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01:50
The phrase get on X's case about Y seems really odd if you think about it literally.
02:16
@snailplane I'm not sure what case stands for, even!
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Q: Tenses after Wh-question

Parthiban Muthiah1.Rina, who wearing hairband was sitting under the chair. If that is case means, the word wearing is a verb right? 2.Then, how about the phrases like Amith, who involved, The dog, which involves.. are they used same way like who is wearing or have other functions.. Can I use diffrent tenses a...

Why do their grammar books usually make them come up with something ungrammatical?!
02:33
Hi! @JMB
Welcome to the room!
03:06
FWIW, Siri (or Google's equivalent, for that matter) can't recognize my speech in my first language 100% correctly either (but they're usually good enough, though sometimes I'll get results similar to those funny Autocorrect fails. :P). -- Hah! I got it right in my sixth attempt. Here are the results: What does the word to be 5 million; What does the word really find me; What does the word vilify me; What does the word vilify me; What does the word vilify me; What does the word vilify mean. :-) — Damkerng T. 4 mins ago
Funny Siri. :D
Google voice typing beat Siri for me this time!
Ah! It's Android Nougat!
(I was hoping that It would've been something like Android Nuts! :P)
 
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05:48
Waddee, @DamkerngT.!
Morning, @V.V.!
Morning!
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Hi, is this room the right place to ask a question about the English language?
Yep, that's the right one
> Beloved, thou hast brought me many flowers
Plucked in the garden, all the summer through
And winter, and it seemed as if they grew
In this close room, nor missed the sun and showers.
Thank you ^^
05:53
Just for positive mood!
Welcome, chocolate!
Could someone tell me whether these corrections are correct?
@V.V. Thank you :)
(I am not asking for proofreading here, I just came here for a confirmation)
I just wanted to know whether or not I should trust this person's corrections
This is from the website Lang-8, by the way
"Theme of my presentation" looks odd without an article, but I'm not a native speaker.
@chocolate Um
BRB those need some work
06:05
Morning, Muhammad! Just log in onto Lang-8 and edit them. (0:
@CowperKettle I no haz account dere
@chocolate The first one should be "stands for".
JALT stands for <long quote>.
And I don't have the question, it didn't appear.
"is short for" looks okay to me
> My presentation theme was Volunteer Language Teaching.
@TIPS Oh, yes!
06:10
@CowperKettle Well, I guess it works better for stuff like "info vs. information", not acronyms.
I'm not sure what you want to say in the third sentence @Choco. Care to elaborate?
The theme of my presentation was... ← How does this sound?
@chocolate Good enough, but not as good as "My presentation theme".
@TIPS Oh okay, thank you!
@CowperKettle Certainly needs an article. Trust your intuition!
1 min ago, by TIPS
I'm not sure what you want to say in the third sentence @Choco. Care to elaborate?
@chocolate In the fourth sentence, your version is better. "When I was a university student, I attended an English conversation class."
Although IDK, but perhaps you mean "talk show"-style classes by "conversation class"?
@chocolate Again in the last one, your version is correct, and the proofread version is not.
"high school English teacher" needs an article. At least an "a".
@chocolate Almost any related question is good on chat, even proofreading.
@TIPS Yes, it's like... "I took an English conversation class when I was in college"
06:17
We keep the main site proofreading-free so it doesn't get worse than it already is.
@snumpy - well being at the forefront of a new economic european powerhouse, Brits don't have time to waste while somebody decides if they want chocolate on their skinny soy milk mock latte and so have to settle for Nescafe instant. The Americans try and make tea but they seem to confuse warming the pot with throwing it in the harbour (which incidentally they can't even spell correctly) — mgb Apr 18 '11 at 20:40
@CowperKettle ELU and its games.
@chocolate The third one? Weird.
@TIPS It's like... a class that focuses on conversation, rather than reading and writing English
Your use of "origin" doesn't seem to fit.
@chocolate I know I know. Well, you can call it whatever you like as long as your audience understands you.
Hullo @txt! Welcome to LO!
Huh? @TRomano is pingable. O_o
Yeah... maybe "the reason why I started this blah blah was.."
06:22
Also whoever the heck proofread that? "This English lessons"? SERIOUSLY?!
@chocolate This makes more sense, although some people frown upon using "reason why".
Perhaps this is what you want:
> The reason I started this course is my education environment.
To be sure, we need more context.
Oh! So, just "the reason I started blah blah was... " is more preferred?
Jan 11 at 18:10, by Damkerng T.
Context, context, context!
@chocolate Yep.
Hehe, yeah
Thanks anyway, I will rewrite it and post it again!
YW
Thank you everyone! (^.^)ノシ
06:32
Arigato to you too
07:00
@TIPS , Thank you so very much.
 
