2010 Census, it had a population of 1,349,772. Yekaterinburg is the main industrial and cultural center of the Ural Federal District. Between 1924 and 1991, the city was named Sverdlovsk (Свердло́вск) after the Communist party leader Yakov Sverdlov. == History == === Imperial Russia === Vasily Tatishchev an...

30 kilometers from Europe

From the geographical boundary dividing Europe and Asia, that is.

Man_From_India

@CowperKettle I can guess what controversy you mean. But apart from that I feel that person is "all big (sometimes nonsense) talking, and no work".

CowperKettle

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Kinzle B

14:43

I thought so. it should be nearer to the Middle Asia

CowperKettle

(lurk mode on)

Kinzle B

cloak mode on :)

Man_From_India

Monday-Blues on :(

Kinzle B

Oh, don't gimme that. :(

Man_From_India

Ahhhh I can smell briyani being cooked at kitchen. I see, at least good dinner is awaiting today :-)

Kinzle B

14:51

is it spicy?

Man_From_India

No it's made at home, so it's non spicy.

> "Guys saluting" is a description of a situation, not of people. If Mr. Obama wanted to refer to people who salute, he could use "guys who salute" or "saluting guys" instead.

You can compare this to "people shouting", "music playing", "birds singing" - these are all situations. To refer to the people, music, or birds instead, you would reverse the order.

This is quoted from this answer -

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A: How to parse "have something/someone + -ing"

"Guys saluting" is a description of a situation, not of people. If Mr. Obama wanted to refer to people who salute, he could use "guys who salute" or "saluting guys" instead. You can compare this to "people shouting", "music playing", "birds singing" - these are all situations. To refer to the pe...

And I doubt that. I always thought it's the person who is doing.

I am really doubtful of that statement I quoted from the answer.

What do you think @CowperKettle and @KinzleB?

Kinzle B

@Man_From_India I think it depends on what you intend to mean.

And context as well.

StoneyB

@Man_From_India Think of a sentence with Guys saluting all the time as subject. That subject may be either a noun phrase (Guys saluting all the time are probably soldiers) or a clause acting as a nominal (Guys saluting all the time is a distraction).

(Hi, everybody!)

Kinzle B

@StoneyB Hi, are you off work now? :)

Man_From_India

@StoneyB Thanks, but the OP is asking about get guys saluting.

It must be the guy who is saluting.

StoneyB

15:06

@KinzleB Yeah, Sunday morning ...

Kinzle B

@StoneyB I thought you were retired. :)

One hour to go and it'll be Monday for me. :(

Man_From_India

@KinzleB That's the sad part of Sundays :(

StoneyB

@Man_From_India But the only difference there is the syntactic role of the clause -- it's an object rather than a subject. You've got guys saluting can be reduced to either You've got guys (who are saluting) or you've got saluting (performed by guys).

@KinzleB I wish! Never gonna happen ...

Man_From_India

@StoneyB Well, I read it this way - You have made the guys salute.

@StoneyB But yes in that context your explanation makes more sense.

StoneyB

I think not; remember, in AmE the PaPpl of get is gotten, not got, so I think it has to be possessive HAVE got, not causative HAVE gotten.

Kinzle B

15:12

@StoneyB My sister tells me one of her work colleagues just earned over 200,000 dollars of commission fees from brokering a house. Oh my god.

Man_From_India

@StoneyB nods

StoneyB

What are brokers' fees in your part of the world? --In the US it's usually around 6%, split between buyer's and seller's agents, so that would be a $3-6M+ sale price.

Not too shabby!

Kinzle B

@StoneyB 4% for a brand new luxurious house. There is usually only one middle man between a buyer and a seller.

StoneyB

$5M then. Who pays the commission?

Kinzle B

@StoneyB The buyer pays for it. That's the common practice in China. If it's a second-hand house the fee will be lower. 2-3%

@StoneyB Do you think that If Ann won’t be here on Thursday, we'd better cancel the meeting. = In case Ann isn't here on Thursday, we'd better cancel the meeting?

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Q: Understanding of a particular type of 'if... will'

The following is taken from PEU1 260.2: 'If it is true now that...' We use will with if when we are saying ‘if it is true now that. . or ‘if we know now that.. If Ann won’t be here on Thursday, we'd better cancel the meeting. If prices will really come down in a ...

conditional-constructions

Maybe the latter implies that no matter whether Ann is here on Thursday, we'd better cancel the meeting now.

The former may imply "If Ann won’t be here on Thursday, we'd better cancel the meeting. Let's ask her first."

StoneyB

15:31

The first (the if one) means "We'd better cancel the meeting because we know she won't be here." The second (the in case one) means "We'd better cancel the meeting because we don't know whether she'll be here or not."

Kinzle B

@StoneyB What kind of conditional would you call the if one? Seems if introduces a fact rather than a contingency.

StoneyB

Declerck & Reed call this a "Closed-P" conditional: P is "treated as if" it is true. This is slightly different from a "Factual-P" conditional, in which P is "known" to be true. (P is the condition, from the standard representation of conditionals as if P, Q.) I'm not sure I buy into this distinction.

Along another axis it's an "inferential" conditional: P doesn't cause Q to happen, Q is an inference from P.

Kinzle B

Non-Q?

StoneyB

@KinzleB I beg your pardon?

Kinzle B

P doesn't cause Q to happen, Q is an inference from P.?

I thought "P causes Q to happen, Q is an inference from P." @StoneyB

StoneyB

15:45

I've expressed myself badly. In an "actualization" conditional, Q is caused or triggered by P. In an "inferential" conditional, Q is inferred from P.