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That's a long word.
@CowperKettle it's claimed to be the longest English word!
09:55
Nice!
10:19
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Q: changing a sentence from "It is verb-ed that" to "subject is verb-ed to infinitive"

JBLThe Cambridge book let me know following transition of sentence valid except for the verb : 'remember','suggest','decide',etc. It is said that he was the manager of the company. He is said to have been the manager of the company. So the question is, how can I apply this in similar way ...

Trying to beat the hell out of the sentences.
10:50
@Cowp what does the text say, really?
11:01
@TIPS eat the flesh of capitalists
an odd phrase, never heard it
some Russian-learning enthusiast coined it, because it's highly unidiomatic
@CowperKettle Then perhaps it's Top Gear talk.
11:35
Hullo @JBL! Welcome to LO!
CC @Dam
JBL
JBL
Hello everyone!
Hullo!
How're you doing?
@JBL Actually, it's a quiet time of the day, so only I'm in this chatroom right now, I think.
JBL
JBL
Im good and it's about to have dinner
when would this room become vigorous
@JBL Do you mind if we sometimes correct your grammatical mistakes here?
@JBL When @Dam is active. Mostly, in three to four hours.
He sometimes comes a bit early too.
JBL
JBL
of Course not I have a lot of Problems in Building a sentences
sentence*
11:47
@JBL Are you using a desktop computer right now?
JBL
JBL
nope I'm on my Laptop now
Good, then. You can edit chat messages until after two minutes of them being posted.
Hover over the chat message with your mouse, then click the down arrow to the left.
JBL
JBL
ah I got it
@JBL As a first guideline, you should only capitalize the beginning of the sentences and proper names.
JBL
JBL
btw I don't know why my Computer Change my words into capitalized One randomly.
11:50
@JBL Oh-lanore? Weird.
Do you press the shift key?
JBL
JBL
Of course
Then don't press it.
JBL
JBL
Ok
Are you native speaker?
@JBL No, I'm not.
@JBL There are, however, some native speakers that use this chat regularly.
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Q: changing a sentence from "It is verb-ed that" to "subject is verb-ed to infinitive"

JBLThe Cambridge book let me know following transition of sentence valid except for the verb : 'remember','suggest','decide',etc. It is said that he was the manager of the company. He is said to have been the manager of the company. So the question is, how can I apply this in similar way ...

@JBL the problem here is that you're trying to apply what is called a rule in syntax to things that are governed by semantics.
And this isn't even a rule.
A rule would be something I can't do without.
But I, and many other English learners, never learned this so-called transition and we have little to no problems with both constructions.
12:13
Hi there
Good evening fellas
Asking random question on my girl doesn't seems to be happy with her always
Is it something that should be avoided?
I just asked her, "why the owls are endangered these days?"
And she replied, "I don't know" as usual
I just wanted to have a random funny conversation with her
JBL
JBL
Hi there. and who is her??//Umm.. The main cause I made that question is that they say some verbs(recommend, suggest,....) are impossible in the second style.
But doesn't seems to find it. Am I doing something shouldn't try with a girl or am I too crazy?
@CrazyNinja Eh.
I don't always start conversations with questions.
At least, not questions about endangered owls.
If you want to start a conversation with a question, ask something you're fairly certain interests her.
@JBL And why would that be? Because of the meaning.
Language isn't just a bunch of LEGO bricks you can adjust and see what you can make out of.
Don't force language in a corner.
Let it flow normally, as it would.
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Q: UX feature: Option to make code part of the question as sticky or fixed [preferably at bottom-right of viewport]

dkjainI would really love a feature where the user has the option to detach code part of the question or (perhaps every code block) and make it a sticky or affixed, preferably to bottom-right of viewport. This (in my opinion) really helps while trying to understand the answers in context of the code ...

12:28
@CowperKettle 'waddee khrap!
@TIPS Not very active yet. Just dropped in. :D
Obviously you become active after dropping in.
Usually, yes. :-)
 
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13:56
Just a reality check. Do you think The machine is recommended to be fixed is incorrect? — Damkerng T. 1 hour ago
I think it is a locution that few native speakers alive today would use. — TRomano 1 hour ago
Which means it's not incorrect. :-)
Oh, he edited the last comment ...
Though just the other day, in a comment to CowperKettle, I suggested "The drug is thought to act by ....." But what will fly with one verb won't fly with another. We just wouldn't state the recommendation in the passive nowadays (to be fixed). It is recommended that... — TRomano 1 hour ago
"We just wouldn't state the recommendation in the passive nowadays (to be fixed). It is recommended that..." was added later.
I personally doubt that a little. I guess it might be found in maybe congressional records. I wonder if my guess is correct. If only we could search the records easily!
14:11
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Q: CM stand for cervical mucus VS CM standS for cervical mucus

AssiduousWhat is the correct way? CM stand for cervical mucus (without s in the end of stand) CM standS for cervical mucus (with s in the end of stand)

If someone mentioned CM, I would guess they meant either Content Management or Community Manager or maybe Commercial Music. :-)
Here's a CM :D
(Sometimes they call it CF, Commercial Film.)
Not sure if these CM and CF are used only in Korea.
14:35
Does anyone have problem with corpus site today?
15:04
Contra Cambridge, can is not more informal than could. The latter expresses deference, but that is not the same thing as formality. There are situations, including semi-formal ones, where I would choose can over could because directness is preferred and could would be at least borderline inappropriate. — AlanCarmack 56 mins ago
O_O
@CowperKettle He seems like a native speaker.
But fomal or not, I'm not sure. If Cambridge says I have to agree.
I also thought could is more polite form.
15:28
Nah, who says that
Can and could are brothers of the same stratum. CC @Dam
15:51
@AlanCarmack - that's interesting, Alan. As a non-native speaker not immersed into an English-speaking community, I have to rely on "official" sources like Cambride etc. Maybe you could (or can?) post an additional answer with explanations. — CowperKettle 20 mins ago
If he explans, that may help learners.
@CowperKettle I have never seen his answers as insightful as, say, @Snail's.
16:03
I think I agree with AlanCarmack (that can is nor more informal than could).
But I also agree with the dictionary in their examples.
Can I ask you a question? indeed sounds more informal than Could I ask you a question?
@CowperKettle BTW, that page is not really part of the dictionary, I think. It's English Grammar Today.
Hmm... onebox for Amazon doesn't work this time.
@DamkerngT. But it is somehow associated with the dictinonary
I guess it's only for their online website.
I fixed my answer a bit, added "English Grammar Today" there
Good evening, @snailplane!
That English Grammar Today is I think for very beginners. And so it contains easy to use guidelines, and so there is some exceptions that the book didn't address. And also they didn't add those that require some serious analysis.
That is what I think about EGT :)
I'm trying to translate a Ukrainian song, but it's tough sledding, the first two lines is as far as I've gotten (got?) so far. (0:
And I'm not impressed by my two first lines
Songs may be much harder to translate, they require simplicity
You cannot just pluck words from rhymezone, like for a verse translation
The result will be laughable
Oh, the Red Viburnum in the Meadow (Ukrainian: Ой у лузі червона калина - Oi u luzi chervona kalyna) is a Ukrainian patriotic march, written by the composer Stepan Charnetskii in 1914. == Lyrics == == References... ==
I'd better try another song, where there's a tree burning.
And a girl is standing under that tree, for whatever psychedelic reasons.