Kinzle B

Oh, I misread that. not your mistake. :) @StoneyB

StoneyB

"If she doesn't come, we'll cancel the meeting." --That's an actualization conditional: her non-arrival will trigger cancellation.

Kinzle B

Is "let's check out if Ann will be present Thursday" compatible with the if conditional? @StoneyB

StoneyB

That's not a conditional at all; if there has the sense whether. (A few days ago Araucaria and I were discussing whether the two ifs are the same thing, but that's a syntactic question that isn't relevant here.)

Kinzle B

Would "A few days ago Araucaria and I were discussing whether the two ifs aren't the same thing" meaning the same thing? I have always thought about whether the negation would not change the original meaning in a if/whether clause. @StoneyB

StoneyB

15:59

In fact, they have exactly the same meaning in this case, because if/whether presents the same two alternatives: either they are or they aren't the same thing. They have slightly different pragmatics: the version with aren't suggests that we started with a presupposition of (or at least a bias toward) the positive conclusion, the version with are does not imply a presupposition or bias.

The same thing is evident in questions: "Are they the same thing?" vs "Aren't they the same thing?"

Kinzle B

Ah, I see. In my rephrasing, I would be more inclined to "the two ifs aren't the same thing"/"the negation would not change the original meaning", right? @StoneyB

Maybe I got it backwards. :( @StoneyB

StoneyB

Well, Araucaria was presenting arguments against Geoffrey Pullum's claim that they are different things, and I was mostly agreeing with Araucaria . . .

CowperKettle

16:17

> In some cases, it may be possible to make the spots visible by reacting them with something which produces a coloured product. A good example of this is in chromatograms produced from amino acid mixtures. (I wonder if the second sentence is "up to scratch" stylistically)

Kinzle B

So "A few days ago Araucaria and I were discussing whether the two ifs aren't the same thing" would reflect both of your bias to the idea of "the two ifs are the same thing". I ask because in my mother tongue it's impossible to insert negation in a whether clause. :( @StoneyB

CowperKettle

> Two teens looking for Pokemon were mistaken as thieves looking for a house to rob and ended up getting shot at on Saturday.

orlandosentinel.com/news/breaking-news/…

StoneyB

@KinzleB In English whether clauses, whenever there is not an explicit contrast between two positives, negation is always implicit and may be made explicit.

CowperKettle

16:35

> TLC is a simple, quick, and inexpensive procedure that gives the chemist a quick answer as to how many components are in a mixture. (I wonder if this "are" is in the correct place)

Kinzle B

@StoneyB Hmm, what's meant by "two positives"? I see only one positive.

@CowperKettle correct place?

CowperKettle

Yes, isn't it the inverted order suitable for questions? I just wondered.

> How many components are there in a mixture?

> Where is the museum?
I know where the museum is.
I know where is the museum. (WRONG)

Kinzle B

@CowperKettle But it functions as an NP. I'm surprised that you would be surprised by it.

CowperKettle

What functions as an NP?

StoneyB

In the example, yes, there is only one positive, they are the same, which implies the negative, they are not the same, and we can make that negative explicit: "I wonder whether or not they're the same". But in other whether clauses there may be two positives: "I wonder whether Bill screwed up this report or Jack"; in that case no negative is implied (though it can be added: "... or neither").

Kinzle B

16:43

@CowperKettle google.com/…

CowperKettle

@KinzleB Thanks!

CowperKettle

16:54

> Faster flow rates can be achieved by using a pump or by using compressed gas (e.g. air, nitrogen, or argon) to push the solvent through the column (flash column chromatography) (I wonder why it is not "flush" but "flash")

Kinzle B

Flash Chromatography 101

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@CowperKettle you would only flush your toilet. :)

CowperKettle

@KinzleB not necessarily

> Flushing, a method used in hunting to scare animals out of concealed areas

Saline flush

A saline flush is the method of clearing out intravenous lines (IVs), Central Lines or Arterial Lines of any medicine or other perishable liquids so that they can keep the area of entering clean and sterile. Typically in flushing an intravenous cannula, a 5ml syringe of saline is emptied into the medication port of the cannula's connecting hub after insertion. Blood left in the cannula or hub can lead to clots forming and blocking the cannula. Flushing is required before drip is connected to ensure that the IV is still patent. Flushing is also used after medications are delivered by the medication...

Kinzle B

@CowperKettle Yeah, I heard the female practitioner saying "Continue flushing until all bubbles are expelled". :)

CowperKettle

nods

Kinzle B

17:09

What's your profession? @CowperKettle

CowperKettle

translator

Kinzle B

Tough but interesting job. :) @CowperKettle Are you a he or she?

CowperKettle

lurk mode on.. reading about pharmacology tired me out

I'm a "he".

Krishn Shweta

17:27

@KinzleB and you?

Cardinal

20:17

How do you pronounce back-to-back /θ/ and /s/, for the god sake ? :)
I have no problem with Thing, thwart, loath(e), .... . However, consider

> months

I am trying both listening and reading it !

And, of course, I mean the pronunciation in Am.Eng

I think I would be normal if I exercise it regularly,
> reading regularly for some months is one of my strengths

(I meant = it would be normal ... ) ^_^

Anonymous

21:24

@Cardinal In rapid speech, that /θ/ may disappear.

Anonymous

And that's okay.

Anonymous

In careful speech, place your tongue in position for /θ/ and then slide it back to the place of articulation for /s/.

Anonymous

But you don't actually have to pronounce the /θ/ in months.

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