The reason is not explained
16:20
@CowperKettle Waiting for an apple to fall so they'd rediscover some laws of nature.
Just a girl, standing under a burning tree, a usual occurrence
@TIPS That must've been Newtonia. :P
> Oh, the pine tree was burning, a girl was standing under it
> Oh, the girl was standing under it, combing her fair braids
> Oh, my braids, you have served me for long
> You shall no longer serve me, a white (bridal) veil will cover you
I cannot discern further
Too many Ukrainian words O_O
It's one of the most favorite songs in Ukraine
During the Maidan Revolution, they re-made the song into "The rubber tyre was burning"
16:24
But why did the tree have to be burning?
@DamkerngT. That's a total mystery.
Ahh... not a traditional thing to do before a wedding, I guess, then.
> "It is well sometimes to half understand a poem in the same manner that we half understand the world." (G.K.Chesterton).
@DamkerngT. The burning tree might symbolize the evanescence of everything. There was a girl, and now she'll be a married woman.
There was a tree, and it will burn to ashes
> A barrel was burning, a girl was sitting beside it
^_^
> The girl was sitting beside it, warming her hands
> Oh, my hands, [un-discernible Ukrainian]
In Thailand they must be also recrafting their songs to the moment
I remember reading that the austronaut Leonov used to sing a bit of a Ukrainian song to Korolyov, who headed to Russian space program, to hint that he wants to fly into space.
The song went like "I'm looking at the sky and wandering: why am I not a falcon, why cannot I fly"
When first into space, he started singing that again on the intercom, and anothes astronaut interrupted, "Falcon is my callsign, yours is Golden Eagle".
Indeed, he was assigned that callsign. (0:
I agreed with Alan at first (and upvoted his comment), but after thinking some more, here's what I think. Could I is softer than Can I, hence more deferential and more polite, which is not the same as more formal, but that makes it more appropriate in a situation where you and the other person don't know each other—the kind of situation where you resort to greater formality. Saying Can I in that situation is an invitation to be less formal. The more formal the situation, the more that Can I means "Am I able to" rather than "Will you permit me to". … — Ben Kovitz 6 mins ago
16:43
@CowperKettle Great comment
Well, it basically repeats the answers I read in the ELU discussion over yonder
… For example, if you say "Can I get a glass of water?" to a waitress, that can be heard as suggesting that the staff is unable to do their jobs, especially if you say it after you've been waiting a long time for service. "Could I get a glass of water?" doesn't invite that interpretation. (Intonation can change everything, of course, but that's another topic.) On the other hand, if you are asking about rules, Can I is formal and clear and Could I is hazy or informal; e.g. "Can I enter the building after 5:00?" But that's not a request. So, I'd say your answer is fine as-is. — Ben Kovitz 5 mins ago
He should format the comments into an addon answer
17:04
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Q: Scurry, scamping(?)

Joe KimWhen a little boy is tapping lightly in front of a washroom because he wants to pee but couldn't get in as it is occupied already. What words are used to express the image of the feet tapping: he is scamping or scurring?

@TIPS That's quite simple, even I understand it.
But the dog picture above it is cryptic to me
@CowperKettle Ja
17:26
I guess sometimes people confuse politeness with formality.
Then again, the two are sometimes not cut and dried.
Can I enter the building after 5:00? -- nice example!
17:38
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A: Words for organizing paragraphs

PeterIf you wanted to be more formal you could use Firstly, secondly, thirdly,... finally. which I use regardless of formality. Since you seem to want to enumerate your paragraphs, you might use In the first case, ... In the second case, ... In the third case, ... Finally, ...

It's interesting that he suggests in the first case
I'm more familiar with in the first place.
Anonymous
@chocolate Yikes!
Anonymous
Those are some interesting "corrections" :-)
@snailplane Lang-8 in, Lang-8 out. :P
Anonymous
@DamkerngT. Lang-8 on, Lang-8 off.
Hehe!
I guess it's unavoidable in crowdsourcing to have varying qualities as the result.
BTW, good morning!
Anonymous
17:52
@DamkerngT. Yeah, I guess we can see the same thing here on ELL!
Anonymous
Good morning :-)
@snailplane Indeed!
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Q: How can I train myself to hear the difference between C (/'si:/) and Z (/'zi:/)?

HeinziWhen you hear Americans spell their names, C is pronounced as /'si:/, and Z is pronounced as /'zi:/. To me, both sound the same. What can I do to hear a difference? In English language classes, this issue never came up, because we were taught British English, where Z is pronounced as /ˈzɛd/....

Hah! I didn't expect anything like that from a German speaker!
I thought /s/ and /z/ would be easy for them.
> I tried to find words in my native language (Austrian German) using /s/ and /z/, but, apparently, /z/ is voiceless in the southern German variants, so that doesn't help either.
Ahh
Hmm... is Frankfurt in the south?
Not very south, it seems.
Anonymous
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Q: Is Japanese that primitive?

Oskar K.I've been learning japanese for a while as well as other languages and I keep thinking that it's primitive because everything is dropped out and the number of words is less than in other languages such as English and especially Russian. I think it's made for transmitting information in a very sim...

Anonymous
frown
@snailplane Now that we can insult, "is your way of thinking that primitive?"
Actually, wait.
18:00
> I've been learning japanese for a while
More primitive languages are perhaps better.
How is this about learning Japanese?!
A while can range widely, from 2 weeks to 20 years
Oh, but the site is "Japanese Language", so maybe it's on topic.
Suppose that English is their L1. English can be very primitive, too!
"Hello, Jane. Me Tarzan. You Jane, no?"
"Yeah. Me Jane. You Tarzan. Nice meet you!"
All languages might be equally expressive.
They just use different means.
A great answer there
18:03
Also, viewing English from a language that has so many words for "I" (nihonshock.com/2009/11/the-many-ways-to-say-i), English could be thought of as primitive in this respect too.
nods
> "Sound of waves" in English, while an entertaining story, comes out rather flat compared to the language Mishima used. Comparing the two side by side, a Japanese person might remark, "English lacks the depth of expression we're capable of in Japanese."
Hey, I would highlight that same paragraph as well!
I don't remember reading it though (0:
> They point to different perspectives about what the various languages deem is important to communicate to others. These are not short-comings in the expressibility of the languages.
This part is very good, too.
Some Russian books are translated well into English, like "Fathers and Sons"
I had real pleasure reading it in English
18:11
A good translation is quite precious.
I think it'd be rare that a translation is homomorphic.
(For the lack of words, I used an engineering term. :)
Homophobic?
In abstract algebra, a homomorphism is a structure-preserving map between two algebraic structures (such as groups, rings, or vector spaces). The word homomorphism comes from the ancient Greek language: ὁμός (homos) meaning "same" and μορφή (morphe) meaning "form" or "shape". Isomorphisms, automorphisms, and endomorphisms are special types of homomorphisms. == Definition and illustration == === Definition === A homomorphism is a map that preserves selected structure between two algebraic structures, with the structure to be preserved being given by the naming of the homomorphism. Partic...
No! Not homophobic, homomorphic!
Ah, some abstruse term. (0:
The additional answer that mentions a determiner explains this. The determiner of a noun, which is a type of adjective, always comes first, then adjectives that modify the noun, then the noun. So in no big deal, no is the determiner of (and modifies) deal, not big. Think of "no" as in the same category of words as articles. — LawrenceC 57 mins ago
Another instance of wrong information
nods
Or at least somewhat misleading.
(I don't know how to make a good counter-argument, though.)
18:21
His answer too. Unfortunately the most voted answer of the question :-)
It's an antonym to "sweet young tyrant". — CowperKettle 30 secs ago
@DamkerngT. "has one hole"?
@TIPS Um, I don't think so! LOL!
To put it concisely, a homomorphic transformation is lossless.
lassloose
losslass
18:23
lassless
For example, think of data compression. A JPEG file is lossy (i.e. we can't get all the original pixels back by just looking at the data in a JPEG file). But some other formats, like, PNG, are lossless.
Oh, or FLAC.
I think.
He means say for *a big deal. "A" modifies "deal" not "big". So if according to him does "a deal" and "a big deal" mean the same? What that "big" is doing there?
Something that modifies deal, perhaps.
But it can be confusing because if no big deal is okay, why isn't no enough memory?
18:31
@DamkerngT. Maybe it does work, in some weird situation.
That's different
I left an answer there.
No [big deal]. [not enough] memory.
@Man_From_India Then why not "No [enough memory]"?
That's a good question.
not as an adverb can modify a determiner.
BRB dinner
That's why [not enough]. That im turn occur in the modifier position of a NP structure.
19:11
A bit of light reading before bed:
Homicidal sleepwalking, also known as homicidal somnambulism or sleepwalking murder, is the act of killing someone during an episode of sleepwalking. In a few cases, sleepwalkers kill people, usually a family member, during their sleepwalking act. There have been several rare cases in which an alleged act of homicide has occurred, and the prime suspect may have committed the act while sleepwalking. The veracity of recorded cases is disputed. About 68 cases had been reported in literature up to the year 2005. == Notable Cases == === Boshears case === Sergeant Willis Boshears was a US ser...
Sweet dreams.
@Færd Do you sleepwalk?
19:48
> Lo, thus, by day my limbs, by night my mind,
For thee, and for myself, no quiet find.
20:05
Why can't a man marry his widow's sister?
?
Are there laws against this?
It's a riddle. :D
Ah
G'night!
Good night!
Anonymous
20:30
@DamkerngT. I know! Zombie rights!
Anonymous
Posthumous marriage (or necrogamy) is a marriage in which one of the participating members is deceased. It is legal in France and similar forms are practiced in Sudan and China. Since World War I, France has had hundreds of requests each year, of which many have been accepted. == France == === Origins === During World War I, a few women were married by use of proxy to soldiers that had died weeks earlier. This practice came to be called posthumous marriage. Posthumous marriage for civilians originated in the 1950s, when a dam broke and killed 400 people in Fréjus, France, including a ma...
Yay! You're right! :D
Anonymous
Word of the day: necrogamy
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Haha!
I have another (non-serious) puzzle. Would you like to try?
Anonymous
Okay, let's hear it :-)
20:37
It's a picture, actually. :D
user image
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What's the missing number?
Anonymous
87
applauds!
You're very good at this!
Anonymous
Thanks :-)
Anonymous
In return, I present:
20:40
Haha! That's very cool!
Thanks!
 
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Anonymous
22:17
The Hot Network Questions list really is a good source of entertainment.
Anonymous
@OwenVersteeg DO NOT TRY THE ABSOLUTELY CRAZY ONES. — David Richerby yesterday
22:36
@DamkerngT. Sadly the obviously upside down 8's kinda give it away.
@TIPS :D
@snailplane Hehe!
I see that I either easily solve puzzles or can't even figure out what to do. No middle grounds.
That could be dangerous!
@TIPS BTW, that's not very dangerous. :)
It is dangerous.
What if I got hit by a riddle master?
LOL
Aww, someone just left!
22:45
Riddle me this:
Anonymous
@TIPS Is that like where you
@snailplane yes.
23:04
Where was the riddle gone?!
Anonymous
@DamkerngT. I solved it :-)
Oh!
o_O
Why wasn't the Riddler in Nolan's Dark Knight?
Anonymous
Is this another riddle?
Maybe, maybe not. :-)
But a possible answer is, the Riddler ain't got Nolan. :D

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